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Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson

Best Overall: JHONNY GONZALEZ

I would say that it's Johnny Gonzalez. he's a guy that when you look at him on tape or when you watch him in the ring, it doesn't look like anything special. Even though it was the last fight of my career it's also the way that he carries him self, with his defense and his punching power. then you add in the fact that he was trained by Nacho Beristain, who is a hall of fame trainer.

Best Jab: ARTHUR JOHNSON

I would say that the man with the best jab would have to be Arthur Johnson. I say that even tho I knocked him out in the first round, and I never really gave him the opportunity to use it. I really had to out speed him and beat him with my jab, which meant being first and getting close. Then, once he would jab, I countered over the top and caught him. I set the stage early in the first five seconds of the round. I had to out jab the jabber and I got him with a right hook over the top of his jab.

BEST DEFENSE: Fernado Montiel

Montiel was tough. Early on in the fight, I was the aggressor and I was able to push forward. But if you watch the fight, the punch numbers were down. He was difficult to hit and made it tough to jump on him.

BEST BOXER: Montiel

I still have to go with Montiel. I think that he was the best boxer out of them all. It went 12 rounds, and I was fighting a lot of mexicans who, up until then, really didn't have that many comparable boxing skills. but Montiel was a really good, solid boxer. Fernado Montiel, the Sugar Ray Leonard of Mexicans.

BEST PUNCHER: Rafael Marquez

I fought a lot of guys who were good punchers, but of course the guy that I would have to rate No. 1 is Marquez just because in the second fight, he was able to stop me.

BEST CHIN: Alberto Jimenez

the Jimenez fight came at a time early in my career when I was knocking everybody out, but with him, it went to a split dec. Before that fight, I had only gone as far as about six rounds. I hit him with everything, including the kitchen sink. The only thing that I didn't hit him with was the fire hydrant outside.

FASTEST HANDS AND FEET: Montiel

that would have to be Montiel again. Montiel was faster than any of them. Montiel was a much better fighter then he showed against donaire. I never got behind the eight-ball and the fight did get close, but I was already ahead. But Montiel was the fastest fighter that I fought. that fight just gave me fits.

Smartest: Gonzalez

I say that it was Gonzalez, but not because of what he did in the ring, but because he chose to fight me at the right time in my career and was able to stop me. plus with Nacho in the the corner you could actually say he was the smartest person that I fought. he just didn't get in the ring.

STRONGEST: Ancee Gedeon

Very very very early in my career, I fought a guy who was the physically strongest in Ancee Gedeon. it went 10 rounds in DC....and it was one of those tune up fights. but this guy was so much bigger and so much stronger than I had anticipated, that every punch I hit him with, he just walked right threw it. in the later rounds, I had to box the guy because he just would not go anywhere.

 

[SuikodenII]

Freddie Roach (as a fighter NOT a trainer)

BEST OVERALL: Hector Camacho
The most complete overall boxer that I've ever fought in my career was Hector Camacho. His speed was tough to deal with and he had a lot of boxing ability. I trained to punch with him, and he would come in, throw a combination but when I threw one back, he would be 10 feet away from me. This would be after he hit me with three or for shots. His perpetual motion was tremendous, and he was just too quick for me.*

BEST BOXER: Camacho
That would Probably be Camacho again. He wasn't a big puncher, but everything else he did great. He had speed, fast feet, fast hands, good head movement. If Hector *Camacho had stayed clean he could have been one of the best fighters in the sport P4P for all time, I think.*

BEST CHIN: Greg Haugen
That would be Greg Haugen. When I hit him with some solid shots he was right there punching back. He was just a very very durable guy I thought I could break him down but he broke me down.*

BEST JAB: Andy Nance*
That would be Andy nance. You know what? He hit me with a jab in the first round and it hurt me. Now I was a tough guy and I had a good chin. So I was like what's this guy got rocks in his gloves or something? That's what I was saying to myself. He just had a very very strong hard jab.*

Best puncher: LENNY VALDEZ
The best puncher was Lenny Valdez. He was very dangerous guy for the first 3 rounds a I found out about that in the second round. That was my first time ever going down in my life, and it changed my life completely I thought being knocked out was impossible before that.*

BEST DEFENSE: Mario Chavez
*Mario Chavez was a very very defensive fighter that I fought early in my career. I remember when I fought him that I saw the right hand opening do I fired the right hand as hard as I could and he dipped his head and I hit him on the forehead. He just baffled me with his defense. He used his forehead to break my hand. The thing was I was shooting for the chin and he was always well aware of what I was up to. He was a very very intelligent fighter with good defense. Not a person that a lot of people would know but he was a very very tough guy to hit.*

FASTEST FEET: Camacho*
That would have to be Camacho again. He just had unbelievable in and out motion. By the time you swing back at him he would be 10 feet away from you. He wouldn't be just slightly out of range he would be way out of range. I mean his feet were unbelievable.*

FASTEST HANDS: CAMACHO
That would be Camacho again and I'm sorry. But he would land a 3 or 4 punch combination and that would be before I could get one back.*

STRONGEST: TOMMY CORDOVA
Tommy Cordova was like Aaron Pryor, a white Aaron Pryor he just kept coming. I mean when he got off the stool he would just run across the ring and attack you. He would maintain pressure on you. He wasn't a big puncher, but he was strong with his shoulders and would just back you up all night long. That's how he beat me.*

SMARTEST: BOBBY CHACON
That would Probably be Bobby Chacon I knocked him down twice in the second round. And he talked him self outta getting knocked out. He said is that all you got little punk?. And I said to my self I said self maybe he's not hurt that bad. So I should have finished him off but I had doubt in my head because he asked me if that was all I had. So he basically talked him self outta being knocked out.*

 

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[Black_Jesus]

there was always a argument
certain ppl just chose to ignore it cause they loved the pacquaio story so much

just like everyone knew mark mcgwire was on roids too
but they ignored it cause they loved him so much
the media has selective outrage, u should no dis

if your scared of needles you aint gettin a voluntary tattoo
it makes zero sense
and a tattoo is way more painful den the random blood testing procedure

unlimited urine means nothing since urine can only detect certain stuff
im sure you know this already

urine doesnt even detect certain stds

its not as extreme as you tryin to hype it up to be. if it was, floyd wouldnt be doin da same testing. its called RANDOM just so you have in da back of your mind dat they can come at anytime so it prevents you from taking anything or it makes you take a crazy risk.

its not like they are there everyday taking blood
there has been no complaints about any boxer who has gone threw it
its really not a big deal
and again if floyd;s doin da same thing, there should be no problem.

i wouldnt use the word "wrong" but pacquaio was clearly hiding something. it was bigger den "i just dont feel like takin da testing" if he just had one reason it woulda been one thing, but his excuses were retarded and they kept changing everyday. mad suspect

so what now in 2012 he is no longer afraid of needles
come on bro

and for the record, pacquaio was never a bigger attraction den floyd mayweather
unless u countin his 18 month layoff

I understand you're probably a cac and you have no problem accusing someone of being guilty without any proof or real evidence to support your suspicion... You probably had no problem with zimmerman following Trayvon because he was wearing a hoodie in a white neighboorhood.
These arguments were between Pac haters.... PERIOD...

You over trying to shyt on urine tests right now when all these nikkas who been getting caught lately have been getting caught with shyt in their urine samples..

Just from how you describe getting a tattoo during 1 sitting vs getting blood withdrawn an unlimited amount of time I can tell you've never
done either... When you get a tattoo its more of a burning stinging pain unlike when you have blood drawn and they stick the needle up in you... Its a totally different sensation


The shyt had never been done in boxing at the time. So I understand if Pac had an issue with having them take blood an unlimited amount of times close to the fight and wanting their to be some sort of cut off date which may I remind Floyd camp was down with initially then changed there mind (which they seem to do a lot when its convenient for them...

And for the record Pac was easily the biggest attraction when he bacame a ww and destroyed ODLH Hatton and Cotto back to back to back

 

[SuikodenII]

@ the sound his head makes when it hits the canvas

 

[seemorecizzy]

I understand you're probably a cac and you have no problem accusing someone of being guilty without any proof or real evidence to support your suspicion... You probably had no problem with zimmerman following Trayvon because he was wearing a hoodie in a white neighboorhood.
These arguments were between Pac haters.... PERIOD...

You over trying to shyt on urine tests right now when all these nikkas who been getting caught lately have been getting caught with shyt in their urine samples..

Just from how you describe getting a tattoo during 1 sitting vs getting blood withdrawn an unlimited amount of time I can tell you've never
done either... When you get a tattoo its more of a burning stinging pain unlike when you have blood drawn and they stick the needle up in you... Its a totally different sensation


The shyt had never been done in boxing at the time. So I understand if Pac had an issue with having them take blood an unlimited amount of times close to the fight and wanting their to be some sort of cut off date which may I remind Floyd camp was down with initially then changed there mind (which they seem to do a lot when its convenient for them...

And for the record Pac was easily the biggest attraction when he bacame a ww and destroyed ODLH Hatton and Cotto back to back to back

your dumb as fukk
do you no what the word proof means?
you have no proof that marquez took steroids
its speculation based off who he was working with
dat speculation has now turned into your opinion

a lot of us speculate that pacquaio is/was doing steroids for a variety of reasons that have been discussed over and over again to you .but your stanning just wont let you understand. your probably jim lampley anyway so continue to ignore all the signs that your hero might be a cheater if that makes you feel better. we all no you'll probably off yourself if that turns out to be true anyway. we all no you was tearing up after the knockout

For the Last time ,URINE Does NOT DETECT EVERYTHING
Blood does
so stfu about your dumbass unlimited urine
your boy had somethin to hide

i don't no why you are comparing the sensation of a tattoo and blood getting drawn. gettin blood drawn feels like a pinch, a tattoo burns like the ether in your soul after marquez crushed the buildings. if you can handle a friggin tattoo, you can handle a lil pinch. and pacquaio isnt scared of no damn needles in da first place

your the only cracker in this conversation so please stop
its clear as day



even the dumbest person can watch dis video and think somethin is up

the man said he had no problem doing testing as long as it wasnt da night before the fight

brian kenny brought up dat floyd said the cut off was 14 days and pacquaio started stutterning and making up more excuses

then he talks about gettin blood drawn before da morales fight and dat was da only reason he lost
even if you dont believe hes takin anything, atleast acknowledge how suspect it looks

these are your heros?

 

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nikkas still argue with Black_Jesus?

 

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nikkas still argue with Black_Jesus?

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

nikkas still argue with Black_Jesus?

brehs just use the ignore button

 

[JohnStarksMiddleFinger]

The Ring had the audacity to rank Adrian Broner #5 P4P???

Pound for Pound
All weights
Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Country: USA
Record: 43-0-0 (26 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 1 | Last Week: 2 | Weeks On List: 64
Titles: WBC welterweight, WBA jr. middleweight

Andre Ward

Country: USA
Record: 26-0-0 (14 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 2 | Last Week: 3 | Weeks On List: 86
Titles: RING, WBC, WBA super middleweight

2. Juan Manuel Marquez

Country: Mexico
Record: 55-6-1 (40 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 3 | Last Week: 6 | Weeks On List: 296
Titles: WBA, WBO jr. welterweight

3. Sergio Martinez

Country: Argentina
Record: 50-2-2 (28 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 4 | Last Week: 4 | Weeks On List: 136
Titles: RING, WBC middleweight

5. Adrien Broner

Country: U.S.
Record: 25-0-0 (21 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 5 | Last Week: NR | Weeks On List: 1
lightweight

6. Nonito Donaire

Country: Philippines
Record: 30-1-0 (19 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 6 | Last Week: 5 | Weeks On List: 188
Title: WBO, IBF jr. featherweight

7. Manny Pacquiao

Country: Philippines
Record: 54-5-2 (38 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 7 | Last Week: 2 | Weeks On List: 471
welterweight

8. Wladimir Klitschko

Country: Ukraine
Record: 59-3-0 (50 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 8 | Last Week: 7 | Weeks On List: 120
Titles: RING, IBF, WBO, WBA heavyweight

9. Timothy Bradley

Country: USA
Record: 29-0-0 (12 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 9 | Last Week: 8 | Weeks On List: 116
Titles: WBO welterweight

10. Robert Guerrero

Country: U.S.
Record: 31-1-1 (18 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 10 | Last Week: NR | Weeks On List: 1
welterweight

 

[Black_Jesus]

your dumb as fukk
do you no what the word proof means?
you have no proof that marquez took steroids
its speculation based off who he was working with
dat speculation has now turned into your opinion

a lot of us speculate that pacquaio is/was doing steroids for a variety of reasons that have been discussed over and over again to you .but your stanning just wont let you understand. your probably jim lampley anyway so continue to ignore all the signs that your hero might be a cheater if that makes you feel better. we all no you'll probably off yourself if that turns out to be true anyway. we all no you was tearing up after the knockout

For the Last time ,URINE Does NOT DETECT EVERYTHING
Blood does
so stfu about your dumbass unlimited urine
your boy had somethin to hide

i don't no why you are comparing the sensation of a tattoo and blood getting drawn. gettin blood drawn feels like a pinch, a tattoo burns like the ether in your soul after marquez crushed the buildings. if you can handle a friggin tattoo, you can handle a lil pinch. and pacquaio isnt scared of no damn needles in da first place

your the only cracker in this conversation so please stop
its clear as day

Brian Kenny interview Manny Pacquiao!! ASKS HIM WHY HE WONT TAKE THE TEST!!! - YouTube

even the dumbest person can watch dis video and think somethin is up

the man said he had no problem doing testing as long as it wasnt da night before the fight

brian kenny brought up dat floyd said the cut off was 14 days and pacquaio started stutterning and making up more excuses

then he talks about gettin blood drawn before da morales fight and dat was da only reason he lost
even if you dont believe hes takin anything, atleast acknowledge how suspect it looks

these are your heros?

Manny Pacquiao says he feels weak after giving blood hence why he didn't want to have blood drawn close to the fight or during a heavy part of his training.. Who are you or I to call him a liar because he didn't feel like he should have to subject himself to all this extra testing.. im suprised your homo ass was paying attention to what he was actually saying rather than trying to figure out the circumference of his head in the video

Bottom line, like I said, if Pac initially agreed to take the tests and lost all the pac haters would say he lost because he couldn't use roids for mayweather.. thats how baseless rumors work

Marquez decides to higher a criminal that makes undetectable steroids and isn't locked up only because he snitched on everyone involved and no one bats an eyelash smdh

 

[krackdagawd]

brehs just use the ignore button

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

I'm sorry but I can't take this kid seriously...

Roger watches the tape, Floyd doesn't. The basic premise is the same though. Floyd notices your tendencies then he works to take it away. Round 4, the straight right is landing and it's the same story we see with every Floyd fight.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Pound for Pound


10. Robert Guerrero

Country: U.S.
Record: 31-1-1 (18 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 10 | Last Week: NR | Weeks On List: 1
welterweight

They really hyping this nikka up...even Lampley was at Pac JMM 4

He needs atleast one more big win at 147 til I start believing hes a threat

 

[Black_Jesus]

nikkas still argue with Black_Jesus?

Yea.. they do


And they lose the argument everytime