It was bad before, but his celebration after his goal against Man U is what really turned most of the fan base against him. He says it was geared toward the media, however a lot of fans took it as a shot at them.
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It was bad before, but his celebration after his goal against Man U is what really turned most of the fan base against him. He says it was geared toward the media, however a lot of fans took it as a shot at them.
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You're a toxic POS that throws his toys out when you don't get your own way. You don't work with the club, you make everyone feel uncomfortable, that it is everyone's fault but your own, when things don't go well. If you actually developed players properly, instead of discarding them when they phuck up, maybe just maybe, the people who run the clubs, may give you a longer leash. Instead of acting like a coli poster with your hot takes.
Klopp been given the time, because he is a builder and his style takes a while to implement and needs the right pieces. Which will come crashing down at some point because of the intensity required, can only last for maybe a couple of seasons, before burn out unless you rotate out the players regularly, which he doesn't really do. But that's a conversation for another time. While everyone knows you're out of the door half way thru season 3. That's why Pep, Klopp and others are given more freedom, because people expect them to see out here contracts, you cannot even see out a season past year 2.
Mourinho still a good coach tho
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Yeah, was always wondering how Dortmund went from UCL finalists to Europa League bottlers so damn fast, Klopp left with the quicknessYou're a toxic POS that throws his toys out when you don't get your own way. You don't work with the club, you make everyone feel uncomfortable, that it is everyone's fault but your own, when things don't go well. If you actually developed players properly, instead of discarding them when they phuck up, maybe just maybe, the people who run the clubs, may give you a longer leash. Instead of acting like a coli poster with your hot takes.
Klopp been given the time, because he is a builder and his style takes a while to implement and needs the right pieces. Which will come crashing down at some point because of the intensity required, can only last for maybe a couple of seasons, before burn out unless you rotate out the players regularly, which he doesn't really do. But that's a conversation for another time.
Mourinho still a good coach tho
It's just that the same United fans like me who were miserable during the Mou's reign now are looking at the past 3 years fondly because Ole was only able to get somehting out of these clowns for 3 months before they broke down....hell, some of them doubted the Moyes sacking after LVG lost his first game against Swansea
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Yeah, was always wondering how Dortmund went from UCL finalists to Europa League bottlers so damn fast, Klopp left with the quickness
It's just that the same United fans like me who were miserable during the Mou's reign now are looking at the past 3 years fondly because Ole was only able to get somehting out of these clowns for 3 months before they broke down....hell, some of them doubted the Moyes sacking after LVG lost his first game against Swansea
Problem is apart from Poch who else is there? And what's to say Poch was going to come to United in the summer, anyway?. After all he now has a shiny new toy to play with, and Poch seems to be one of those loyal types, unless Levy was to gut the squad to pay for the stadium in double quick time.
United had the right guy in LVG, but it was at the wrong stage of his career. LVG fits in with Busby and Fergie philosophy of using the teams academy and having a preference of buying players to develop, as oppose to having ready made players, who are basically at their maximum levels and no room to grow (Yeah he sign Bastian, terrible signing because he was broken, but I understand for his philosophy reasons)
You're a toxic POS that throws his toys out when you don't get your own way. You don't work with the club, you make everyone feel uncomfortable, that it is everyone's fault but your own, when things don't go well. If you actually developed players properly, instead of discarding them when they phuck up, maybe just maybe, the people who run the clubs, may give you a longer leash. Instead of acting like a coli poster with your hot takes.
Klopp been given the time, because he is a builder and his style takes a while to implement and needs the right pieces. Which will come crashing down at some point because of the intensity required, can only last for maybe a couple of seasons, before burn out unless you rotate out the players regularly, which he doesn't really do. But that's a conversation for another time. While everyone knows you're out of the door half way thru season 3. That's why Pep, Klopp and others are given more freedom, because people expect them to see out here contracts, you cannot even see out a season past year 2.
Mourinho still a good coach tho
Mourinho has always resented being dictated to by a suit, he's an old school manager who wants complete control over transfers like Ferguson had and Wenger had until the stadium move, and Guardiola has today. He fell out with Chelsea because the director of football went and bought Shevchenko and forced his selection in the team. He hated how Perez interfered with the team and transfers at Real Madrid. And he hated Woodward's role at United.
So Mourinho is consistent about wanting one thing, complete backing from the club on transfers and no interference from the suits. And he was very successful at Chelsea and Real Madrid despite not getting what he wanted. But obviously he doesn't want to get involved in that situation again in his career
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Mourinho is in the wrong business then, because he has never has and never will have control over transfers. The game at the elite level, needs a coach to coach and not worried about monetary matters. This whole managers do the transfers is a British thing, which is an outdated concept that should of been bushed, a long time ago. But because Fergie and Wenger did it, he felt he should have it. But even they got undermined by the suits plenty of times. But with Wenger and Fergie they were also planning for tomorrow, Mourinho only plans for today, you cannot give someone with that outlook, freedom to spend stupid money. Mourinho would of bought old players with no value. Look at Matic
. Or all of Mendes players, good, bad or indifferent. Mourinho has been given players that he wants at the start, at all his clubs, but he falls in and out of love with them too much or picks fights with senior players with tenure, barring Inter.The director of football didn't buy Sheva that was on Roman.
Barring D Diddy, that Chelsea squad was Ranieri's, Roman's and Peter Kenyon's
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Forgot Chelsea brought ShevchenkoMourinho is in the wrong business then, because he has never had control over transfers, this whole managers do the transfers is a British thing. Which is an outdated concept that should of been bushed, a long time ago. But because Fergie and Wenger did it, he felt he should have it. But even they got undermined by the suits plenty of times. But with Wenger and Fergie they were also planning for tomorrow, Mourinho only plans for today, you cannot give someone with that outlook, freedom to spend money. Mourinho would of bought old players with no value. Look at Matic
The director of football didn't buy Sheva that was on Roman.
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Mourinho is in the wrong business then, because he has never has and never will have control over transfers. The game at the elite level, needs a coach to coach and not worried about monetary matters. This whole managers do the transfers is a British thing, which is an outdated concept that should of been bushed, a long time ago. But because Fergie and Wenger did it, he felt he should have it. But even they got undermined by the suits plenty of times. But with Wenger and Fergie they were also planning for tomorrow, Mourinho only plans for today, you cannot give someone with that outlook, freedom to spend stupid money. Mourinho would of bought old players with no value. Look at Matic
The director of football didn't buy Sheva that was on Roman.
Barring D Diddy, that Chelsea squad was Ranieri's, Roman's and Peter Kenyon's
It's fair enough to say football doesn't work like that anymore but what's wrong if someone goes on record saying what working conditions they want to have at their next job? Football doesn't have to accommodate for Mourinho, he only wants the structure of his next employer to match his expectations.
And it's also fair enough to bring up transfers of his that didn't work out, but loads of managers and even technical directors have made terrible moves: Ferguson with Kleberson, Veron, Forlan, and alienating guys like Beckham and Stam; Guardiola paying a fortune AND giving up Eto'o for Ibrahimovic (arguably the WOAT transfer), and spending 25 mill on the rubbish Ukranian defender with a name I can't spell (Chyrgynski or something); Abramovich/Chelsea suits buying Shevchenko and Torres; Real Madrid buying Kaka and selling Robben and Sneijder for peanuts. The list goes on. Nobody is 100% successful with transfers and even the best only get it right about half the time. There's no denying Mourinho signed some garbage but that doesn't convince me that he shouldn't direct a club's transfer policy, because everyone fukks up with transfers. They're always a gamble.
Drogba wasn't the only one. The Portuguese players were all him too, Carvalho and Ferreira. Essien and Ashley Cole as well. Take out Cech, Terry, Makelele, Lampard and Joe Cole because they were signed before he got the job, and that's 5 out of the remaining 6 places in Chelsea's strongest line up throughout the whole 2004-12 era who he personally wanted at the club and personally pushed through their transfers.
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You're missing the point. The concept that the coach/manager oversees everything at the elite level clubs doesn't work anymore. The game at that level is too big for one man to do everything, it's a business, not just a simple sport. Even if Mourinho was to be given what he wants, you have to rely on relationships, at the board level, there is no escaping that. Fergie had Edwards, Kenyon, Gill. Wenger had Dein. This is the something that Mourinho cannot even do now, what is he going to be like, when he does have the power, throw a hissy fit and threaten to quit because their aren't funds available, because he went over budget in the last window. Mourinho has shown throughout his career, he only cares about experienced players, which will come at a higher cost both the fee and salary. Like I said, you have to plan for tomorrow, not just today and nothing in Mourinho career has shown he is capable of that.
Guardiola was never in charge of transfers at Barca nor at City. Obviously he has some say because he previously worked with the CEO before at Barca and was a teammate of Txiki the DoF. But he doesn't have overall control, he will recommend certain players and give his opinion on others scouted that they bring to him, but Pep isn't making the transfers. If Pep was doing the transfers why didn't they get Sanchez over the line? Why not to decide to get into a bidding war with United for Fred? Do you really think Pep got time to sort all of those things out.
As for Eto'o, Barca wanted him gone even before Pep coached the senior team.
