The Official FIFA World Cup Thread - QATAR 2022

WHO WILL WIN?


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Steelo14

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Wildest stat no one talking about is Messi kicking 4 penalties already this World Cup when the other 31 teams combined only have like 11.
They're doing everything to crown him. Nothing against his talent but I think Messi benefitted immensely from the fact that his career peaked right at the height of Social Media. With new ways of promoting/marketing that everyone bought into. They are insanely overmarketed and hyped.
 

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Coli Poster - "Argentina is racist, so I'm supporting France :ehh:"

Haitians, Senegalese, folks from the Ivory Coast, Black People in fukking France, etc. - :gucci:
You're right it does sound contradictory :mjlol:




However, I think people are considering that the team has a lot of second-generation players of African origin while Afro-Argentines were eradicated after all their contributions to that culture were appropriated. A moral victory of sorts. Plus its hilarious to watch the Ultra right wingers in france squirm on social media when expressing support for the team.
 

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They're doing everything to crown him. Nothing against his talent but I think Messi benefitted immensely from the fact that his career peaked right at the height of Social Media. With new ways of promoting/marketing that everyone bought into. They are insanely overmarketed and hyped.
Do you feel that same way about LeBron James?
 

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Only questionable one was against Poland, and even then, the keeper admitted he hit Messi in the head.
For me the one against poland shouldn't have been given, but if you watch enough football, you would know that penalties can often be stonewall or borderline, even with VAR, so the fact that Argentine have had four penalty calls is neither here nor there to me, as the onle one I thought was controversial was actually missed by Messi.
 

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Crazier things have happened but let’s assume France beats Morocco - as most people are.

I don’t see how Argentina pulls it off against France. If they somehow do, I can already visualize the Argentinian smugness :hhh:
I'm sorry but I honestly think Morocco is going to be a tougher competition for France. they need to find a way to score against Morocco before penalty kicks or else they are done. Morocco will be compact and France don't have Pogba to pass a thorough ball against that defense. France will easily score goals against Argentina. but then again, they've conceded a goal in every match to Arg will most likely score.
 

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How is that a wild stat?


The average team gets a penalty once every 10 games. Argentina gets a penalty almost every game. The fact that their penalty rate is 700% above the norm is wild.

And you can't say, "it's because of Messi" when Messi didn't draw any of those. 3 of them were based on fouls on other players and the fourth was the BS "head shot" call where you can hardly even see any contact on the video and certainly not enough to justify a penalty shot.


It's silly to talk about "he scores a goal almost every game!" when the majority of those goals are just shooting other people's drawn penalties. On the field he's scored two goals against two of Argentina's two weakest opponents and that's it. Poland, Netherlands, Croatia, and the loss against Saudi Arabia he had 0 on-field goals combined.
 

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They're doing everything to crown him. Nothing against his talent but I think Messi benefitted immensely from the fact that his career peaked right at the height of Social Media. With new ways of promoting/marketing that everyone bought into. They are insanely overmarketed and hyped.
I don’t see how that’s the case.

In context, they lost the first game to Saudi Arabia (biggest upset in World Cup history btw) which made the next two games. Mexico match had no controversy, but Argentina did struggle in the 1st half. Poland, Argentina got a questionable penalty, but Messi missed anyways.

Holland match was the only controversial one, but if they were “doing everything to crown” Messi, I’m not sure the ref would’ve added 10 minutes of additional time, and have Argentina’s fate be decided on penalty kicks.

Croatia was a pretty clean match overall. Croatia didn’t look like they’d score until Argentina was 3-0.
 

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The average team gets a penalty once every 10 games. Argentina gets a penalty almost every game. The fact that their penalty rate is 700% above the norm is wild.

And you can't say, "it's because of Messi" when Messi didn't draw any of those. 3 of them were based on fouls on other players and the fourth was the BS "head shot" call where you can hardly even see any contact on the video and certainly not enough to justify a penalty shot.


It's silly to talk about "he scores a goal almost every game!" when the majority of those goals are just shooting other people's drawn penalties. On the field he's scored two goals against two of Argentina's two weakest opponents and that's it. Poland, Netherlands, Croatia, and the loss against Saudi Arabia he had 0 on-field goals combined.

And this why stats are irrelevant sometimes. He also has two of the assists of the tournament against Netherlands and Croatia and been serving chances on a platter for team mates all tournament (which most have been missed)

not sure what your point is. If you’ve watched the Argentina games then you know, the team as a whole is what keeps the team competitive and organised but it’s mostly Messi’s moments of brilliance that have got the goals so they can win games
 

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The average team gets a penalty once every 10 games. Argentina gets a penalty almost every game. The fact that their penalty rate is 700% above the norm is wild.

And you can't say, "it's because of Messi" when Messi didn't draw any of those. 3 of them were based on fouls on other players and the fourth was the BS "head shot" call where you can hardly even see any contact on the video and certainly not enough to justify a penalty shot.


It's silly to talk about "he scores a goal almost every game!" when the majority of those goals are just shooting other people's drawn penalties. On the field he's scored two goals against two of Argentina's two weakest opponents and that's it. Poland, Netherlands, Croatia, and the loss against Saudi Arabia he had 0 on-field goals combined.
Did you look at the penalties before you posted this or did you just bring stats?

Of the Argentina penalties in the world cup, only the one where Messi was fouled wasn't a stonewall penalty, and funny enough he missed that one. If you go through the thread you have people on here clearly saying it wasn't a penalty as well, and justice was served when he missed.

If you want to take penalties out of the equation and look at Messi's stats, they are still ridiculous, so I simply don't see the point of this line people are going down.

So what correlation are you trying to show? That Argentina are getting deserved penalties? While other teams aren't? What have been the penalty box incidents of the other teams?

Again, the goal a game stat may matter to others but I don't think I ever argued it. That said, you have said in this thread that you have played football. To have played football, then to casually say he is benefitting from the work of others, when you should know the pressure that taking a penalty entails is surprising. Look at Harry Kane.

What I have argued is that his influence on the games in this world cup and his moments of magic are undeniable, and that's why Argentina is in the World Cup finals.
 
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Did you look at the penalties before you posted this or did you just bring stats?

Of the Argentina penalties in the world cup, only the one were Messi was fouled wasn't a stonewall penalty, and funny enough he missed that one. If you go through the thread you have people on here clearly saying it wasn't a penalty as well, and justice was served when he missed.

If you want to take penalties out of the equation and look at Messi's stats, they are still ridiculous, so I simply don't see the point of this line people are going down.

So what correlation are you trying to show? That Argentina are getting deserved penalties? While other teams aren't? What have been the penalty box incidents of the other teams?

Again, the goal a game stat may matter to others but I don't think I ever argued it. That said, you have said in this thread that you have played football. To have played football, then to casually say he is benefitting from the work of others, when you should know the pressure that taking a penalty entails is surprising. Look at Harry Kane.

What I have argued is that his influence on the games in this world cup and his moments of magic are undeniable, and that's why Argentina is in the World Cup finals.

Breh, crazy shyt is, the teams weren’t even complaining about the penalties, besides one I think. But Coli brehs from afar think they know more than those on the pitch :dead:

If Argentina wins, I hope it’s from a hat trick of Messi penalties :ohlawd:
 
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