Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[mr. smoke weed]

I won't say anything about Tim because you posted this and I don't want to get on loop right now.

Say whatever you'd like about BATB. Notice, I put two instances, and you're acting as if I made a blanket statement (like you did). You have a problem w admitting you're wrong friend, plain and simple. You said a black man must be an idiot to sign with TR. I pointed out that TR made T Craw and BATB multi millionaires.

 

[The axe murderer]

Lemiuex kept following GGG around the ring as he was jabbed to death.
I agree GGG is a far superior boxer than Lemeiux, but does have less pop, which is a credit to Lemmy.
Cotto fades after 6 rounds, that is the issue, and he is too prone to trying to trade and staying in range. You can land on him and funnily enough I don't think he has the mental discipline to do what GGG did and simply refuse to engage and get into an exchange. I'm sure Brian will be trying to stress that to him.

True but cotto does have some power imo. Not on Lemmy's level but still. And he moves well although sometimes excessively. He doesn't wanna trade with or hook with lemmy.

I think Lemieux is the hardest hitter at 160lbs but dudes feet so slow it looks like he's fighting in the Adidas Kobe 2's. And then on top that it's easier for a revolutionary war soldier to let off two shots on a running red coat with a musket than it is for Lemieux to hit a moving target with a combo

He ain't fitted right. He needs to get with the Big Baller Brand

 

[David_TheMan]

Say whatever you'd like about BATB. Notice, I put two instances, and you're acting as if I made a blanket statement (like you did). You have a problem w admitting you're wrong friend, plain and simple. You said a black man must be an idiot to sign with TR. I pointed out that TR made T Craw and BATB multi millionaires.

T Craw is a millionair because of his talent and in spite of a promoter who doesn't believe in him.
Timbo took money to be Top Rank's official Manny oppoenent, and then Bob tried to screw him on the way out with the bullshyt Chaves decision and sacrificing him to Vargas. That said Tim should argueably be recognized greater than he is, but isn't because he was locked away with Top Rank wasting his time.

All that to say, I can almost guarantee you in a few years T Craw will be suing Top Rank like every other fighter who has worked with them.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

There's no Andre Ward at 160 for Triple G to fight.........thus their careers aren't comparable. You know this, and whoever posed the OG question knows this. However, Kkkrybaby is extremely weak to the body and has been susceptible to KDs. Can't say the same about Triple G. N Blake Caparellio or whomever dropped Sergey with a hard right to the body.

Ya'll nikkas won't answer my 3 questions so I take that as saying GGG is better.

Ward has nothing to do with it. People keep throwing his name in this shyt to suck him off, but it ain't working.


People hate Golovkin so much, they willing to say a guy that just took 2 L's is the greater boxer.

 

[malbaker86]

154 card
Wilder/Ortiz
Cotto/Lemeiux
Loma/Rigo

Choices, choices

Do the 154 and then the Cotto card

 

[David_TheMan]

True but cotto does have some power imo. Not on Lemmy's level but still. And he moves well although sometimes excessively. He doesn't wanna trade with or hook with lemmy.


He ain't fitted right. He needs to get with the Big Baller Brand

I thikn Cotto is solid but he is a major accumulation guy at 160 imho, nowhere on the legit power scale and even if he lands clean you probably aren't getting buzzed or rocked.
Problem for Cotto is Lemeiux has a 3 inch reach advantage as well as a height advantage on Cotto

 

[reservoirdogs]

Ya'll nikkas won't answer my 3 questions so I take that as saying GGG is better.

Ward has nothing to do with it. People keep throwing his name in this shyt to suck him off, but it ain't working.


People hate Golovkin so much, they willing to say a guy that just took 2 L's is the greater boxer.

took 2 Ls to who...? Andre Ward

where's an Andre Ward caliber opponent on Golovkin's resume, c'mon man

I dislike Kovalev as a person, if you ask me 1 year ago who I rather wanna see get beat Golovkin or Kovalev I say Kovalev but I still think he's better than Golovkin...

Whose career I would rather have? You mean I'd have Andre Ward as my enemy or not?

Harder style to overcome? Why would it be Golovkin, explain a little... At least I tried to explain my opinion even if you doN't agree with it.

You throwing statements what you don't explain or back up you basically just answer the question by stating Golovkin and that you doN't think it's debatable but you won't argue just talking from a high horse to the ones who don't agree

The same way you calling everyone who pick Kovalev a Golovkin hater I can say that you're not even open to an argument cause you're a GGG stan...

So how is what you're doing in this argument is any better?

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I thikn Cotto is solid but he is a major accumulation guy at 160 imho, nowhere on the legit power scale and even if he lands clean you probably aren't getting buzzed or rocked.
Problem for Cotto is Lemeiux has a 3 inch reach advantage as well as a height advantage on Cotto

Yup, Cotto may as well face GGG. He'd get paid more. Lemeiux is nothing special, but he's all wrong for Cotto at this stage.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

took 2 Ls to who...? Andre Ward

where's an Andre Ward caliber opponent on Golovkin's resume, c'mon man

I dislike Kovalev as a person, if you ask me 1 year ago who I rather wanna see get beat Golovkin or Kovalev I say Kovalev but I still think he's better than Golovkin...

Whose career I would rather have? You mean I'd have Andre Ward as my enemy or not?

Harder style to overcome? Why would it be Golovkin, explain a little... At least I tried to explain my opinion even if you doN't agree with it.

You throwing statements what you don't explain or back up you basically just answer the question by stating Golovkin and that you doN't think it's debatable but you won't argue just talking from a high horse to the ones who don't agree

The same way you calling everyone who pick Kovalev a Golovkin hater I can say that you're not even open to an argument cause you're a GGG stan...

So how is what you're doing in this argument is any better?

Answer my 3 fukking questions without a fukking question nikka or shut the fukk up about this shyt then.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Answer my 3 fukking questions without a fukking question nikka or shut the fukk up about this shyt then.

Man maybe you don't realize but you always get mad emotional when it comes to GGG (or Canelo).

You won't argue but you expect everyone to answer your questions like you'd be some playmaster here who sets the circumstances of the debate.

But here you go with your third question:

GGG probably gonna be ranked higher as an mw than Kovalev as an lhw.

So.. what? Does that mean he's automatically better? No.
If Kovalev wouldn't have a Ward who knows how long he rules lhw. If he would have a Canelo caliber opponent and star in his division and he would beat him who knows where he would be ranked.
Circumstances also matter not just purely the quality of a fighter.
Now that I answered your questions you wanna explain your opinion too or you gonna stay dismissive and aggressive?

 

[The axe murderer]

I thikn Cotto is solid but he is a major accumulation guy at 160 imho, nowhere on the legit power scale and even if he lands clean you probably aren't getting buzzed or rocked.
Problem for Cotto is Lemeiux has a 3 inch reach advantage as well as a height advantage on Cotto

He can't hook with him. This is a trap that gets set up at times.

Here he is savvy with it because he got him on the ropes

 

[David_TheMan]

He can't hook with him. This is a trap that gets set up at times.

Here he is savvy with it because he got him on the ropes

It will be hard for Cotto to jab safely against Lemeiux with David's reach advantage.
Just no point in this fight IMHO.

 

[The axe murderer]

It will be hard for Cotto to jab safely against Lemeiux with David's reach advantage.
Just no point in this fight IMHO.

GGG timed him well because he expected the jab. Can't say if Cotto can command the same

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

I might have to hit up that dec2 card

Final chance to see Cotto slumped live

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Man maybe you don't realize but you always get mad emotional when it comes to GGG (or Canelo).

You won't argue but you expect everyone to answer your questions like you'd be some playmaster here who sets the circumstances of the debate.

But here you go with your third question:

GGG probably gonna be ranked higher as an mw than Kovalev as an lhw.

So.. what? Does that mean he's automatically better? No.
If Kovalev wouldn't have a Ward who knows how long he rules lhw. If he would have a Canelo caliber opponent and star in his division and he would beat him who knows where he would be ranked.
Circumstances also matter not just purely the quality of a fighter.
Now that I answered your questions you wanna explain your opinion too or you gonna stay dismissive and aggressive?

Breh you always reaching with hypotheticals and what ifs and throwing other factors in whenever you replying. That shyt is all over the place and annoying as fukk to read. You mistake frustration for
anger.

If you think Kovalev had the better career........Cool, breh no problem
If you think Kovalev's style is harder to overcome........Fine, breh
If you think Kovalev will be ranked higher all time........Nice. no problem

Just say so. No need to start explaining shyt. Answering those 3 simple questions will tell me more about how you assess boxers and their careers than any essay you can write.

but but but what if GGG fought Stevenson instead of Brook or what if Kovalev fought Jack instead of Ward. Nah fukk all that shyt. I ain't trying to read all that.

at playmaster. I swear the ring brehs are funny as fukk. but nah Im just trying to shoot the shyt about boxing. Thats all. its not that serious.