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[Jello Biafra]

Positioned by writers, correct? Ain't that the point?

If a buncha Osborn-stans wanted to follow Bendis lead after his late '00s run and kept Osborne positioned as the center of Marvel earth, then in 2028 some young 10yr TheGodlingJr. will be talking about Osborne the same way you were talking about Doom in 2008, both citing a 20 yr run of writer decisions for your perceived normalcy lol.

i.e. That normalcy will always evolve, depending on whose behind the scenes like a writer, editorial, or now Disney and MCU. Classic example spanning 56 years is Gwen or MJ as the center of Peter's world. Depending on your DOB, one will resonate strongly and the other may feel blasphemous

The difference is that with Doom it was multiple years of various writers all using him outside of the FF book and making him be a major villain each time while in the case of Osborn it was Bendis pushing a favorite character and using his editorial power to make it a company wide mandate that Osborn be the #1 villain in the MU.
Doom's placement was organic.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Son, stop fooling yourself.

I know right? I love Count Nefaria but I would never count Luchino as ever being one of Marvel's top big bads.

 

[Mr. Negative]

sir at this point in time I think Carol Danver is thought as being the best team leader within the marvel comics universe outside of it

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carol.

 

[Mr. Negative]

Son, stop fooling yourself.

I know right? I love Count Nefaria but I would never count Luchino as ever being one of Marvel's top big bads.

I could've poked holes in it, but there's no point bothering when the counter-point is "Cause God (the writers) did it "

 

[Masenko]

It's a great question and can be applied to characters like captain America as well.

Why is he considered the best leader (or whatever) in marvel?

Well there's the in-story explanation with all the platitudes and superlatives about him.

Then there's the real industry answer
:Kaep_pls:

Think of it like asking why HHH is considered the king of kings in the WWE. Before I could answer, I'd have to ask you is wrestling still real to you

Well from what I gather from the MCU Avengers anyway is that Cap seems like the most adult one in the group (maybe in the universe). Tony done stupid shyt like create Ultron, Bruce has has Hulk in his DNA and Thor is okay in terms of being an adult I guess, probably not as much as Cap.

and we all know why HHH is the 'King of Kings', dude put his dikkhead in all the right places

 

[MenacingMonk]

I know right? I love Count Nefaria but I would never count Luchino as ever being one of Marvel's top big bads.

I could've poked holes in it, but there's no point bothering when the counter-point is "Cause God (the writers) did it "

I’ve been reading comics for 6 years and I NEVER heard of dude until he was brought up here a few days ago.

Meanwhile, I’ve came across those other characters plenty of times.

 

[John Reena]

We always celebrate Hickman’s run on the Avengers/FF4.

BUT

We gotta also give props to Kurt Busiek’s run. His run was basically an encyclopedia of the ENTIRE Marvel Universe. His run pretty much got me up to speed with Marvel Comics in general. He gave each n every Avenger a personality. If he was using a character they just didn’t become a background fixture. Hawkeye was tha hot head rebel, Cap was the strong confident leader, Thor was the brash fearless warrior, Scarlet Witch was the shy, naive chick, Carol Danvers was a recovering alcoholic not sure of herself, Iron Man was the smart ass know it all. Busiek also uses the BEST and biggest villains: Ultron, Morgan Le Fey, Kang, Juggernaut and the rest of the avatars of destruction, Count Nefaria, Zemo, Wrecking Crew, etc.,

 

[Jello Biafra]

We always celebrate Hickman’s run on the Avengers/FF4.

BUT

We gotta also give props to Kurt Busiek’s run. His run was basically an encyclopedia of the ENTIRE Marvel Universe. His run pretty much got me up to speed with Marvel Comics in general. He gave each n every Avenger a personality. If he was using a character they just didn’t become a background fixture. Hawkeye was tha hot head rebel, Cap was the strong confident leader, Thor was the brash fearless warrior, Scarlet Witch was the shy, naive chick, Carol Danvers was a recovering alcoholic not sure of herself, Iron Man was the smart ass know it all. Busiek also uses the BEST and biggest villains: Ultron, Morgan Le Fey, Kang, Juggernaut and the rest of the avatars of destruction, Count Nefaria, Zemo, Wrecking Crew, etc.,

I love that Busiek/Perez Avengers run.

One of the things I really appreaciated was Busiek bringing back one of my favorite C-list villains in Moses Magnum and establishining him as an Avengers level threat. Too bad no one picked up that ball with the character and ran with it.

I hated the Perez redesign of the character though. Dude looked much cooler in his OG look back when he was terrorizing Luke Cage and putting the beats on the X-men.

 

[Primetime]

SHEEEEEEEEEIT!
Sabertooth is proving hes a pretty good leader right now!
:meloohhh:

And Warpath doubted him.


bytchass hater.

Breh, there's like 10 x-men books out and i dunno which one is a team book and which one is a mini series

Havok leader, Kitty leader, Jean leader, Sabertooth lader, one of them displaced x-men leader, psylocke leader? Everybody gets to be leader

We ranking them leadership skills?

 

[Primetime]

sir at this point in time I think Carol Danver is thought as being the best team leader within the marvel comics universe outside of it

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I... think you're correct

I mean, she does outrank Steve Rogers, doesn't she? Yea, that's the reason

 

[BXKingPin82]

Breh, there's like 10 x-men books out and i dunno which one is a team book and which one is a mini series

Havok leader, Kitty leader, Jean leader, Sabertooth lader, one of them displaced x-men leader, psylocke leader? Everybody gets to be leader

We ranking them leadership skills?

X-Men shyt be all over the place!

 

[Primetime]

Son, stop fooling yourself.

I know right? I love Count Nefaria but I would never count Luchino as ever being one of Marvel's top big bads.

Relax nyggas. Others were just propping up Count Nefaria as a villain that required full Avenger squads to take down back in the day and not what Bendis had Carol k.o. in 2 mins in NA '08, so i included him to point out that past villains have been given respect going back to inception, but writers choose who they want to run with. I'd have subbed him out with Mole Man and the Supremacists for full fukkery if i knew that's the rabbithole to be whined about.

I could've poked holes in it, but there's no point bothering when the counter-point is "Cause God (the writers) did it "

Nah actually you couldn't , bc i wasn't giving a counter point... that was the point i told the breh who asked the question, before the triggered caping began for Doom like i dissed him. Like any of that extra shyt refutes the common sense ish i was telling the breh and relating it to wrestling for comedic effect lol


"God" writers had Norman Osborne in a top position. They have Carol as GOAT avenger. Writers have their favorites and mandates, whooptie doo

 

[Primetime]

X-Men shyt be all over the place!

One Wolverine dying

Another Wolverine coming back

X-Men being exterminated

X-Men coming back

X-men getting married

X-men not getting married?

Jean byke

Cyke dead

Storm is vampire

Storm is Thor

Vampire Storm dead

Thor Storm no longer Thor

3 other Jeans running around

Psylock not asian


Sounds pretty cohesive to me

 

[Jx2]

Wolverine coming back

Another Wolverine dying

X-Men being exterminated

X-men getting married

X-men not getting married?

Jean byke

Cyke dead

Storm is vampire

Storm is Thor

Vampire Storm died

Thor Storm no longer Thor

3 other Jeans running around

Psylock not asian


Sounds pretty cohesive to me

Yes. Yes indeed 96 Bulls type cohesiveness

 

[MenacingMonk]

Relax nyggas. Others were just propping up Count Nefaria as a villain that required full Avenger squads to take down back in the day and not what Bendis had Carol k.o. in 2 mins in NA '08, so i included him to point out that past villains have been given respect going back to inception, but writers choose who they want to run with. I'd have subbed him out with Mole Man and the Supremacists for full fukkery if i knew that's the rabbithole to be whined about.

No ones whining. It’s just that you’re delusional for including him with that roster, so it had to be pointed out.

Like I said, I never even heard of dude until a few days back, and I’ve read thousands of comics. IF dude was an A lister before, Dude is C level now.