September 25th is not the summer and Matchroom has no footprint in the US. If you want to talk about the UK boxing scene that's fine but Matchroom is irrelevant in the US, we don't care about the Liams, Callums, and Cheesmans.
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PBC Fox already provides us with enough mid for everybody to collectively
We don't need matchroom shoving their UK mid down our throats too.
Dallas' 4 Eva
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I was gonna ignore that whole long ass delusional post. People on this side of the pond(US and Mexico) don't care about UK boxing like that.
Facts, even though I care about boxing from all around the world, don't sit here and act like I should be getting excited for the UK's version of Pbc fox match ups.
They gave us Whyte/Povetkin and Taylor/Persoon 2 late last summer, but don't have anything close to that card this summer and like Ace said, dude named a bunch of fights that are going to be in the fall (Sept/Oct)
If Joshua/Usyk was in August or July, he'd have more of a point.
PBC showtime been showing the best fights this year and its not even close.
Hell, matchroom barely has the best cards on DAZN. Goldenboy killing them on that part too.
Dallas' 4 Eva
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UK boxing is mid as hell in general.
all facts and im a fan of fight camp but even i said this second season of it lacked the bite of the first season
the first season was built up in a way which did showcase matchroom's roster but also know there were the legit big fights at the end of it...the big fights delivered and went viral and the icing on the cake was several numerous bloody fights and legit FOTY candidates popped off
this second season are legit talents in conor benn and joshua buatsi facing guys that legit underdogs and a struggle spoiler vs a guy whose jaw was broke by rigo in only 2 rounds for a vacant featherweight title in main events
..and the first card of this season would have been forgettable if it wasnt for xu can getting upset and ko'ed by an underdogthe thing with matchroom this year is their good cards that have popped off have been accidental and mostly because of upsets..and its all been in the UK or mexico..the US cards with canelo have not been..eddie has to work that shyt out
I meant generally not just Summer, if anybody thinks anything was centered around Conor Benn they are dead wrong, he wasn't even the last Fight Camp show, he was the first and now gonna be on an undercard for Warrington vs Lara 2. That show sure he was the headline but not for a whole period at all.
It's not "U.K boxing" it's globally, the U.S is not the world, it's just one market of many. As long as the numbers are there where it's from is irrelevant. AJ vs Usyk is gonna smash the numbers from nearly every other PPV the other promoters have done in recent times. They just recently did Canelo vs BJS with 70 thousand in U.S also.
No-one cares what you or anybody else does or doesn't care about, it's about the numbers, and Matchroom/DAZN have the biggest budget and are doing the biggest events. They also have the 2 biggest stars in boxing who are consistently active in AJ and Canelo. Canelo is a big star in U.S too.
Like I said for some reason some people seem to think the U.S is the world, it's just one market, it's one that plays a role but Matchroom are doing global shows all over the world, U.K, U.S, Mexico, Italy, Saudi and so many other places. No-one else is doing that yet, you may not understand what that means yet but you will see in due course. Some of the markets they are planning to tap into have a huge amount of people, they are gonna be caking off that. There's no-one close.
Anybody who doesn't care doesn't have to watch, but it's not gonna make any difference. People are still gonna tune in for the likes of AJ, Canelo etc. They have Whyte who was on PPV, Okolie who is a world champion and is gonna be in a unified fight at some point if he doesn't lose, Haney who's world champion and people keep avoiding, Katie Taylor who's undisputed, Martinez who is a rising star with an exiting style and champ, Mccaskill, Buatsi who could have serious potential, Harper who's champ, Andrade likewise, Bivol, Marshall who if she keeps winning will be in a big fight with Claressa Shields, Austin Williams who is a good prospect (hope he gets healthy), Callum Smith, Conor Benn, Dalton Smith, Pacheo who is a rising star, Hrgovic who is a big heavyweight prospect, Cash, Coe who looks really good, Cissokho who is a talented boxer, so many but gonna stop there. Their roster is deep and have very deep pockets too, they will be making more significant signings.
If you only care about national boxing that's local to you then cool, but for true boxing fans they care about boxing as a whole. I watch all the fights around the world if they are good by all different promoters, that's how I'm aware of the different fighters, promotions and what's going on.
Not sure if you realize too but Lopez, Garcia and many others have said they want to be on Matchroom, it's only contractual situations that have prevented that from happening. The Canelo and Matchroom link up is big and is gonna get even more fighters on board.
Like I said there's room for everyone, but to paint any kind of picture that Matchroom are in trouble is laughable and ridiculous. They are the dominant force in boxing.
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Black_Jesus
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I just knew we were getting Ugas vs Thurman, don't ask me how
instead we got Victor Ortiz vs Guerrerro lol
sign me up
they wild for that
I still don't believe this is an actual fight on the undercard.. they on some troll shytsatireprod
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they trolling
...but the jokes on us..., the jokes on us
reservoirdogs
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You guys are both right and wrong too.
It can't be ignored how DAZN and with it Matchroom became a global presence on a way PBC and TR so far couldn't and that the boxing world got bigger since the 90s with the US not the be all end all anymore so it's even more important to be present elsewhere too.
At the same time true that Eddie has struggled to set up a good US roster and the US market is still the biggest one even if not by the distance it once was and while Matchroom has AJ who is at worst the 2nd biggest name of this generation, it's a bit of a stretch to include Canelo to their roster now that Canelo's 2 fight deal is up with them. I know that he thinks Hearn the friendliest out of Arum, Haymon, DLH and Hearn but wouldn't call him a Matchroom fighter as of now.
So you are all right and wrong at the same time
It can't be ignored how DAZN and with it Matchroom became a global presence on a way PBC and TR so far couldn't and that the boxing world got bigger since the 90s with the US not the be all end all anymore so it's even more important to be present elsewhere too.
At the same time true that Eddie has struggled to set up a good US roster and the US market is still the biggest one even if not by the distance it once was and while Matchroom has AJ who is at worst the 2nd biggest name of this generation, it's a bit of a stretch to include Canelo to their roster now that Canelo's 2 fight deal is up with them. I know that he thinks Hearn the friendliest out of Arum, Haymon, DLH and Hearn but wouldn't call him a Matchroom fighter as of now.
So you are all right and wrong at the same time
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reservoirdogs
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Haymon is good to his loyal fighters but sometimes to the expense of the fans, like this case. They must know how disgusting that fight is but probably he wants to give one very last payday to Ghost who he has a soft spot for (iirc?). That could be okay but this is a PPV undercard that people will pay for so might not be the best place to dump the trash. Oh well...
Michael Hunter: I Was Never Really Embraced By Matchroom
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BY SEAN NAM
Published Mon Aug 02, 2021, 07:23 AM EDT
Michael Hunter never felt like he was part of the family during his tenure under Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing promotional banner.
The American heavyweight from Las Vegas has since signed with boxing upstart Triller. Hunter will headline Triller’s new monthly boxing series – TrillerVerz Boxing – at the Hulu Theatre at Madison Square Garden in New York City on Aug. 3 in a 10-round bout against Mike Wilson. Hunter believes he will be getting the sort of institutional support he lacked while working with Hearn.
Hunter’s deal with Hearn's Matchroom ran for three fights, all in 2019, during which he scored wins over Fabio Maldonado and Sergey Kuzmin, while drawing with Alexander Povetkin, after which Matchroom elected not to re-sign him.
“I peaked at Matchroom Boxing,” Hunter said in an interview on The SI Boxing Podcast.”I kind of knew that. Them letting me go was a tell tale sign that I had outgrown them.
“I just felt like I wasn’t really obviously a fighter like Dillian Whyte or a guy that was really embraced by Matchroom. I was really a guy that just went to work. They called me and I didn’t really have a say so in who or what or when to fight. You know, I fought harder fights than [Matchroom signee] Filip Hrgovic and I was on the undercard. I fought below them, when I easily could have fought him at that point. That’s what I kind of mean that I kind of outgrown it, I had worn out my stock and it came to a point where they were going to have to fully embrace me and give me some type of opportunity.”
Hunter (19-1-1, 13 KOs) pointed out that Matchroom would not have been able to go ahead with their two matches between Dillian Whyte and Alexander Povetkin, if Hunter had not drawn with Povetkin, in December 2019, on the undercard of Andy Ruiz-Anthony Joshua heavyweight title rematch.
“You know my rankings had gone up there, and they barely got on with the Dillian Whyte and Povetkin fight [because of my draw with Povetkin],” said Hunter. “I basically allowed that fight to happen. Dillian Whyte wouldn’t have had [any] fights if I didn’t [draw with Povetkin]. Yeah, I had outgrown [Matchroom]. It was time to move on.”
Hunter is keen on his new deal with Triller, the music app that has made recent inroads in the sport by promoting the lucrative exhibition match between Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr., as well as launching the fight career of YouTube star Jake Paul. For a while, however, it was slim pickings.
“I didn’t really have too many options,” Hunter said of the period after he was cut from Matchroom. “Top Rank, their forté isn’t really heavyweight fighters, especially African-American heavyweight fighters. PBC [Premier Boxing Champions] I had already been with. I didn't have too much of an option. My thing was always to continue to fight as many fights as I can on a solo basis and try to find a way to get these big fights.”
DAZN is not a global presence/force because of boxing, they have the rights to other sports that are for more popular in other parts of the world than the US.
reservoirdogs
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Sure, it's not only boxing but if you look at their marketing, social media activity and etc. it's mostly centered around boxing, it's surely their flagship sports as of now (maybe sans a few countries where they were present earlier) and they take it with them anywhere they can. My country was among the 200 new countries they expanded to in December and the content is 80-90% boxing with many boxing shows that cover the whole sport not just DAZN fighters.
I'm not saying they will be successful or that they won't be, too long term to say but there seems to be a strong attempt from them to be the nr 1. coverage place for boxing and eventually the leader of the sport.
They are a sports subscription app centered around boxing in most countries at this point, while Showtime is rather a movie/shows channel that sometimes does quality boxing coverage too, FOX is a national channel in the US (I believe) but boxing is on the periphery except when they are advertising big PPV cards and ESPN is a sports network/app with some international reach but boxing too playing second fiddle on there, rarely in the center.
Hunter makes a great point
Besides a good steady paycheck, Matchroom hasn't done much for American fighters. Farmer profile never got raised and we're practically reliving Andrade's 154 run right now at 160.
If Hearn is to takeover the US with boxing, he gotta raise somebody's stock over here.