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MICHAEL NUNN
May 10, 1991/John O’Donnell Stadium, Davenport, Iowa
Titles: IBF middleweight

“I wasn’t even supposed to fight Michael Nunn in ’91. He was supposed to fight (mandatory contender) Reggie Johnson. Didn’t happen. Then Steve Collins was supposed to get the shot. Didn’t happen. So, when they came to me with (the opportunity), I told (manager) Jackie (Kallen), ‘You better take this damn fight. I’m going to knock him out.’ She was nervous about it because Nunn was a star – he was supposed to be pound-for-pound and all that – but I didn’t care. I’m a dog. I’m coming to get you no matter who you are, even in your hometown like I did Nunn. I told Michael this at the last press conference on Wednesday, and he tried to say something back and put his hand on me. I picked the motherfukker up and threw him on the table. I told him, ‘You touch me again, I’ll kill you.’ But I knew it would be a difficult fight, because I had never fought a southpaw before. So, I trained diligently for eight weeks. I sparred every day. But come fight night, Michael had me so mad that for the first five rounds, I was trying to knock him out with one shot. Before the sixth round, Bill slapped me and told me to get back on our game. I started putting punches together – three, four and five at a time – and wearing him down. Everything changed after the fifth round. I told Bill after the seventh round, ‘Pops, I got him. He won’t make it,’ because I started getting to his body and I could hear him grunt every time I hit him there. Before the 11th round I said, ‘Pops, I’m getting him this round.’ He was ready to go.”

RESULT: TONEY TKO 11

MIKE MCCALLUM
December 13, 1991/Convention Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey
Titles: IBF middleweight

“Mind you, nobody wanted any part of McCallum. Mind you, Michael Nunn didn’t want any part of McCallum. Mind you, McCallum was trained by Eddie Futch. Mind you, McCallum had trained at Kronk. And I didn’t give a damn. At first, I thought he was old, and I was getting ready to bum rush him in the ring. But Bill had worked with him at Kronk, and he told me, ‘You can’t do that. You can’t just run in on a veteran like McCallum. Listen to me, son. We’re going to get to him with smart pressure.’ Pressure busts pipes. And that’s what happened to him. I settled down, I picked and picked at him – pop, pop, pop – and then we came on strong (down the stretch). I thought I won the fight, everybody did, but they gave me a draw. I grew up in that fight. Before then, I tried to knock everyone out, but with Mike, I had to be careful so I wouldn’t get set up. I was more well-rounded after that fight, and that’s why Mike didn’t want to commit in the rematch. I was a slicker fighter; I was moving him, turning him into punches, and I also had more confidence. I knew Mike McCallum was a great fighter, but I knew I was better. And he knew I had that hot sauce for him in the rematch, which is why he ran.”

RESULT: SPLIT DRAW

IRAN BARKLEY
February 13, 1993/Caesars Palace, Las Vegas
Titles: IBF super middleweight

“The first thing I remember about that fight was the press conferences, back when they did real press junkets, city to city. Barkley was crazy. He was trying to fight right there at the press conference in each city, and I obliged him. When we got to L.A. for the final press conference, things got out of hand. Iran actually had a blade, like his nickname, and he acted like he was trying to stab somebody. But I wasn’t playin’. I tried to grab a gun from a security officer. (Barkley) got mad about that, but I don’t play that shyt. That was my first big Las Vegas fight, and I trained in L.A. Every day, I ran at Griffith Park up to the Hollywood sign. Every day. Believe me, I didn’t like L.A. back then. I wasn’t enamored with Hollywood and all that shyt, so I wasn’t happy. I was hoping Barkley would try to back up all the street-gang talk in the ring, because it didn’t mean shyt to me. I was built for this, and I knew I was gonna put it on him, because I had problems with him and his trainer, Eddie Mustafa (Muhammad). I wanted to knock Eddie out, too. I had fun whuppin’ Barkley’s ass. I was at my best for that fight, and I had my stamina back because I was fighting at 168 pounds. Everybody forgets I used to play football in high school. I was 205 pounds. I came down to 157 to turn pro because everybody told me that I had to fight at middleweight. But to make 160, I couldn’t eat the week of the fight. So, I was strong for Barkley, and he paid for that. I cut him up. It was bloody. I probably broke parts of his face.”

RESULT: TONEY TKO 9




CHARLES WILLIAMS
July 29, 1994/MGM Grand, Las Vegas
Titles: IBF super middleweight

“He was a strong fighter, very strong. He was determined. He was taking the shots I was giving to him and coming back with his own. I fought the first half of the fight on the ropes, and I know people were thinking, ‘What the hell is he doing there, letting this big, strong dude hit him?’ But I could take his punches, and I was blocking most of them. People thought I was getting beat up. My eye was swollen, but he was coming in with his head and he had something in his hair, maybe Jheri Curl, and that got in my eye. But I knew what I was doing, and I knew I was hurting him with body shots and uppercuts. I could tell I was getting to him by the fourth or fifth round. But he kept coming. Just before the 12th round came, I said, ‘Bill, I’m about to knock him out. It’s coming.’ Bill said, ‘Nah, we got the win. Just move around.’ Man, fukk that. I’m hard-headed. I wanted to do things my way and knock this motherfukker out. And boom! That right hand came. Lights out. Everything Bill Miller taught me over the years worked in that fight. I was taught to weaken my foes and then take advantage of them. I would slip and counter in the first half (of a fight), just touch them with accurate punches, and then land the power down the stretch. I wore my opponents down mentally, too, because I always talked to them. I’d say anything, I’d talk about their mommas, just to get in their head. But Charles didn’t talk back.”

RESULT: TONEY KO 12

VASSILIY JIROV
April 26, 2003/Foxwoods Casino, Mashantucket, Connecticut
Titles: IBF cruiserweight

“He was an Olympic gold medalist. They made him the best fighter (Val Barker Award winner) at those Olympics (1996 Games). He was undefeated. He was the cruiserweight champ. He had Tommy Brooks and Thel Torrance in his corner. But what the fukk did I care? We ain’t amateurs. This is the pros. What was he going to show me that I hadn’t already seen? Were Tommy and Thel going to fight for him? I had my experience. I had Freddie Roach and Pops (John Arthur) in my corner. Jirov’s team made it easy work for me, because they thought he could break me down with pressure. They thought he could hurt me to the body. They didn’t think I was a real cruiserweight, even though they said I wasn’t going to make the weight. Everybody made me the underdog, but it didn’t matter. The only thing I remember about the fight itself was that I was war-ready. Anything and everything, I was ready for it. I trained like a deranged dog for that fight. I had him down in the 12th round and almost had him knocked out, just like Charles Williams. But I made my point. I will outbox the boxer, like I did Mike McCallum, and I will out-slug the slugger, like I did Iran Barkley. I can box and I can punch, but I would rather punch.”

RESULT: TONEY UD 12



EVANDER HOLYFIELD
October 4, 2003/Mandalay Bay Casino, Las Vegas
Titles: Non-title bout

“I was confident going into that fight, because I was at the weight that I should have been my whole career. I was strong and I had another great camp. I couldn’t wait for that fight. I was a fan of Holyfield. Before we sat down for the opening press conference at a steakhouse in Burbank, I told John (Arthur), ‘Pops, I’m going to be cool for this one, because I love Holyfield.’ But when Holyfield said I would be a good tune-up fight for him, I said, ‘Pops, all bets are off. fukk Evander Holyfield.’ All respect I had for him went out the window, and I told him right to his face I was going to kick his ass. That made me step my training camp up a couple notches. I wanted to show everybody not only am I going to knock him out, but I belong at heavyweight, and I can even be heavyweight champion.”

RESULT: TONEY TKO 9
 

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the thing is breh...147 hasn't been moving like that for years...ive said it for at least 5 years now that 147 wasn't it..thats why im not trippin on whats going on lol...last year you saw the division actually move a little and then it went right back to form lol

130, 160, and CW im more concerned about them cooling off recently...but i cant care on how welterweight moves anymore..until they give me a consistent back to back years of fades
147 was more off hype of the bames than anything else. 2019 was the first year in a hot min the WW division made traction
 

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I need to record a soundbite of me talking, that's how Dallas nikkas talk bruh. You aint hear all them other nikkas slurring they words and shyt just like him.
yeah ...hell errol and yungstar got the same sandy squirrel like lisp and lazy tongue...




u would swear them nikkas brothers...always said them 2 nikkas are twins..
 

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I think Ruiz/Whyte/Povetkin would end Martin’s renaissance. But he slowly earned his way back to those kind of fights so it’s fair to give him a shot vs one of those dudes.

A fight I’d like Charles Martin vs Oscar Rivas

martin vs rivas would be an interesting fight...i still see rivas as undefeated because theres still too much BS around whyte's failed test
 

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BEST I FACED: JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ
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BY ANSON WAINWRIGHT
Julio Cesar Chavez was one of the best fighters ever from Mexico. When he was active, “El Gran Campeon” was revered in his homeland to such an extent that 132,000 people showed up to one of his title defenses.

Chavez, known for his debilitating left hook to the liver, iron will and granite chin, won seven world titles in three weight classes and went unbeaten in his first 90 bouts.

He won his first world title by stopping Mario Martinez in eight rounds for the vacant WBC junior lightweight title in 1984 and made nine successful defenses over the next three years.

But it was when he stepped up to lightweight that he feels his star grew exponentially. He said his 11th-round knockout of Puerto Rican power-puncher Edwin Rosario for the WBA belt in 1987 was his finest performance.

“I had a lot of great fights where at the end of the night I made it look easy,” he said, “but if we’re going to look at one fight that shot me to another level, it was the Edwin Rosario fight.”

Chavez added the WBC 135-pound title in a unification bout by outpointing countryman Jose Luis Ramirez in 1988 before moving up to junior welterweight, where he would stop Roger Mayweather in 10 rounds to win the WBC belt.

Chavez thrived at 140, reigning for 4½ years and making 12 successful title defenses. It was during that period, in 1990, that he added the IBF title by famously stopping Meldrick Taylor with two seconds remaining in a fight he was losing.

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Chavez (left) battered Camacho (right) over 12 rounds. Photo from The Ring archive

Chavez would also beat the likes of Hector Camacho, Greg Haugen and Terence Alli before facing a monumental challenge in Pernell Whitaker in 1993 for the WBC welterweight title and pound-for-pound bragging rights before a pro-Chavez crowd at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. Most believed Whitaker won the fight, but Chavez escaped with a draw.

That wasn’t the case the following year when Chavez took on Frankie Randall, who dropped the great champion and handed him his first defeat, by a split decision. Chavez won a technical decision four months later to regain his crown and stopped Taylor in eight rounds four months after that.

That was in effect Chavez’s last hurrah. He was stopped in four rounds by a young Oscar De La Hoya in 1996 in a passing-of-the-torch fight and would fall four more times – against De La Hoya again at welterweight, Willy Wise, Kostya Tszyu and Grover Wiley – before calling it quits.

In the end, Chavez (107-6-2, 86 KOs) fought the best fighters at and around his weight yet compiled one of the most remarkable records in boxing history. He took part in 37 world title fights, more than any other man in history.

“In my day I fought against the best,” he said “I can’t say I wish I had fought Sugar Ray Leonard because he was way above my weight class or Roberto Duran because they were just way above me in weight. I think in my career I took on the best and beat them all.

“I think my greatest achievement is getting to 90 [fights) as an undefeated fighter. I believe that of all the things I’ve done the fact I could withstand 13 years of the best challenges, that’s my great accomplishment.”

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(From left to right) WBC president Jose Sulaiman, Chavez and promoter Don King. Photo from The Ring archive

Chavez attributed his inability to win a 147-pound title to his size.

“I just have to be honest, welterweight wasn’t my weight. I couldn’t make 147 even if I tried. For De La Hoya (in the second fight) and Whitaker I made 144½ and 142 pounds and I had eaten breakfast that morning.”

Today, Chavez works for ESPN Deportes and TV Azteca. He also provides guidance to his son, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Away from boxing, he has established two drug rehabilitation clinics in Mexico.

He graciously agreed to speak to The Ring about the best he faced in 10 key categories.

BEST SKILLS

Meldrick Taylor: He had every skill you need as a fighter, his speed, quickness, power, all you could ask for.

BEST JAB

Oscar De La Hoya: Because he was tall and used it to mark his range.

BEST DEFENSE

Pernell Whitaker: He was very elusive, and although I thought he was a dirty fighter, beyond that he was just hard to find and especially hard to hit.

BEST CHIN

Hector Camacho Sr. And Edwin Rosario: I threw everything at them and they kept coming.

BEST PUNCHER

Rosario: Anywhere he hit me it hurt. Frankie Randall was also a hard puncher. [Against Rosario] it was my youth, it was the fact I was in my prime, it all helped me get through that fight.

FASTEST HANDS

Taylor: It was definitely Meldrick Taylor. I would land one shot and I would take four in return. He was quick. More than anything it was the fact he had real quick hands. By the time I landed one real power shot I was taking five, six in return. They weren’t hard shots, they weren’t power shots, but I couldn’t get in my range, I couldn’t get established. In that fight I made a big mistake, which was trying to fight at his pace. That’s why down the stretch I was exhausted, I was completely exhausted. I found a way to do it but I was done.

FASTEST FEET

Camacho: It was Hector “Macho” Camacho who had the best footwork. He just dominated the way he walked around the ring. He knew where he was moving, he wouldn’t let you find him. And more than anything he was a marathon man the way I see it. He just was not there to be hit. But in the ninth round he stood and fought, so he was a macho man because he did stand there and took the shots.

SMARTEST

Whitaker: He was very intelligent. And then there was Oscar De La Hoya, who knew how to use his advantage in height and his distance. I think he was very intelligent in the ring.

STRONGEST

Jose Luis Ramirez: He was a southpaw who not only took a good shot but he gave a good shot. The fact he could land a punch and hurt you and take a punch and not be hurt, that was his greatest virtue.

BEST OVERALL

Taylor: I faced everybody. If you look at my record, all the fights I had, I had 37 world championship fights and I didn’t hand pick any opponents. But if I was to look at the best overall fighter, it would have to be Meldrick Taylor.
 
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