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[Bleed The Freak]

For the most part, I don't fukk with him. His a fukkin goof...


But I'd be lying if I wasn't staring at the TV like "Talk that shyt nikka!!", when he was snappin' on Anderson.

Man not only did he popped dirty, his shyt wasn't just like a supplement or a pill or a elevated level of some sort

This dude was injecting himself like four different steroids, TWICE!

Then when you put Daniel he came completely out of shape

 

[UpAndComing]

Man... after Vitali beat the unholiness outta him I thought he would slow down the antics. Seem like he turned the shyt up after that.

Shout out to Big Baby Miller too.


@UpAndComing BROOKLYN STYLE SON!!!!

Let's go champ!!!

 

[Black_Jesus]

thats the thing. There is no prestige in MMA so UFC can become the defect face of the sport. Boxing in particular WBC and WBA belts have an actual prestige and history tied to World history thus being a champ puts you in an actual fraternity of sorts. If prestige doesn't matter then folks would be like fukk the olympics for example. The assumption is the "Ring" belt's prestige will be used, but the counter argument is the Ring Belt means nothing if you didn't capture the individual belts to "become the man"

Sure but that argument comes from people that just started watching boxing less than a decade ago.. you didnt need to hold multiple belts to be the man in the division or LINEAL champ until very recently.. For example.. The man at 147 10 years ago was whoever won between Floyd and Manny.. Didnt matter if any belt was the on the line let alone someone arguing they have to beat whoever was holding the IBF first.. Thats just one example... Another one is when Barerra tossed the WBC in the trash.. He was still the Lineal and the man to beat at 126. The Ring belt goes back the furthest and holds more prestige.. WBC was referred to "We Be Crooks" until Floyd Mayweather started spewing crap about WBC being the most prestigious belt

 

[Apollo Creed]

Sure but that argument comes from people that just started watching boxing less than a decade ago.. you didnt need to hold multiple belts to be the man in the division or LINEAL champ until very recently.. For example.. The man at 147 10 years ago was whoever won between Floyd and Manny.. Didnt matter if any belt was the on the line let alone someone arguing they have to beat whoever was holding the IBF first.. Thats just one example... Another won is when Barerra tossed the WBC in the trash.. He was still the Lineal and the man to beat at 126. The Ring belt goes back the furthest and holds more prestige.. WBC was referred to "We Be Crooks" until Floyd Mayweather started spewing crap about WBC being the most prestigious belt

Who has been the Man without a WBC or WBA belt in the last 30 years of boxing? The only counter to a Belt not mattering is people with exciting styles and/or personality outside of having a culture behind them (and these are far and few).

Nobody has made a star out of thin air is my point, so right now we are waiting to see if casuals aka the people who keep the lights on for these sports give a shyt. Dudes got to stop out of these internet echo chambers.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Who has been the Man without a WBC or WBA belt in the last 30 years of boxing?

Off the top..Barerra after he beat Prince Naseem and dropped the WBC
Pac when he beat Barerra
Michael Spinks at HW when he beat Larry Holmes(yes I know thats a little further back than 30 yrs)
Kostya Tzsyu at 140 when he beat Sharmba Mitchell after he was stripped of all titles except the IBF.. Hatton after beating Tzsyu.. Manny when he beat Hatton..
Josh Taylor at 140 after being stripped of all titles at 140 except the WBO... Teofimo presently after beating Taylor..

This idea that you need to hold multiple belts or at least the wbc or wba titles with their bullshyt ranking system is some new age boxing fan bullshyt Ive notice get soread around online the past few years

Nothing is being created out of thin air..All Turki has to do is make a legit ranking system for the RING belt.. (Ring divisional rankings have ALWAYS and HISTORICALLY been better than the alphabet sanction rankings) have the top guys face each other and you have your LINEAL champ.. have the guys rabked below them face each other and make their way to the top.. Similar to how UFC does it.. Its not hard at all. None of the alphabet sanctions are needed for boxing and none of them hold more prestige over RING Magazine

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Let's go champ!!!

Him and Rampage are comedy

 

[Apollo Creed]

Off the top..Barerra after he beat Prince Naseem and dropped the WBC
Pac when he beat Barerra
Michael Spinks at HW when he beat Larry Holmes(yes I know thats a little further back than 30 yrs)
Kostya Tzsyu at 140 when he beat Sharmba Mitchell after he was stripped of all titles except the IBF.. Hatton after beating Tzsyu.. Manny when he beat Hatton..
Josh Taylor at 140 after being stripped of all titles at 140 except the WBO... Teofimo presently after beating Taylor..

This idea that you need to hold multiple belts or at least the wbc or wba titles with their bullshyt ranking system is some new age boxing fan bullshyt Ive notice get soread around online the past few years

Nothing is being created out of thin air..All Turki has to do is make a legit ranking system for the RING belt.. (Ring divisional rankings have ALWAYS and HISTORICALLY been better than the alphabet sanction rankings) have the top guys face each other and you have your LINEAL champ.. have the guys rabked below them face each other and make their way to the top.. Similar to how UFC does it.. Its not hard at all. None of the alphabet sanctions are needed for boxing and none of them hold more prestige over RING Magazine

Your examples are people who became the man from Belt Linage. I`m asking for someone who never had the Belt Linage/said fukk belts. Being stripped/dropping still gives you the lineage hence the Lineal.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Your examples are people who became the man from Belt Linage. I`m asking for someone who never had the Belt Linage/said fukk belts. Being stripped/dropping still gives you the lineage hence the Lineal.

Nah playa.. This is what you asked

Who has been the Man without a WBC or WBA belt in the last 30 years of boxing?

And some of those examples I gave still hold up even after the goalpost was moved.. Hatton became the man at 140
Spinks was the man at HW
Pac the man at 140 and 126
Teofimo presently at 140
All never held the WBA or WBC belts in those divisions when they became the man
Hell you can even argue Calzaghe was the man at 168 before winning the wba and wbc vs Kessler

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

When Uncle Al wanted to make boxing more independent from sanctioning bodies, they said he was ruining the sport. Tank says he doesn’t care about belts and they say he’s afraid.

Turki and Dana “I’m” White do it and it’s met with applause

 

[surv2syn]

Zab really fukked up shyt losing to Baldomir like he did . Dude dropped the ball several times in his career but this was the biggest and worst blunder

Baldomir was like i only have enough money for one belt and he picked the WBC...WBA upgraded Luis Collazo..the IBF letting Zab keep the belt due to possibly not missing out on the sanctioning fee money from the upcoming Floyd superfight was horseshyt then and horseshyt now. shyt there should not have been a Floyd fight period. Dude should have ran it back with Baldomir like he did with Cory Spinks but got hit with that suspension for the low blow melee. Then we eventually got Floyd vs Baldomir which was one of the worst PPV fights ever..even for Floyd who was crying about his hand and shyt afterwards

Keep in mind the Floyd - Zab fight was already signed prior to Baldomir defense. The WBC enforced the mando that’s why Baldomir chose to pay them over the others. I think he offered after to pay for the others but the fees were more than his purse (not sure how that happened). I think they then redid the Floyd contract and cut Zab purse in half.

 

[surv2syn]

When Uncle Al wanted to make boxing more independent from sanctioning bodies, they said he was ruining the sport. Tank says he doesn’t care about belts and they say he’s afraid.

Turki and Dana “I’m” White do it and it’s met with applause

Don’t convolute Tank saying he doesn’t care about belts with him not seeking the biggest or best fighters.

 

[surv2syn]

I've never really get into the sanctions talk, mainly because it's about money moving and shyt. But I remember being stationed in Spain for the Zab saga. From the second Spinks fight to the Floyd fight.

I just remember thinking why wasn't he running it back with Baldomir after losing.

Now I understand why.

I just remember Spinks coming out with Nelly dancing and shyt. And Zab looking at Armando Garcia like " Stop this shyt !!"

If he ran it back he may have never faced Floyd, definitely not in his prime he would not have. Fight was huge before the loss and even still had some luster even after. It truly was a “for the culture” fight.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[UpAndComing]

I loved HBO Boxing pre-Max Kellerman

HBO Boxing when Kellerman was there was ok I guess lol

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

I loved HBO Boxing pre-Max Kellerman

HBO Boxing when Kellerman was there was ok I guess lol

Don't see what was so bad about Kellerman. He was way better than Larry merchants racist senile ass. Especially in those final years. He had become completely unhinged and could barely even finish a sentence. And Max and Roy had better chemistry.