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[Apollo Creed]

Yeah... I noticed that two nights ago when I was looking at the list of champs on ESPN app. Bud is still listed as the unified 147 lbs champ.

Bud is my guy but if he's going to campaign at 154 then he needs to drop the belts.

I think Fundora is going to drop the WBO and they'll set up him and Spence.

yeah the 147 belts being Free Opens up the door for big matches to be set up this Summer and Fall.

The Way I see it since Bud wants to be a free agent fine
1. Bud fights Josh Kelly for WBO
2.Bud does a money fight with Virgil Ortiz
3.But guns for the WBA or IBF to unify OR by this time Boots comes to 154 and him and Bud have a showdown
3.b he unifies with Errol/Tim/Fundora winner as I feel even if Tim and Fundora fight PBC will posture Errol for the WBC. Don't be shocked if we see Errol vs Keith this summer in a Grudge match in Dallas for some bullshyt WBC belt lol.

Bud maybe has a year left and he isn't getting Canelo. So IMO The path I listed gives him his biggest fights especially we don't know if Jermell Charlo is coming back and if he does will it be at 154 (plus he needs his own redemption arc).

 

[Apollo Creed]

What is going on with Bud right now? Does he even have a promoter?

He's coming off a career defining win and yet his career feels like it's in limbo with no progress.

Bud is bad for business, and at this point I think the industry rather he retire then do business for him.

If Bud postures a Mando, who is going to show the fight? I noticed Fundoras manager say who ever Fundora negotiates with they will make sure Sebastien is going to be treated like the Champ. That Coin flip bullshyt Bud pulled with Spence was insulting lol. Folks talk "people are scared" of Bud but no dude is bad business. Notice nobody complains about working with Canelo, Monster, or AJ. If you have the talent and can market then someone will invest in you.

People side eye Boots not going to BLK prime, but look at where BLK prime is now? People talk like Boxing is some government subsidized thing, but who the hell is going to put themselves in bed with bad business men and deals that don't make sense just for "legacy"?? These aren't "Im betting on myself" type situations like we see with Devin. And if we are being real depending how hard Bud presses the Mando thing he will look like a hypocrite if Sebastien chooses the rematch with Tim which is justified and the WBO belt has to be stripped (the same we he shyt on Boots for the same happening with the IBF). If Tim/Sebastionj say fukk the WBO belt then that is one thing.

 

[desjardins]

Crawford needs to vacate the 147 belts and stop holding the division up.

Used to feel like this but now that PBC is playing games again fukk it. Keep the belts hostage, might be the only leverage he has to force motion
Plus there is barely anyone at 147 to even "hold up". Boots and Stanionis have each other to fight if it's in house season again.

 

[desjardins]

Bud is bad for business

Half the reason Bud is bad for business is cause PBC has no incentive to pay him for whupping their young up and coming fighters asses. Let's keep it 100. Sure Bud probably has a financial base line PBC ain't used to paying guys but it's still sus that they didn't even attempt to get him under their wing and market and promote his last couple of prime years. People can say Bud ain't take advantage of his recent celebrity but on the same token PBC ain't take advantage of it either . They rather invest in a nikka who got destroyed in 4K and probably shouldn't even be fighting anymore. Between Spence and Fundora we bout to get the first legally blind PPV .
I think Bud will go where ever the money is right, him being bad for business just means he ain't settling for a slave deal.

 

[TheNig]

Bud is bad for business, and at this point I think the industry rather he retire then do business for him.

If Bud postures a Mando, who is going to show the fight? I noticed Fundoras manager say who ever Fundora negotiates with they will make sure Sebastien is going to be treated like the Champ. That Coin flip bullshyt Bud pulled with Spence was insulting lol. Folks talk "people are scared" of Bud but no dude is bad business. Notice nobody complains about working with Canelo, Monster, or AJ. If you have the talent and can market then someone will invest in you.

People side eye Boots not going to BLK prime, but look at where BLK prime is now? People talk like Boxing is some government subsidized thing, but who the hell is going to put themselves in bed with bad business men and deals that don't make sense just for "legacy"?? These aren't "Im betting on myself" type situations like we see with Devin. And if we are being real depending how hard Bud presses the Mando thing he will look like a hypocrite if Sebastien chooses the rematch with Tim which is justified and the WBO belt has to be stripped (the same we he shyt on Boots for the same happening with the IBF). If Tim/Sebastionj say fukk the WBO belt then that is one thing.

This is overblown for two reasons.

1. When it looked like the fight was initially falling apart, Crawford went and took the WBO Mando while Spence was chillin'.

2. Spence opting into the rematch but having to back out doesn't get talked about enough. It put things at a stalemate because no one really knew how fukked up he was until he posted the picture of him needing the eye surgery.

The IBF already knew what they were going to do after the fight because they weren't going to acknowledge the rematch. Just like the WBO knew what they were going to do as soon as Charlo stepped in the ring with Canelo.

Bud is in No Man's Land because the fight that should've happened, can't happen.

 

[UpAndComing]

Used to feel like this but now that PBC is playing games again fukk it. Keep the belts hostage, might be the only leverage he has to force motion
Plus there is barely anyone at 147 to even "hold up". Boots and Stanionis have each other to fight if it's in house season again.

Facts, 100% agree. It's funny people say his ""career is in limbo". He literally met with the WBO president last month in Puerto Rico so he can get leverage as a WBO mandatory

Bud had plans to go to 154 right after the Spence fight, but it was Spence who activated the rematch and dragged it out only to cancel it 5 months later. How is everyone conveniently forgetting this? Lol

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

Culcay will finally win one..he is tough and crafty as shyt

Canelo stans hoping Culcay doesn't win

 

[Apollo Creed]

Used to feel like this but now that PBC is playing games again fukk it. Keep the belts hostage, might be the only leverage he has to force motion
Plus there is barely anyone at 147 to even "hold up". Boots and Stanionis have each other to fight if it's in house season again.

this is idiotic thinking tbh lol. there is no big money at 147 and the biggest fight is Boots which Bud isn't going to fight. Bud has zero leverage right now, hence him "Waiting in line" vs calling shots. We already heard Fundoras manager say they will drop the WBO belt if they need to. That kills buds leverage right there. What's going to happen is Bud will go to purse bid and get paid chump change to fight Josh Kelly lol.

 

[Apollo Creed]

This is overblown for two reasons.

1. When it looked like the fight was initially falling apart, Crawford went and took the WBO Mando while Spence was chillin'.

2. Spence opting into the rematch but having to back out doesn't get talked about enough. It put things at a stalemate because no one really knew how fukked up he was until he posted the picture of him needing the eye surgery.

The IBF already knew what they were going to do after the fight because they weren't going to acknowledge the rematch. Just like the WBO knew what they were going to do as soon as Charlo stepped in the ring with Canelo.

Bud is in No Man's Land because the fight that should've happened, can't happen.

Spence and Bud agreed to move on after Spences surgery in Feb. We are in April now. Bud went to the WBO convention for a reason. The fact of the matter is Bud is going to have to take what he can get or retire. The simple fact PBC let Spence in the ring Saturday is literally telling the world they don't give a fukk about Bud and them funky ass belts lmfao.

I know y'all love bud but anyone not seeing this nikka has no options (to give him the money he thinks he deserves) is just playing dumb at this point.

Folks talking about vacating belts literally tells you "We don't care what you are talking about". Sebastian will already have WBO belt on his resume, look at how Floyd used to win belts then vacate right after and keep the belts of the sanctioning bodies who favored him most. We can't take away that Tim and Sebastian were both WBO champs at this rate, so them rematching and only the WBC being on the line doesn't really matter to them as the rematch is more on some "lets see who is really better this time with no obstacles" the belts are symbolic at this point.

 

[TheNig]

this is idiotic thinking tbh lol. there is no big money at 147 and the biggest fight is Boots which Bud isn't going to fight. Bud has zero leverage right now, hence him "Waiting in line" vs calling shots. We already heard Fundoras manager say they will drop the WBO belt if they need to. That kills buds leverage right there. What's going to happen is Bud will go to purse bid and get paid chump change to fight Josh Kelly lol.

And that makes no sense at all.

As a fight fan, why would I be excited about watching a dude fight for a title who was just embarrassed in his last fight?

 

[Apollo Creed]

And that makes no sense at all.

As a fight fan, why would I be excited about watching a dude fight for a title who was just embarrassed in his last fight?

Who are you referring to? The Tim/Fundora fight? Or Errol?

Like I said in the fight thread, I know y'all hate Errol and Hate PBC and all that jazz but the fact of the matter is Errol fills up AT&T stadium because he has a cult following in Texas. Any PPV sales would be icing on the cake more so than people being dependent on it to make money.

 

[TheNig]

Spence and Bud agreed to move on after Spences surgery in Feb. We are in April now. Bud went to the WBO convention for a reason. The fact of the matter is Bud is going to have to take what he can get or retire. The simple fact PBC let Spence in the ring Saturday is literally telling the world they don't give a fukk about Bud and them funky ass belts lmfao.

I know y'all love bud but anyone not seeing this nikka has no options (to give him the money he thinks he deserves) is just playing dumb at this point.

Folks talking about vacating belts literally tells you "We don't care what you are talking about". Sebastian will already have WBO belt on his resume, look at how Floyd used to win belts then vacate right after and keep the belts of the sanctioning bodies who favored him most. We can't take away that Tim and Sebastian were both WBO champs at this rate, so them rematching and only the WBC being on the line doesn't really matter to them as the rematch is more on some "lets see who is really better this time with no obstacles" the belts are symbolic at this point.

All we knew was Spence took a beating. No one knew the extent of the beating and the damage it caused until he posted that picture. Up until that point, all we knew was the rematch clause was activated.

Is Crawford out of options? Yes.
But that's because the option that was there couldn't do shyt. This is on Spence just as much as it's on Crawford.

Putting Spence in the ring after that is a complete disservice and most boxing outlets and fans have said as much. Only people think this is okay is PBC.

And if we're keeping it really funky, him jumping into the reeks of duck sauce. I thought his eye was fukked up? But he in the ring tryna fight a guy that's not the guy that took his 0?

 

[Apollo Creed]

All we knew was Spence took a beating. No one knew the extent of the beating and the damage it caused until he posted that picture. Up until that point, all we knew was the rematch clause was activated.

Is Crawford out of options? Yes.
But that's because the option that was there couldn't do shyt. This is on Spence just as much as it's on Crawford.

Putting Spence in the ring after that is a complete disservice and most boxing outlets and fans have said as much. Only people think this is okay is PBC.

And if we're keeping it really funky, him jumping into the reeks of duck sauce. I thought his eye was fukked up? But he in the ring tryna fight a guy that's not the guy that took his 0?

What are you even arguing at this point?

My statements is nobody thinks Bud is worth what he thinks he is. Spence getting in the ring was a sign the show has moved on, but still does not count out Spence could technically still get the lick back, but at this rate I would argue after all the shyt they went through to get the Bud fight done, they really don't care anymore and the people shytting on Spence and PBC are folks who don't even spend money on their product so who cares?

Bud is free to fight Boots and Reundispute 147 or fight Josh Kelly for the 154 WBO if Fundora vacates.

The fact of the matter is Spence is now taking action on his next steps so Bud is free to do the same. Spence is right, aint no line to wait in because the WBO belt can be dropped lol.

Bud still won't get the money he think he will get, and at this rate PBC was the last show in town and that bridge was clearly burned.

nikkas caping for a nikka who asked for fukking coin toss. At this point y'all can't be reasoned with so like I said in the fight thread see y'all in the 100 page thread on Spences next fight and good luck to Bud in his career.

 

[TheNig]

Who are you referring to? The Tim/Fundora fight? Or Errol?

Like I said in the fight thread, I know y'all hate Errol and Hate PBC and all that jazz but the fact of the matter is Errol fills up AT&T stadium because he has a cult following in Texas. Any PPV sales would be icing on the cake more so than people being dependent on it to make money.

You've been talking about this Errol title fight in Dallas like it's already been signed and sealed. Is this just speculation?

And hate or love has nothing to do with it. Put emotions to the side. Errol doesn't deserve a shot at a title right now because of what happened in July.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

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