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[Black_Jesus]

breh, dont sit here and argue with me about P4P because its subjective. it can go by personal feelings or metrics. Bradley nor JMM was NEVER top 3 one of the best fighters in my book. we can make lists based on who is undefeated. if thats the case yes, Bradley makes top 3...or at least did. but its more than that as you say. he got a gift against Pac which is now avenged. that was his best "win" by far. JMM really dont deserve to be top 3 because he has a top guys number. thats why @Skip b says all these rematches dont mean shyt. only so much credit you can get from beating one guy.

Brooklyn swept the Heat this season. Beat em 4 games. But who in their right mind thinks that Brooklyn is a top 5 fukkin NBA team? much less that they are any sort of contender?

How can you you not move Bradley up after beating 2 top 10 p4p fighters.. yea most think he got the gift but then he beat the shyt out of Marquez who just KOd Manny, regardless of who has who number, who else on yhe list beat two top 10 p4p guy in a row??

 

[Black_Jesus]

who are they gonna fight then? Prov again? a 5th fight with JMM? maybe Alvarado? how about Rios? the money train is still going. trust me. Manny will have had damn near 12 fights between himself, JMM, Bradley, and Morales by the time his career is over. if you need that many fights to clearly establish yourself over your opponents then clearly your ATG status is overstated.

Did Floyd not say Manny had to beat Timothy and Marquez again to be eligible to fight him??

 

[Skip b]

How can you you not move Bradley up after beating 2 top 10 p4p fighters.. yea most think he got the gift but then he beat the shyt out of Marquez who just KOd Manny, regardless of who has who number, who else on yhe list beat two top 10 p4p guy in a row??

I thought you've stated Timmy lost to Manny fight one, are you now giving him credit for that, to suit agendas

Not to mention it was a stretch to inculde JMM on any list at any time, people simply accepted just cause, we dont make the list though, who else gets credit for fighting bums, looking beatable vs bums and taking l after l vs Manny.....................

 

[surv2syn]

How can you you not move Bradley up after beating 2 top 10 p4p fighters.. yea most think he got the gift but then he beat the shyt out of Marquez who just KOd Manny, regardless of who has who number, who else on yhe list beat two top 10 p4p guy in a row??

once again, its subjective. some view it as a "what have you done lately scenario" such as you are suggesting. some view it as "he's been here and been doing this"
no problem with you saying Bradley was 3rd. I just never went that far because I dont equate it the same way.

I am saying this....beating a guy that you arguably beat the first time dont really call for a boost in rating. beating all opposition warrants that. if not, then you can just have Bradley and Manny keep fighting each other and alternating the #3 spot. doesnt work like that though. Bradley never done that much in his career to be measured with any ATGs. His biggest wins were the uglyfest against Alexander and the gift against Manny.

it goes both ways for me. if Floyd wouldve signed a rematch against Canelo, I'd been on his ass full force.[DOUBLEPOST=1397503760][/DOUBLEPOST]

Did Floyd not say Manny had to beat Timothy and Marquez again to be eligible to fight him??

and did Bradley not just meet with Floyd before the fight in private?

 

[Black_Jesus]

Double post

 

[Skip b]

once again, its subjective. some view it as a "what have you done lately scenario" such as you are suggesting. some view it as "he's been here and been doing this"
no problem with you saying Bradley was 3rd. I just never went that far because I dont equate it the same way.

I am saying this....beating a guy that you arguably beat the first time dont really call for a boost in rating. beating all opposition warrants that. if not, then you can just have Bradley and Manny keep fighting each other and alternating the #3 spot. doesnt work like that though. Bradley never done that much in his career to be measured with any ATGs. His biggest wins were the uglyfest against Alexander and the gift against Manny.

it goes both ways for me. if Floyd wouldve signed a rematch against Canelo, I'd been on his ass full force.[DOUBLEPOST=1397503760][/DOUBLEPOST]

and did Bradley not just meet with Floyd before the fight in private?

I thought about the Floyd thing also, I found it wierd that the news was kept under wraps by pretty much everyone, including boxing sites

Whether or not Arum or Mayweather gave him an envelope Bradley got paid though

 

[Black_Jesus]

once again, its subjective. some view it as a "what have you done lately scenario" such as you are suggesting. some view it as "he's been here and been doing this"
no problem with you saying Bradley was 3rd. I just never went that far because I dont equate it the same way.

I am saying this....beating a guy that you arguably beat the first time dont really call for a boost in rating. beating all opposition warrants that. if not, then you can just have Bradley and Manny keep fighting each other and alternating the #3 spot. doesnt work like that though. Bradley never done that much in his career to be measured with any ATGs. His biggest wins were the uglyfest against Alexander and the gift against Manny.

it goes both ways for me. if Floyd wouldve signed a rematch against Canelo, I'd been on his ass full force.[DOUBLEPOST=1397503760][/DOUBLEPOST]

and did Bradley not just meet with Floyd before the fight in private?

Im just saying you're criticizing Pac for fighting JMM a 5th time but thats exactly what Floyd said pac had to do for him to consider fighting him...

As far as Bradley.. He beat Pac then the guy who KO'd Pac.. that should've put him ahead of everyone on that list of nikkas who rarely fight anyone else on the p4p list let alone 2 in a row[DOUBLEPOST=1397504253][/DOUBLEPOST]@Skip b
now can you STFU bout gifs now

 

[Skip b]

Im just saying you're criticizing Pac for fighting JMM a 5th time but thats exactly what Floyd said pac had to do for him to consider fighting him...

As far as Bradley.. He beat Pac then the guy who KO'd Pac.. that should've put him ahead of everyone on that list of nikkas who rarely fight anyone else on the p4p list let alone 2 in a row

It's a pointless match, blame Manny for getting dropped and slept by a dude he arguably beat 3 times already, a dude that couldnt win a round off of Mayweather, and dude that from my eye test (fukk a judge) did not win one round vs Bradley.........


If Manny was still Manny and he had any fire, he would have wanted to avenge that himself, my kids ill see that embarrassing knockdown vs that average fighter, this aint a Mayweather thing, it's about Manny.....He wouldn't have cared about meeting JMM number after a brutal embarrassing knockdown


In regards to Bradley, Manny shouldnt have been top 2 p4p at that time anyway, he made a shot Mosley look like Pernell Whitaker on top of being knock down, then after that, he lost 10 rounds to JMM average ass who allegedly wasnt shyt at WW.........The big flaw in your reach of a equation, was Manny wasn't no damn top p4p fghter at that point.....If you want to cal him a top 2-3 p4p post Saturday, he earned that, Bradley did gift wrap that honor to him....................

 

[Newzz]

. if you need that many fights to clearly establish yourself over your opponents then clearly your ATG status is overstated.

I dont agree with this breh.


How many rematches did SRR have? And he's widely considered the Greatest fighter ever[DOUBLEPOST=1397504899][/DOUBLEPOST]

It's a pointless match, blame Manny for getting dropped and slept by a dude he arguably beat 3 times already, a dude that couldnt win a round off of Mayweather, and dude that from my eye test (fukk a judge) did not win one round vs Bradley.........


If Manny was still Manny and he had any fire, he would have wanted to avenge that himself, my kids ill see that embarrassing knockdown vs that average fighter, this aint a Mayweather thing, it's about Manny.....He wouldn't have cared about meeting JMM number after a brutal embarrassing knockdown


In regards to Bradley, Manny shouldnt have been top 2 p4p at that time anyway, he made a shot Mosley look like Pernell Whitaker on top of being knock down, then after that, he lost 10 rounds to JMM average ass who allegedly wasnt shyt at WW.........The big flaw in your reach of a equation, was Manny wasn't no damn top p4p fghter at that point.....If you want to cal him a top 2-3 p4p post Saturday, he earned that, Bradley did gift wrap that honor to him....................

You said that fight between Bradley and JMM was close though

 

[Skip b]

Im just saying you're criticizing Pac for fighting JMM a 5th time but thats exactly what Floyd said pac had to do for him to consider fighting him...

As far as Bradley.. He beat Pac then the guy who KO'd Pac.. that should've put him ahead of everyone on that list of nikkas who rarely fight anyone else on the p4p list let alone 2 in a row[DOUBLEPOST=1397504253][/DOUBLEPOST]@Skip b
now can you STFU bout gifs now

Exactly what I expected to see the 3 Manny highlights, and those are good shots, but he wasn't on no damn spaghetti legs Prov style......


Bradley still landed the harder shots, CLEARLY.....................................

 

[Skip b]

I dont agree with this breh.


How many rematches did SRR have? And he's widely considered the Greatest fighter ever[DOUBLEPOST=1397504899][/DOUBLEPOST]


You said that fight between Bradley and JMM was close though

Dont bring up SRR, not one one of us was watching him, using SRR to suit a argument is a clear blind dikkriding ass move.........................., and secondly HBO/ESPN is hoarding his fights for whatever reason, so expect some type of boxing fukkery to be involved in those matches......There is a reason they dont want the public to see these


SRL would have been a better example like Duran, to instantly show fight one was a hiccup, or a Mayweather Castillo same principal.......If you can't clearly beat someone clear in 4 fights thats a fukking pattern, and yes if Manny was that great of a fighter he would have showed that rose above JMM at a point, being that he didnt, one have to question whether his post odh 2nd prime was legit or smoke and mirrors, and as a unbiased Fan of Manny, I believe the latter about the shyt that went on the last fews year..........

 

[Skip b]

I dont agree with this breh.


How many rematches did SRR have? And he's widely considered the Greatest fighter ever[DOUBLEPOST=1397504899][/DOUBLEPOST]


You said that fight between Bradley and JMM was close though

Close because Bradley allowed it to be close, JMM wasn't doing shyt........They both threw and landed around the same amount of shots so anybody spewing that the JMM was close, we just have to take that one on the chin.....Bradley had another level he just failed to show it there IMO, he allowed JMM to cake walk doing nothing, and even as much back off knocking him down, thats where my criticism of Bradley went as far as that fight goes, but lets not act like I didnt pick Bradley to clearly dominate JMM and lets not act like I didnt say won nearly every watching along with yall.......My anger comes from wanting to close the book on JMM bum ass


On a ring generalship level Bradley was the puppeteer there, textbook boxing display

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

At least he held on to the truck.....

 

[yo moms]

It's a pointless match, blame Manny for getting dropped and slept by a dude he arguably beat 3 times already, a dude that couldnt win a round off of Mayweather, and dude that from my eye test (fukk a judge) did not win one round vs Bradley.........


If Manny was still Manny and he had any fire, he would have wanted to avenge that himself, my kids ill see that embarrassing knockdown vs that average fighter, this aint a Mayweather thing, it's about Manny.....He wouldn't have cared about meeting JMM number after a brutal embarrassing knockdown


In regards to Bradley, Manny shouldnt have been top 2 p4p at that time anyway, he made a shot Mosley look like Pernell Whitaker on top of being knock down, then after that, he lost 10 rounds to JMM average ass who allegedly wasnt shyt at WW.........The big flaw in your reach of a equation, was Manny wasn't no damn top p4p fghter at that point.....If you want to cal him a top 2-3 p4p post Saturday, he earned that, Bradley did gift wrap that honor to him....................

go watch the fight again or learn about boxing.

 

[patscorpio]

im actually surprised pac-bradley 2 is causing this argument...its pretty clear cut what happened, how it played it out, and who won the fight...ppl acting like its garcia-herrera or some shyt