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How is it odd considering Tim is a homegrown product of Top Rank? Tim IS top rank.

If Top Rank is part of the decision making process, of course they are going to select Tim over Andre if they have to choose between them.

I would expect any promoter to do the same for their fighter.

I highly doubt top rank had any say in this decision. This was an ESPN move. They've been doing mass layoffs across all sports fields. Laying off analysts who've been there 30 years. That's what makes it even more surprising considering ESPN has used ward for other sports programming outside of boxing. Tim never got that kind of respect at the network.

If anything, this actually makes me believe top rank's future at espn is coming to an end soon. ESPN will most likely do like HBO and get out the boxing game entirely. It's just not profitable for them and all the big names are with PBC now.
 

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Timothy Bradley was doing the fight breakdowns on the ESPN.com so it seems as though it made more sense to keep him as opposed to Andre. I don't know if he was actually writing the columns himself or someone was taking what he said and transcribing it but it seems as though ESPN wants people to do as many things as possible.

I'd imagine Disney felt like having two boxers on any telecast was overkill.
 

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Zanfer Promotions CEO Fernando Beltran, who co-promotes Mexican slugger Jaime Munguia, is interested in a possible fight with David Benavidez - but he makes it clear that his boxer is without question the A-side of the equation.
"I feel that Jaime is going to be the A-side in the equation with anyone, except Canelo Alvarez... in that situation we would accept being the B-side, but with Berlanga, with Benavidez, whoever they tell me, I'm positive Jaime would be the A-side and that's the way we want to proceed.”
 

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I highly doubt top rank had any say in this decision. This was an ESPN move. They've been doing mass layoffs across all sports fields. Laying off analysts who've been there 30 years. That's what makes it even more surprising considering ESPN has used ward for other sports programming outside of boxing. Tim never got that kind of respect at the network.

If anything, this actually makes me believe top rank's future at espn is coming to an end soon. ESPN will most likely do like HBO and get out the boxing game entirely. It's just not profitable for them and all the big names are with PBC now.

I believe Top Rank would have loved to keep both Ward and Bradley, but if they are put into a position where they have to choose, they're definitely choosing Bradley. Relationships definitely matter. We are talking about a guy that has damn near a 20 year relationship with the promotional company. You're seriously going to overlook this just because you think one guy is "better" then the other?

I am very aware that ESPN has had mass layoffs. I am probably a little more famaliar with Disney and the television industry in general. ESPN and Top Rank have a partnership. You are vey foolish if you believe Top Rank has absolutely no type of influence on who commentates their product. Once ESPN and Top Rank came to an agreement, they got Teddy out of there, and he had been with ESPN for over 20 years. Arum did not want him a part of his product.

I am not disputing that Ward has way more potential than Bradley. I truly believe he can be a valuable asset and should have had an expanded role. However, he was not going to be retained over Bradley.

Let's say if Ward were with PBC, and he was working with Keith Thurman. One of these guys must go, who do you think is going to be retained?

It's part of the value of being with that promotional company. They can show fighters that "hey, life after boxing we look after our guys."

I am definitely not going back and forth with you over this. However, I think you should reevaluate what you're saying. You truly don't think a world class promotional company like Top Rank had no say in keeping Bradley over Ward? It makes more wonder do you have any corporate experience whatsoever?
 
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Shakur is frustrated that nobody wants to step up..Jorge Linares answered it but the fan response was it would be too easy so he wants others to get some balls. Lol.




Why won’t he just take the Haney fight :patrice: Haney took the short money and conceded to damn near everything Kambosas wanted. Since Haney got all the belts take that 25% and then u beat him and be the king. He literally bringing less to the table than Haney did when he was with Kambosas.
 

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Why won’t he just take the Haney fight :patrice: Haney took the short money and conceded to damn near everything Kambosas wanted. Since Haney got all the belts take that 25% and then u beat him and be the king. He literally bringing less to the table than Haney did when he was with Kambosas.

I've been hearing rumors that Haney got the best of him in sparring.
 

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Why won’t he just take the Haney fight :patrice: Haney took the short money and conceded to damn near everything Kambosas wanted. Since Haney got all the belts take that 25% and then u beat him and be the king. He literally bringing less to the table than Haney did when he was with Kambosas.


Kambosas isn't a good enough fighter to beat Haney, therefore, it was worth taking that lopsided contract to become the king of the division.

However, Haney is a little too good for a fighter of Shakur's calibre to take short money. Anytime you have a potential super fight, even if it's just a big fight within the boxing world, both fighters need to be taken care of.

He's looking at it like "this is Haney vs Shakur, and this is all I'm getting?" It's just gotta make sense man. I know fans hate the business side of boxing, but no one is going to advise him to take 25% against Haney.
 

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Kambosas isn't a good enough fighter to beat Haney, therefore, it was worth taking that lopsided contract to become the king of the division.

However, Haney is a little too good for a fighter of Shakur's calibre to take short money. Anytime you have a potential super fight, even if it's just a big fight within the boxing world, both fighters need to be taken care of.

He's looking at it like "this is Haney vs Shakur, and this is all I'm getting?" It's just gotta make sense man. I know fans hate the business side of boxing, but no one is going to advise him to take 25% against Haney.

Well he shouldn’t be acting like he really want the fight then, Haney made it impossible for Kambosas to duck him after Loma pulled out. Shakur must really don’t fancy his chances of winning then. He been bothering that man on social media and u get offended by the offer. Just like how Usyk was agreeing to all type of stuff to try to get Fury in the ring, but dnt walk around saying u being ducked when u got an offer and a chance at 4 belts when u ain’t bringing nothing to the table.


Honestly at the end of the day Haney has no reason to give Shakur anything over 30%. Haney made sacrifices to get where he at and Shakur should do the same.
 

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I've been hearing rumors that Haney got the best of him in sparring.

Sparring ain’t the end all be all but from the old footage I seen Shakur had the slight edge but that maybe 1 session out of 20 or so idk. But He knows Haney is close to him in skills fasho.
 

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Just read Team Ruiz is demanding a 50/50 split and a rematch clause against Wilder.

It's time for Wilder to move on and focus on this AJ fight. That's all we care about it.

There's gotta be a bum out there at the PBC power plant with like a 19-9 round that can be a tuneup/sacrifice for Wilder, since he's adamant about this tuneup,
 

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Haney vs Shakur is the least marketable big fight at 35… Shakur hasn’t fought anyone at 35

Fight just doesn't really make sense yet.

Both young, one has one foot in the division other with one foot out. Both need to build their fanbases and leverage.

Dont blame him for not taking 25% either:hubie:
 
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