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[young yeesh]

I watched the Boots segment. Shawn doesn't like when people say Boots would "wipe out" some of these names when his resume isn't good enough to declare these premature victories. Shawn's like me where he has to see Boots get a notable win or two in a title fight or vs someone besides Lipinets. I know Boots has unordinary talent, and I know he CAN do it, but let me see it first

Dont blame Boots for the callout tho might as well

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I watched the Boots segment. Shawn doesn't like when people say Boots would "wipe out" some of these names when his resume isn't good enough to declare these premature victories. Shawn's like me where he has to see Boots get a notable win or two in a title fight or vs someone besides Lipinets. I know Boots has unordinary talent, and I know he CAN do it, but let me see it first

Dont blame Boots for the callout tho might as well

Ennis got an extreme work ethic, best attribute, aside from being nice with it too.

He going all the way.

 

[MikhailSaeed]

I remember back when they tried to get a National Boxing Commission pushed through congress.... now We can only dream

Imagine a world where normally all the top dudes were forced into a de facto tournament style playoff for undisputed. No promoters in bed with sanctioning committees, no backdoor deal tampering and corrupt sabatoging, no dirty PED shyt, No clown azz "franchise belt" bullshyt azz nonsense. Just the best fighting the best for all the marbles and the glory

Instead, the best guy in the entire division will likely get frozen out of a chance to prove himself and will have to switch classes. Cant stand the sport sometimes. Its maddening.

100% agree with you that it'd be great for us from a fan perspective but I think it'd benefit 95% of boxers too. There's only a handful of guys in boxing who sell off their name alone but in most other popular sports there's a tournament that people watch no matter whos competing. Olympics, champions league, superbowl, Wimbledon etc etc all generate money every year. This would tackle the "you make what you generate" issue someone else just mentioned because if fans just want to watch the tournament no matter whos in it you could be a no name guy and make nice money off a deep tournament run

A tournament would probably make the number of weight divisions reduce too because there's no way they can all be in the tournament

Obviously it will never happen though

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Kell Brook literally started to fade in round 2. By the end of round 6 he looked like he had been jumped and Spence was barely sweating. I'm tired of this narrative that Brook was giving Spence the business, Spence was whooping Brooks ass.

Spence that nikka. My favorite. But Brooke was definitely getting at him

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Spence that nikka. My favorite. But Brooke was definitely getting at him

Nah bro, Froch had Spence down 5-1 at the end of 6 and Brook was VISIBLY fading. nikka created a narrative that Spence was getting whooped on 'before the eye injury' which is a load of shyt.

 

[reservoirdogs]

The thing is though. Why would Luis Ortiz or Keith Thurman need more than a 1M guarantee in a non title fight? Forget PPV. For Ortiz Martin and Thurman Barrios. Are you telling me they deserve a bigger guarantee than 1M?

Broner’s argument is weak. These recent PPV examples are not generating more than 1M for their purse in NON ppv fights, so where would the revenue come from to pay these higher guarantees?

It’s not the model that’s the issue here.

And it sucks for the fans
PBC got too cocky with these PPVs, not as it'd directly affect me here where there's no PPV but in your interest, I hope they stop. Very poor benefit-cost ratio compared to some other models. Basically if u want to watch all these fights legal you already had to pay more for those two FOX PPVs (Thurman fight being 75 dollars and the Ortiz one being 40 dollars) than for an annual DAZN subscription (100 dollars there I believe) and we are only 6 weeks into 2022. Really a nonsense.

From 2015 to 2018 PBC/Haymon mostly stopped with the PPVs except when Mayweather fought. HBO still had its struggle PPVs then went out of boxing. And from 2019 for some reason, PBC started to air PPVs again and now we are at a point where even fight like Ortiz vs Martin or Thurman vs Barrios that wouldn't have been on a PPV even in the HBO struggle PPV era.

22 PPVs from 2019 to now and PBC has been involved in 19 of them. A far cry from "free boxing" which was their main message originally.

 

[Knicksman20]

I still feel a certain way in how he & his team did Edison Miranda that first fight

 

[patscorpio]

I still feel a certain way in how he & his team did Edison Miranda that first fight

thats why its great germany isnt shyt anymore within the boxing world anymore...miranda should have been champion that night and hes gotta be kidding me that taylor is a harder puncher than miranda

 

[Knicksman20]

thats why its great germany isnt shyt anymore within the boxing world anymore...miranda should have been champion that night and hes gotta be kidding me that taylor is a harder puncher than miranda

Miranda literally has this dude's jaw falling off his face

Between Ottke, Michalczewski & Abraham, no US fighter in their right mind was going out to Germany. Had Miranda been champ, maybe his career could've taken a different direction

 

[patscorpio]

Miranda literally has this dude's jaw falling off his face

Between Ottke, Michalczewski & Abraham, no US fighter in their right mind was going out to Germany. Had Miranda been champ, maybe his career could've taken a different direction

abraham ill give him for continuing but he almost had his career ended because his promoter made him continue smh

dont forget cats like marco huck too..USS had to KO him to keep his title cuz he was going to get fukked on the cards...shyt one of the worst things i ever watched was lamon brewster vs luan krasniqi

it was clear that lamon was brought over to job his belt..and they tried..every single time krasniqi was put down the ref wouldn't count or would do a long count....lamon had to damn near try to kill him before krasniqi quit on his own...its good that whole generation is finished

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

OG boxing heads, how was fighters like Bhop and Winky Wright seen? As in, was people skipping over them saying they don’t make money blah blah blah..They was fighters who wasn’t necessarily exciting I doubt they was super stars maybe Bhop but idk, so how did they get big fights? Or was the fighters back then just a different breed?

Nowadays fighters like Haney and Stevenson(he fighting Valdez now but still he was begging for that fight atleast 18months ago maybe 2 years) be begging for big fights and ignorant boxing fans who think they get a cut actually repeat shyt like so and so don’t make money..

Is this a new era thing or it’s been like this?

And of course it’s a lot of going on too…you never heard that about no white fighter or Mexican

 

[Knicksman20]

abraham ill give him for continuing but he almost had his career ended because his promoter made him continue smh

dont forget cats like marco huck too..USS had to KO him to keep his title cuz he was going to get fukked on the cards...shyt one of the worst things i ever watched was lamon brewster vs luan krasniqi

it was clear that lamon was brought over to job his belt..and they tried..every single time krasniqi was put down the ref wouldn't count or would do a long count....lamon had to damn near try to kill him before krasniqi quit on his own...its good that whole generation is finished

You're right I forgot about Huck. I remember the Krasniqi fight. Lamon damn near decapitated dude & was DOWN on the scorecards before the stoppage. Germany being Germany

 

[patscorpio]

OG boxing heads, how was fighters like Bhop and Winky Wright seen? As in, was people skipping over them saying they don’t make money blah blah blah..They was fighters who wasn’t necessarily exciting I doubt they was super stars maybe Bhop but idk, so how did they get big fights? Or was the fighters back then just a different breed?

Nowadays fighters like Haney and Stevenson(he fighting Valdez now but still he was begging for that fight atleast 18months ago maybe 2 years) be begging for big fights and ignorant boxing fans who think they get a cut actually repeat shyt like so and so don’t make money..

Is this a new era thing or it’s been like this?

And of course it’s a lot of going on too…you never heard that about no white fighter or Mexican

middleweight division was very different in bhop's reign..but bhop was the best of middles in the latter half of the 90s...bhop wasnt avoided but his comp left a lot to be desired..in fact i pointed out the similarities on occasion between him and GGG's reign but nikkas didnt want to know the ledge nor could they give a logical response back to me without being pressed..but i digress ...anyways bhop was promoted by don king and so was one tito trinidad...when tito wanted to move up to middle don king put together a MW tournament of the WBC/WBA/IBFchamps thinking (well ahead that tito was going to win and wanted tito to win)

bhop vs keith holmes in a terrible fight and unification and tito vs joppy who he destroyed for joppy's belt..unfortunately for donking the winner he wanted didnt happen...that kickstarted bhop in the mainstream boxing at 36 smh..fukking don king..and thats why bhop years later said that he was happy that he ended don king's reign a top american promoter when he beat tavoris cloud for his belt

winky was flat out avoided cuz his style was difficult and it wasnt fan friendly...his close fight with fernando vargas where he prolly should have won made ppl avoid him even more..if it wasnt for shane mosley gambling and wanting to unify winky wouldn't have gotten a break..then like bhop he got the tito fight and schooled tito something serious ...unfortunately winky's business sense in his fights after would make sure his mainstream boxing wave would be short like leprechauns

 

[patscorpio]

You're right I forgot about Huck. I remember the Krasniqi fight. Lamon damn near decapitated dude & was DOWN on the scorecards before the stoppage. Germany being Germany

yup..that was all don king too...how much of a scumbag don king was can never be under stated lol...king made him go to germany cuz he wanted a white heavyweight champion...why do you think lamon fought the guys he fought in his reign? ..king also made him go into the ring with eye issues against liakhovich and well thats that..but don king slander is for another day

fukk germany in that time

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

Preciate the breakdown

Bhop and GGG reign was about the same except that Gs reign was more exciting.

He need to just take tips from then and just keep defending his belt to any and everybody but then again people who in line for his belt ain’t really in a rush to fight him. How you have to beg the fighters that suppose to fight the elimination bout to go ahead and fight you the champ..boxing is a crazy world.

It’s too bad Haney aint got a Tito to beat up on…no relief in site for the breh