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How come folks say Wilder cant box? Im still a noob training wise but from footwork, mechanics etc he seem solid. And he has absurd KO power.

I told my pro homie nikkas said he cant box and he looked at me crazy lol. Said he got a bronze medal he like 38-1 or some shyt, he cant outbox Fury but that dont mean he cant box.

Im just wondering cuz Ive seen this narrative for years and now getting into training Im trying to understand why people hate on his skills, since he obviously has some.

Cause he doesn't box the way they think he's supposed to box..he boxes how he wants and remained successful for 5 years, 10 title defenses.. so they just talk a bunch of shyt till he finally takes a loss they can now say "see I told ya"
 

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How come folks say Wilder cant box?

cause of shyt like this
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it's relative obviously. When the level of opp rose some of his limitations stood out more (even in cases where he won like the Ortiz fights)
 

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Your mini survey with your co-workers mean shyt, man, it's not a representative sample. 6 ppl for fukk's sake :mjlol:


Joshua has like 10 millions more followers on Instagram but Wilder is more famous, yeah, alright :russ:
Joshua also sells more tickets in his own, earns more, etc...

Wilder is likely more famous in the US and that's it,but not even sure about that tbh
one Instagram followers or whatever means people who actually like you. Many People do not like Wilder, so those people are not going to follow him.. so that does not equate with how known they are. I in no way at all mean to say that Wilder was a bigger star before this fight, neither. But the controversy around this fight alone has made people familiar with both him amd Tyson Fury who did not know them before. Because of the controversy of this fight, it is going to do incredibly larger numbers than the previous fight and any fight this year with the exception of of course a big Canelo fight or other American Boxers. Wilders fights compared to the quality match making wise and performance and skill are hella stale compared to Joshua, so his numbers and popularity was waaay lower. I am talking about post Wilder amd Tyson 2 only.. People are not more excited to see him amd Joshua. And I wasn’t saying my lil survey proves anything, but obviously I’m going to ask the Japanese people around me who they know. Why wouldn’t I? The point is it’s a bigger fight and better to fight and make millions off both fights than to lose millions in court because you don’t want to honor your agreement in which your promoter delayed the fight in the first place due to concerns for ticket numbers. I want to see both fights ...


and I am far greater a fan of Joshua by miles... I didn’t watch any of Wilders fights before the last one, but I’m more excited because of all the drama that’s led up to this final rematch
 
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cause of shyt like this
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it's relative obviously. When the level of opp rose some of his limitations stood out more (even in cases where he won like the Ortiz fights)

I mean, the fight was over by then though. Im just saying if someone played...tennis and got a medal in the olympics. Would you be able to say they cant play tennis :mjlol:

Maybe Im missing something here. Im sure you can also find a lot of clips of him being fundamentally sound too.
 

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I mean, the fight was over by then though. Im just saying if someone played...tennis and got a medal in the olympics. Would you be able to say they cant play tennis :mjlol:

Maybe Im missing something here. Im sure you can also find a lot of clips of him being fundamentally sound too.

bruh you had a hard time being convinced that jake paul could beat nate robinson and ben askren even with enough evidence to go by :heh:
 

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I mean, the fight was over by then though. Im just saying if someone played...tennis and got a medal in the olympics. Would you be able to say they cant play tennis :mjlol:

Maybe Im missing something here. Im sure you can also find a lot of clips of him being fundamentally sound too.

It's a far cry from the skill set of heavyweights from past eras. I'll pose this question: if Wilder didn't have ATG power, would you think he was a good boxer? Does Wilder have the boxing skills to win a 12 round fight via decision against any of the top heavyweights?


Of course he can box when compared to the average person, but as a professional it leaves A LOT to be desired. Just look at how Fury took advantage of Deontay's poor footwork to knock him down in the rematch --- Fury is not a power puncher, Wilder wasn't hurt. He just positioned himself so poorly that Fury only needed to tap him for Wilder to go down.

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Opposition becomes a glaring issue as well. For as good as the Ortiz win was in 2018, Wilder didn't rack up more wins against good opposition. It's easy to look skilled against jobbers, but how do you look against top comp. We've only seen Wilder go against Fury and Ortiz.

And, I mean, credit to Wilder for sticking to his strongest asset, right? But that's also what made him vulnerable to Fury.
 
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bruh you had a hard time being convinced that jake paul could beat nate robinson and ben askren even with enough evidence to go by :heh:

My disdain for that cac clouded my better judgement :yeshrug:

40 pro fighters got beat by someone who cant box then. Make it make sense ahch. Theres less than ten or so dudes on earth you could say "yea they could probs beat Wilder in a boxing match"

I just never got the hate. Dude has to have some serious skills to make it that far even with the whole one punch man shyt.
 

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It's a far cry from the skill set of heavyweights from past eras. I'll pose this question: if Wilder didn't have ATG power, would you think he was a good boxer? Does Wilder have the boxing skills to win a 12 round fight via decision against any of the top heavyweights?


Of course he can box when compared to the average person, but as a professional it leaves A LOT to be desired. Just look at how Fury took advantage of Deontay's poor footwork to knock him down in the rematch --- Fury is not a power puncher, Wilder wasn't hurt. He just positioned himself so poorly that Fury only needed to tap him for Wilder to go down.

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Opposition becomes a glaring issue as well. For as good as the Ortiz win was in 2018, Wilder didn't rack up more wins against good opposition. It's easy to look skilled against jobbers, but how do you look against top comp. We've only seen Wilder go against Fury and Ortiz.

And I mean, credit to Wilder for sticking to his strongest asset, right? But that's also what made him vulnerable to Fury.

But he does have ATG power so its a logical step he based his skills around that :yeshrug:

Fury a way better boxer than Wilder so I mean. Shouldnt that be expected? I didnt say he was the best at boxing just that he can box. Hell, he even landed on Fury in first match and it took a act of god to bring him back.


I just never got the hate thats all. Naw hes not Ali or anything but flat out saying he cant box seems a bit much.
 

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But he does have ATG power so its a logical step he based his skills around that :yeshrug:

Fury a way better boxer than Wilder so I mean. Shouldnt that be expected? I didnt say he was the best at boxing just that he can box. Hell, he even landed on Fury in first match and it took a act of god to bring him back.


I just never got the hate thats all. Naw hes not Ali or anything but flat out saying he cant box seems a bit much.


It’s the same as calling someone riding the bench in the NBA a bum ... but that bum would dunk all over your ass at the YMCA

Wilder has one punch power like we never seen

the problem is he fell in love with his power N ignored errything else

watch his first fight for the WBC against Steverine... he was on the right path then as far as boxing goes

there’s a reason why Wilder is posting IG videos jabbing N throwing crisp combinations in living rooms now
 

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My disdain for that cac clouded my better judgement :yeshrug:

40 pro fighters got beat by someone who cant box then. Make it make sense ahch. Theres less than ten or so dudes on earth you could say "yea they could probs beat Wilder in a boxing match"

I just never got the hate. Dude has to have some serious skills to make it that far even with the whole one punch man shyt.

his skillset basically is centered around throwing a right hand....and it never progressed past that point...so when cuffs started coming off from his competition his flaws were glaring and these were against fighters that werent high level..the molinas and szpilkas and washington were giving him problems..and then the right hand was rescuing him...it was a pattern...the L was going to come..personally i didnt think it would be against a fury who was coming off candy, drugs, and mental illness who dropped nearly 150 lbs but hey thats boxing :pachaha:

fury beat him 2 different ways...wilder didnt make any real adjustments outside of stop throwing his right hand above his fury's head late in the first fight...that looks poorly on his ring IQ..pros do get away from fundamentals and/or fall in love with their power..it happens...thats deontay wilder...the question is now can he actually change late in his career..he turns 36 this year...his physical gifts will fade soon enough..and thats what ppl really go :jbhmm: at if he would survive or be successful
 
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