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[Newzz]

What do y'all think now, out of the two EE beasts who emerged around the same time, Kovalev and Golovkin which one is the better fighter?

Golovkin is.

 

[MoroccanBoy]

That and Sandy Saddler are the first names that come to mind when I hear hard hitting featherweight

Are you a classic boxing fan too? I swear when I boxed I literally studied the game from the beginning of the first filmed fights all the way through

The explosive thin man was a banger too at fw. He was pure class to watch as a fighter. I don't like many upright boxers but arguello did it well. Master at parrying especially once he hooked up with Eddie futch.

 

[The axe murderer]

Are you a classic boxing fan too? I swear when I boxed I literally studied the game from the beginning of the first filmed fights all the way through

The explosive thin man was a banger too at fw. He was pure class to watch as a fighter. I don't like many upright boxers but arguello did it well. Master at parrying especially once he hooked up with Eddie futch.

Yeah I ain't the most knowledgeable person on classics but I watch them every chance I get. Arguello was a monster at that weight. Pacman if I recall was pretty heavy handed at that weight as well. Heard of George Chaney but no footage though

 

[reservoirdogs]

Golovkin is.

I think Kovalev

both have different weaknesses except the lack of adaptability which occurs in both cases.

Golovkin: leaky defense, mediocre speed, can't fight on the inside, needs forward momentum to really shine
Kovalev: questionable heart, can't fight on the inside, needs forward momentum to really shine although less so than Golovkin

I say Kovalev cause he's faster and I think a better boxer than Golovkin Not a traditional pressure fighter like GGG but rather a hyper aggressive boxer-puncher. Also I think Kovalev has the better countering ability and better one-punch KO power which also makes it harder to attack him. He's super aggressive and fast in long-mid range but it's extremely hard to get close enough to him to negate him cause he is fast and athletic and also can be deadly on the counter.

Golovkin can be both crowded and outboxed easier than Kovalev cause the worse defense, athleticism and speed. On the other hand he has an advantage too namely that he's more relentless than Kovalev mostly because he has a grade A chin while Kovalev's chin is only decent.

Both are great and none of them is much ahead of the other but I think Kovalev is/or was the better out of the two, that's why it was such an incredible performance from Ward what he did to him especially on their 2nd fight. Kovalev was often his equal in speed and had more power + he was bigger but Ward still found a way.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Are you a classic boxing fan too? I swear when I boxed I literally studied the game from the beginning of the first filmed fights all the way through

The explosive thin man was a banger too at fw. He was pure class to watch as a fighter. I don't like many upright boxers but arguello did it well. Master at parrying especially once he hooked up with Eddie futch.

lol right he was like the textbook, perfect boxer-puncher. A mini Joe Louis.
Currently Mikey Garcia has a similar style imo. No unnecessary movement, no special moves, just the textbooks but that perfected to the maximum

 

[MoroccanBoy]

Yeah I ain't the most knowledgeable person on classics but I watch them every chance I get. Arguello was a monster at that weight. Pacman if I recall was pretty heavy handed at that weight as well. Heard of George Chaney but no footage though

Sandy Saddler was the original George foreman at fw. Same exact style. I think dikk saddler was his uncle who was one foreman trainers. Thats a lost style where you reached out and controlled your opponents arms with the cross arm defense too.

 

[The axe murderer]

Sandy Saddler was the original George foreman at fw. Same exact style. I think dikk saddler was his uncle who was one foreman trainers. Thats a lost style where you reached out and controlled your opponents arms with the cross arm defense too.

Didn't know that about dikk Sandler. Wasn't Archie Moore also training Foreman at a later point? He also used to have a cross arm defense back then.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

I think Kovalev

both have different weaknesses except the lack of adaptability which occurs in both cases.

Golovkin: leaky defense, mediocre speed, can't fight on the inside, needs forward momentum to really shine
Kovalev: questionable heart, can't fight on the inside, needs forward momentum to really shine although less so than Golovkin

I say Kovalev cause he's faster and I think a better boxer than Golovkin Not a traditional pressure fighter like GGG but rather a hyper aggressive boxer-puncher. Also I think Kovalev has the better countering ability and better one-punch KO power which also makes it harder to attack him. He's super aggressive and fast in long-mid range but it's extremely hard to get close enough to him to negate him cause he is fast and athletic and also can be deadly on the counter.

Golovkin can be both crowded and outboxed easier than Kovalev cause the worse defense, athleticism and speed. On the other hand he has an advantage too namely that he's more relentless than Kovalev mostly because he has a grade A chin while Kovalev's chin is only decent.

Both are great and none of them is much ahead of the other but I think Kovalev is/or was the better out of the two, that's why it was such an incredible performance from Ward what he did to him especially on their 2nd fight. Kovalev was often his equal in speed and had more power + he was bigger but Ward still found a way.

Yup. Little g could never in a million years box ward to a damn near stalemate. Little g would get 12-0'd easily. Kovalev is without QUESTION the better fighter. Period.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Yup. Little g could never in a million years box ward to a damn near stalemate. Little g would get 12-0'd easily. Kovalev is without QUESTION the better fighter. Period.

Agree with Kovalev being the better but let's not write down Golovkin so much

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Agree with Kovalev being the better but let's not write down Golovkin so much

Ok 12-0 or 11-1.



Can't see this dude winning 2 solid rounds vs ward. Ward would straight bully him from the jump. Negate his jab completely and maul him. Little g's inside game is too terrible for him to give ward any serious trouble.

 

[MoroccanBoy]

Didn't know that about dikk Sandler. Wasn't Archie Moore also training Foreman at a later point? He also used to have a cross arm defense back then.

dikk was actually sandys cousin not uncle. My mistake. But yeah archie trained George too. He was well schooled.

As good as archie moore was as a fighter here's what he said about his fight with charldy burley.

Fighting Charley Burely was almost inhuman, because he kept his punches coming at you like a riveting gun beats a tattoo on a rivet. He was a human machinegun the way he kept those punches spouting out, and nerly as dangerous. He was the best fighter I ever fought and the best fighter I ever saw. I recall not being to impressed by Charley [before the fight], of course. I knew he had been scaring everybody to death on the coast. THere hd been stories about how he had chased heavyweight's out of the gym, stiffened sparring partners with the big training gloves. But you must take into account that i've never been burdened by false modesty.

That night in Hollywood Burley did things i've never seen anybody else do...he got away with things that would have got another fighter killed. He kep this hands low and could feint you with his head, his hands, his shoulders, his knees...but the thing that sticks in my mind the most about Burley is the way he defied gravity. He could lean way back on his heels, it just made you miss. You'd figure: this man's way off balance, he can't break an egg from that position. Then you'd get the surprise. Burley could knock you dead from that position, and he could do it with either hand. I've been beaten in other fights - you look at my record, i've been in with a couple of hundred pro's - I was bound to drop a few. But I never lost like I lost to Burley.

He had me on the floor many times, but more than that he outboxed me. That's something I could never understand, because nobody had ever done that to be before. And no-one, incidently, has done it since.

I would say, personally, that I think Charley Burley could have beaten Ray [Robinson] in Ray's best time."

 

[krackdagawd]

Certain names are on that hbo deal

The nikkas we wanna see fight at 160 will be fighting

 

[The axe murderer]

dikk was actually sandys cousin not uncle. My mistake. But yeah archie trained George too. He was well schooled.

As good as archie moore was as a fighter here's what he said about his fight with charldy burley.

Underrated fighter. Eddie Futch said he was the best he's ever seen and that's saying something.

 

[patscorpio]

dikk was actually sandys cousin not uncle. My mistake. But yeah archie trained George too. He was well schooled.

As good as archie moore was as a fighter here's what he said about his fight with charldy burley.

this and are wonderful books on archie moore...i mentioned before dude led a hell of a life...there are some great stories in both..the any boy can book was in my local library in the town i grew up in..i used to check it out all the time...when i saw it was available to buy i had to grab it

 

[MoroccanBoy]

this and are wonderful books on archie moore...i mentioned before dude led a hell of a life...there are some great stories in both..the any boy can book was in my local library in the town i grew up in..i used to check it out all the time...when i saw it was available to buy i had to grab it

Good looking. I love reading about old fighters. They lived crazy lives and seem so much tougher than people today. Boxing has the wildest characters of any sport.