Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[H.I.M.]

If Povetkin actually got in the ring with Wilder he would have knocked him cold

Arms too short to box with the god...

Takam was giving him that work at range for about 2/3rds of their fight until got stupid (or tired).

Chambers was boxing him up too in their fight with the jab, simple 1-2's and some side to side movement...

Wilder was all wrong for Povetkin. I maintained that Wilder should took that fight anyway...roids or not...Povetkin wasn't beating him.

When you a Brehski with an inside game

takes notes kkkovalev and ggg

This fight still trip me out...to see someone who dominated our local amateur scene (and the national scene in some respects) so effortlessly since he was a youngin...get dismantled and toyed with just as effortlessly

 

[Newzz]

Difference Charlo is stacking bodies

Who?

John Jackson? Gabe Rosado? Demetrius Hopkins?

 

[Newzz]

The end of 51-year-old Bernard Hopkins’ legendary career, which came with him getting punched out of the ring in an eighth round knockout loss to light heavyweight contender Joe Smith Jr. on Saturday night at The Forum in Inglewood, California, averaged 934,000 viewers for the live airing on HBO, according to Nielsen Media Research.

That figure made the fight the sixth most-viewed bout on premium cable in 2016. The fight peaked during the eighth round at 1.035 million viewers.

The co-feature, featherweight up-and-comer Joseph Diaz Jr.’s decision win against Horacio Garcia, averaged 644,000 viewers with a peak of 707,000. The opener -- cruiserweight titlist Oleksandr Usyk’s first defense and American debut against Thabiso Mchunu -- averaged 560,000 viewers and peaked at 645,00.

With the books now closed on the premium cable boxing year here is a look at the top 30 most-viewed bouts measured by average number of viewers per bout:

1. Gennady Golovkin-Dominic Wade (April 23): 1.325 million (HBO World Championship Boxing)

2. Sergey Kovalev-Jean Pascal II (Jan. 30): 1.179 million (HBO WCB)

3. Andre Ward-Sullivan Barrera (March 26): 1.064 million (HBO WCB)

4. Roman Gonzalez-McWilliams Arroyo (April 23): 1.001 million (HBO WCB)

5. Terence Crawford-Hank Lundy (Feb. 27): 980,000 (HBO WCB)

6. Hopkins-Smith (Dec. 17): 934,000 (HBO WCB)

7. Felix Verdejo-William Silva (Feb. 27): 886,000 (HBO WCB)

8. Golovkin-Kell Brook (Sept. 10): 843,000 (HBO WCB, live afternoon telecast)

9. Kovalev-Ward PPV replay debut (Nov. 26): 834,000

10. Gonzalez-Carlos Cuadras (Sept. 10): 833,000 (HBO WCB)

T10. Francisco Vargas-Orlando Salido (June 4): 833,000 (HBO Boxing After Dark)

12. Crawford-John Molina Jr. (Dec. 10): 806,000 (HBO WCB)

13. Canelo Alvarez-Amir Khan PPV replay debut (May 14): 767,000 (HBO WCB)

14. Vasyl Lomachenko-Nicholas Walters (Nov. 26): 761,000 (HBO WCB)

15. Diaz Jr.-Jayson Velez (March 26): 756,000 (HBO WCB)

16. Manny Pacquiao-Timothy Bradley III PPV replay debut (April 16): 750,000 (HBO WCB)

17. Ward-Alexander Brand (Aug. 6): 742,000 (HBO BAD)

18. Luis Ortiz-Tony Thompson (March 5): 740,000 (HBO BAD)

19. Jessie Vargas-Sadam Ali (March 5): 726,000 (HBO BAD)

20. Dmitry Mikhaylenko-Karim Mayfield (Jan. 30): 701,000 (HBO WCB)

21. Yoshihiro Kamegai-Jesus Soto Karass (Sept. 10): 667,000 (HBO WCB)

22. Abraham Lopez-Julian Ramirez (June 4): 649,000 (HBO BAD)

23. Diaz Jr.-Horacio Garcia (Dec. 17): 644,000 (HBO WCB)

24. Raymundo Beltran-Mason Menard (Dec. 10): 636,000 (HBO WCB)

25. Golovkin-Brook (Sept. 10): 593,000 (HBO WCB, primetime replay)

26. Lomachenko-Roman Martinez (June 11): 585,000 (HBO BAD)

27. Usyk-Mchunu (Dec. 17): 560,000 (HBO WCB)

28. Joseph Parker-Andy Ruiz Jr. (Dec. 10): 521,000 (HBO WCB)

29. Verdejo-Juan Jose Martinez (Dec. 11): 513,000 (HBO BAD)

30. Deontay Wilder-Artur Szpilka (Jan. 16): 500,000 (Showtime Championship Boxing)

The top 30 premium cable bouts of 2016



29 of the 30 most watched fights on cable were from HBO

 

[Black_Jesus]

Andrade is fighting Culcay because it makes him the mandatory for Lara.


Andrade wouldn't need to fight Culcay if Lara would voluntarily face him.......but that will never happen. Lara don't want it.

Andrade already said he's fighting Culcay so he can get the "regular" belt to try and unify with one of the Charlos Brothers... Lara a last resort


“I just heard of his name(Culcay), that he has the WBA,” Andrade said. “I’m trying to get a title shot so I can put a belt up against Charlo where it’s big, not me trying to fight for the belt he has, even though I’m going to take it.” - See more at: Demetrius Andrade: Lara a Last Resort, I’d Fight Jack Culcay - Boxing News

 

[reservoirdogs]

Vinnie Paz rides this hard for Golovkin?


C'mon already... I don't get when people get emotional when somebody criticizes Golovkin's resume.
Everything is matter of perspective.

He has a good resume.

Compared to the hype? Dog shyt.

 

[reservoirdogs]

If Povetkin actually got in the ring with Wilder he would have knocked him cold

Doubt it, Povetkin got beaten by Huck (not on paper), struggled with Cunningham, didn't win a single round against Wlad... I doN't know why he later got enlarged into some monster...

 

[reservoirdogs]

The end of 51-year-old Bernard Hopkins’ legendary career, which came with him getting punched out of the ring in an eighth round knockout loss to light heavyweight contender Joe Smith Jr. on Saturday night at The Forum in Inglewood, California, averaged 934,000 viewers for the live airing on HBO, according to Nielsen Media Research.

That figure made the fight the sixth most-viewed bout on premium cable in 2016. The fight peaked during the eighth round at 1.035 million viewers.

The co-feature, featherweight up-and-comer Joseph Diaz Jr.’s decision win against Horacio Garcia, averaged 644,000 viewers with a peak of 707,000. The opener -- cruiserweight titlist Oleksandr Usyk’s first defense and American debut against Thabiso Mchunu -- averaged 560,000 viewers and peaked at 645,00.

With the books now closed on the premium cable boxing year here is a look at the top 30 most-viewed bouts measured by average number of viewers per bout:

1. Gennady Golovkin-Dominic Wade (April 23): 1.325 million (HBO World Championship Boxing)

2. Sergey Kovalev-Jean Pascal II (Jan. 30): 1.179 million (HBO WCB)

3. Andre Ward-Sullivan Barrera (March 26): 1.064 million (HBO WCB)

4. Roman Gonzalez-McWilliams Arroyo (April 23): 1.001 million (HBO WCB)

5. Terence Crawford-Hank Lundy (Feb. 27): 980,000 (HBO WCB)

6. Hopkins-Smith (Dec. 17): 934,000 (HBO WCB)

7. Felix Verdejo-William Silva (Feb. 27): 886,000 (HBO WCB)

8. Golovkin-Kell Brook (Sept. 10): 843,000 (HBO WCB, live afternoon telecast)

9. Kovalev-Ward PPV replay debut (Nov. 26): 834,000

10. Gonzalez-Carlos Cuadras (Sept. 10): 833,000 (HBO WCB)

T10. Francisco Vargas-Orlando Salido (June 4): 833,000 (HBO Boxing After Dark)

12. Crawford-John Molina Jr. (Dec. 10): 806,000 (HBO WCB)

13. Canelo Alvarez-Amir Khan PPV replay debut (May 14): 767,000 (HBO WCB)

14. Vasyl Lomachenko-Nicholas Walters (Nov. 26): 761,000 (HBO WCB)

15. Diaz Jr.-Jayson Velez (March 26): 756,000 (HBO WCB)

16. Manny Pacquiao-Timothy Bradley III PPV replay debut (April 16): 750,000 (HBO WCB)

17. Ward-Alexander Brand (Aug. 6): 742,000 (HBO BAD)

18. Luis Ortiz-Tony Thompson (March 5): 740,000 (HBO BAD)

19. Jessie Vargas-Sadam Ali (March 5): 726,000 (HBO BAD)

20. Dmitry Mikhaylenko-Karim Mayfield (Jan. 30): 701,000 (HBO WCB)

21. Yoshihiro Kamegai-Jesus Soto Karass (Sept. 10): 667,000 (HBO WCB)

22. Abraham Lopez-Julian Ramirez (June 4): 649,000 (HBO BAD)

23. Diaz Jr.-Horacio Garcia (Dec. 17): 644,000 (HBO WCB)

24. Raymundo Beltran-Mason Menard (Dec. 10): 636,000 (HBO WCB)

25. Golovkin-Brook (Sept. 10): 593,000 (HBO WCB, primetime replay)

26. Lomachenko-Roman Martinez (June 11): 585,000 (HBO BAD)

27. Usyk-Mchunu (Dec. 17): 560,000 (HBO WCB)

28. Joseph Parker-Andy Ruiz Jr. (Dec. 10): 521,000 (HBO WCB)

29. Verdejo-Juan Jose Martinez (Dec. 11): 513,000 (HBO BAD)

30. Deontay Wilder-Artur Szpilka (Jan. 16): 500,000 (Showtime Championship Boxing)

The top 30 premium cable bouts of 2016



29 of the 30 most watched fights on cable were from HBO

to decide which one of them truly has the better marketing, promotion, etc... they need to compare their numbers of their subscriber base.
Sure HBO looks impressive like this but would the results be so good to them if we would compare Showtime's views to the number Showtime's subscribers and the same with HBO?

 

[Newzz]

to decide which one of them truly has the better marketing, promotion, etc... they need to compare their numbers of their subscriber base.
Sure HBO looks impressive like this but would the results be so good to them if we would compare Showtime's views to the number Showtime's subscribers and the same with HBO?

I would normally agree, but the ratings for the only Showtime fight on this list, #30 of #30, was for a fight that was held during the Showtime "free weekend"...and it still only averaged 500k


Showtime’s free preview weekend starts this Saturday, includes Deontay Wilder-Artur Szpilka card


^^^ anyone could've watched this fight, so with the fact that less people watched it than Beltran/Menard is

 

[Axum Ezana]

Vinnie Paz rides this hard for Golovkin?


C'mon already... I don't get when people get emotional when somebody criticizes Golovkin's resume.
Everything is matter of perspective.

He has a good resume.

Compared to the hype? Dog shyt.

yep. people think we blaming him but we not. u only can fight whos around.

now he can move up after he gets the titles and defense record....thats all on him then.

 

[reservoirdogs]

yep. people think we blaming him but we not. u only can fight whos around.

now he can move up after he gets the titles and defense record....thats all on him then.

I kinda blame him for not moving up already 2 years ago or so...
He basically wasted 2 years from his prime fighting C level opponents... Now that he made the only sensible mw fight and Canelo is also around there's a reason for him to stay he won't even move up which I understand NOW but he waited too long imo and should have moved up when Canelo wan't even a close possibility or anything like that

 

[The axe murderer]

ANDRE WARD SPEAKS IN-DEPTH ABOUT HIS VICTORY AND SERGEY KOVALEV'S EXCUSES: "IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE KRUSHER"
By Ben Thompson | December 21, 2016

BT: Unified light heavyweight champion Andre Ward! Has it sunk in yet?

AW: Not really. I think it might start to sink in when I officially get all of these belts. I haven't gotten all of 'em yet and I've been on my lawyer almost daily like, "Please reach out to the sanctioning bodies and see when I can get all of my straps." People don't know that you don't take the belts home with you the night of the fight unless the belts are vacant. If you take them from a champion, you get to have them in the ring and at the post-fight press conference, but you have to physically give them back and you literally wait until your belts come in the mail, and that's what I'm doing. I'm waiting for them all to come in the mail. (Laughing) It's been a little while since I've had some hardware. I don't remember what year it was when I vacated the WBC belt, but it was time. I had a little bit more room in the trophy case and I felt like I was due, you know, I really did. We made it happen and I can't wait to get 'em all.

BT: When you had the long layoff and you were dealing with the injuries and the promotional issue, were you still confident that everything would work out and eventually you would get to this point in your career?

AW: I didn't know what was going to happen honestly. I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak. I just knew that I was fighting for what I believed in in the midst of criticism and in the midst of people commenting on the situation without really having any of the details or the facts. I'm a person that will fight for my conviction until the end. That's just the way that I am. So in my natural eyes, no, I didn't see it, but that's where my faith came in place, when I had those moments where I felt like it may be over and I may have to retire. I have people in my life, bro, that kept me encouraged. I can remember a conversation that I had with my pastor. I was like, "Man, this is not looking too good. You think this is it?" He laughed and was like, "Listen, God's got too much glory that he's gotta get out of you. You've got way too much more you need to do in your life and career. This is a season and it's going to pass." I remember thinking like, "He's not hearing me. He doesn't see what I see. This situation is not good." It's just important to have people of faith around you that can sometimes see when you can't see because he was right.

BT: Have you had a chance to watch the fight yet?

AW: Nah. I take a couple weeks to kind of decompress and just get my mind off of boxing, even though that's not going to happen completely because no matter where I go, people are talking about it. Obviously I was in there, so I know what happened, but eventually I'll get by myself and I'll watch it. This fight, for me, was my favorite performance. I don't ever want to be on the canvas, you know, I'm not a fan of that and I don't subscribe to that, but at the same time, these things happen and sometimes God will put you in these situations to show you that you can get through them. When you get through them, I'm telling you, bro, it makes you strong. To be down early against this guy, who everybody said was this big puncher and the best light heavyweight in the world, to basically laugh at the knockdown, get up, and then go to work and come back, man, it makes you feel like there's nothing you can't overcome. I'm happy I got one of those under the belt. I can't even tell you the amount of people, whether it's my peers in the game or just fans in general, who have watched the fight and told me, "I was so inspired by that fight because it taught me so much." I'm like, "What do you mean? I just did my job." And they're like, "Nah, you don't realize how you inspired me, to be down early and have to come back and face a giant, a guy that nobody thought you could beat, and not back down." All these different things that people pulled from the fight really amazed me.

BT: Going into the fight, all of the talk was that he would be the bigger, more powerful man inside the ring. Now that you've had a chance to face him, was that an accurate statement?

AW: Well, he was the bigger man, but I don't know about more powerful. You see, you can't measure the heart of a man, a man's desire, or where a man is willing to go for the victory. Again, I never want to be on the canvas, never, but on that night, that's what it took to break him down mentally and then physically. I wasn't supposed to get up, and I certainly wasn't supposed to do what I did the rest of the fight. He was mentally beaten and physically broken down. That's never happened to him. He's going to have to mentally bounce back if there is a rematch, and I'm not sure he can.

BT: Any time you got inside, it seemed like you were trying to get work done while Kovalev was the one initiating a lot of the clinching and holding. Do you think he called you a dirty fighter before the fight on purpose to maybe put that idea into the referee or a judge's head?

AW: Let me explain what a dirty fighter looks like! Someone who intentionally hits another fighter behind the head, we call that a rabbit punch in boxing. Someone who intentionally hits another fighter below the belt line, we call that a low blow in boxing. Someone who intentionally hits with elbows or any kind of illegal foul repeatedly, that is a dirty fighter. It's the inside work, bro. It's putting Kovalev in places he doesn't like to be. He can't stand it and wants no part of it. He should acknowledge that instead of making excuses. It's not a good look for the Krusher. This is the first time I have dealt with the Nevada State Athletic Commission and I think they did a great job from top to bottom. The whole week, I felt they handled their business in a professional manner for both camps. I think they also did a great job scoring the fight. Not just because I won (laughing), but because the score was consistent and it was unanimous; not split, not majority, but unanimous. For three judges to score the same fight the exact same way, that says a lot to me.

BT: When they cry robbery as opposed to just saying it was a close, competitive fight, does that take away from what you were able to accomplish?

AW: I have no problem with someone thinking I lost. I disagree, but that's fine. But anyone crying robbery, they just went too far. The last time I checked, this isn't the first close fight in boxing. But many didn't think the fight would be that close. You have to realize, a lot of those who are saying that [robbery] are those who felt I was not going to be standing at the end of the fight. I mean, how could I? I was fighting the "Krusher"! Those same people are not going to come out now and say they were wrong. That just doesn't happen in boxing. My whole career, they set the bar one place and when we reach that goal, they push the bar back and say, "You did that, now try to do this!" (Laughing) Or they take away from it in some way. There is such a thing as a fight being close, but with a clear winner, and that was me. Kovalev saying he lost because he's not American is not a good look for him and his team. He is biting the hand that has been feeding him over the years. This isn't his first fight in America or his first fight in Las Vegas, but it is the first time a fight didn't go his way. Now he's falling apart and blaming everyone but himself. This is showing me a lot about him as a person. It's a weakness of sorts; very revealing. It's a side I've never seen from him before. Not a good look.

BT: When the critics and naysayers don't want to give you credit, even after you proved them wrong, how do you deal with that, knowing that no matter what you do, it'll never be enough?

AW: When I was younger, those that you just mentioned used to grab a lot more of my attention, more of my energy, more of my time. I used to save articles, remember names, and I would literally repeat the things they said as I trained to motivate myself. I simply was bent on proving them wrong at all costs. God had to deliver me from that mindset. (Laughing) I don't need that to motivate me anymore. Just to be clear, we aren't talking about constructive criticism coming from a good place. We all need some of that in our lives. The best way I can describe the one's you mentioned are people who always have a lot to say, and it's typically doom and gloom, but rarely have any suggestions on how to help you improve or get better. They always have a negative forecast. I would rather have the courage to get out of the boat and try to walk on water, even though I might fail, instead of not having the courage to get out of the boat, criticizing the ones who do. Critics come with the territory; it comes with success. Those who are successful in any field are more criticized than those who aren't. They have books out about this stuff. (Laughing) I've had to learn the hard way that not everyone is going to be happy for your achievements in life. It's just the way it is. God bless them! They are who they are, but they don't get much of my time, energy, or focus these days. I'm too busy trying to make something of myself, trying to be great, building a legacy, and trying to touch and influence as many people in life as possible. I won't be distracted by the nonsense. I'm trying to glorify God with my life, not get involved in that kind of stuff.

BT: I hear you, but it seems like there's a lot of over-the-top criticism aimed directly at you, particularly from specific individuals in the boxing media. Don't you think that's a little strange?

AW: Well, I think there are a lot of great boxing writers and great individuals who cover the sport the right way. We need them in the sport just as much as they need us fighters. As far as the over-the-top criticism, I think that goes beyond just boxing sometimes. I don't talk the way they want me to talk, I don't act the way they want me to act, I'm not who they want me to be, and I don't fit in their neat little box, so they attempt to create this character or this narrative and it just doesn't fit who I am. But that's okay because when people get the opportunity to interact with me, they get to experience what I'm really about and I'm cool with that.



ANDRE WARD SPEAKS IN-DEPTH ABOUT HIS VICTORY AND SERGEY KOVALEV'S EXCUSES: "IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE KRUSHER" || FIGHTHYPE.COM

SOG settin the record straight

 

[Axum Ezana]

I kinda blame him for not moving up already 2 years ago or so...
He basically wasted 2 years from his prime fighting C level opponents... Now that he made the only sensible mw fight and Canelo is also around there's a reason for him to stay he won't even move up which I understand NOW but he waited too long imo and should have moved up when Canelo wan't even a close possibility or anything like that

that's crazy tho. nelo finna move up to 165 for chavez....so ggg could always move up and not worry bout not getting a nelo. its good money in the fight not may/pac level but good.

 

[Newzz]

Kovalev Lands WBC #2 Ranking To Adonis Stevenson's Title


By Carlos Boogs

Former world champion Sergey Kovalev (30-1, 26KOs) has landed a number two ranking under the World Boxing Council, after losing his three world titles last month.



Kovalev lost a close twelve round decision to Andre Ward at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Ward picked up Kovalev's WBA, IBF and WBO world titles. There is a rematch clause, which Kovalev is pursuing for the first half of 2017.


As a result of that loss, the WBC has included Kovalev in their rankings.

The current WBC light heavyweight champion is Adonis Stevenson. His mandatory challenger is Eleider Alvarez, who faces Lucian Bute in the coming months. The winner of that contest will face Stevenson in April.

Two years ago, the WBC made a controversial ruling where they placed Kovalev - who at the time held three titles from rival sanctioning bodies - as the mandatory challenger to Stevenson. After months of failed discussions, the fight never happened and Kovalev's team refused to go forward with an ordered purse bid - because there were a high probably that Stevenson's side would win and bring the fight to Showtime, but Kovalev is contracted to rival network HBO. While all of this was going on, everything was put on hold in the WBC's ranking system at 175.

Provided Stevenson will move forward against the Alvarez-Bute winner in April as planned, Kovalev would be the next fighter in line for a shot. If Kovalev's rematch with Ward goes forward - and Kovalev wins - he will likely lose his WBC ranking as the sanctioning body will not make the same mistake of placing him in the mandatory position based on the history of what transpired in the past.

- See more at: Kovalev Lands WBC #2 Ranking To Adonis Stevenson's Title - Boxing News

 

[mr. smoke weed]

@mr. smoke weed You mind reminding the fellas what happened the last time you went to see a Erislandy Lara-headlined event?

Yessssir! I left after I the #BeterBeast fight to get in my ex demons sugar walls.

Still the right decision brehs.

 

[The axe murderer]

When you a Brehski with an inside game

takes notes kkkovalev and ggg

I swear this guy is one of the most complete fighters around hands down