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[reservoirdogs]

Espinosa confirming that the reported fight purses are bogus

ehh, not sure about that...

This DAZN stuff and Hearn's new business is all wrong for them on Showtime, since they are openly going for fighter w/o promoters and those mostly happened to be Showtime fighters. Hearn with his NY conference basically announced that he's going for Showtime's throat that was obvious to anyone who reads between the lines just a little.
So I'd think the Sho executive would say this on social media regardless if it's true or not. He wants to appear as competent as possible because on paper they have nowhere near the budget Hearn has now.

I can still imagine that they pay more for some of their star fighters unofficially idk but based on his should we assume now that all these guys on every channel make more than what's official?

 

[reservoirdogs]

Broner's a dumb ass for calling this a slave contract though, like what are you talking about, getting paid more than 6 millions a year as a B level fighter whose clock is ticking by the minute, that's not a slave contract. Besides that posting a contract on social media is unprofessional as hell, not that he would care about being professional...

Anyway, Hearn should forget about overpaying the likes of Chavez Jr. and Broner and offer this kind if money or probably even less instead to fighters who also don't have a promoter but more professional and don't have such a high profile that Haymon would give them basically everything just to stay (I'd imagine, Spence, Broner and Wilder falls in that category, maybe Swift too). Like the Charlos, Porter, Thurman, Prograis, Hurd, etc...

 

[reservoirdogs]

speaking of that...

 

[yawn]

Them Haymon under the table checks gotta be FAT

There are no under the table checks

A fighter who owns their rights are entitled to a % of all revenue he generates

While others have upwards of 3 promoters and a manager taking near 50% of the flat fee they're given

Why would Broner cap his earning potential and sign his rights away for less then he makes now

He's smarter than y'all think

nikka couldn't wait to run online and post a private email to social media, hoes these days

Hearn is a well documented liar

Broner doesn't expose the offer and Hearn comes out saying he rejected a $20M offer

You'd be dumb enough to believe it

Broner's smarter than yall think

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Hearn is a fan of the Charlo twins.

 

[aceboon]

ehh, not sure about that...

This DAZN stuff and Hearn's new business is all wrong for them on Showtime, since they are openly going for fighter w/o promoters and those mostly happened to be Showtime fighters. Hearn with his NY conference basically announced that he's going for Showtime's throat that was obvious to anyone who reads between the lines just a little.
So I'd think the Sho executive would say this on social media regardless if it's true or not. He wants to appear as competent as possible because on paper they have nowhere near the budget Hearn has now.

I can still imagine that they pay more for some of their star fighters unofficially idk but based on his should we assume now that all these guys on every channel make more than what's official?

Obviously not every purse, but for alot of Haymon's featured guys who are being highlighted as the faces of PBC, yes I do believe they are getting more than the purses reported by the commissions. For example I highly doubt Spence only got the reported $1.2M to fight Peterson.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Obviously not every purse, but for alot of Haymon's featured guys who are being highlighted as the faces of PBC, yes I do believe they are getting more than the purses reported by the commissions. For example I highly doubt Spence only got the reported $1.2M to fight Peterson.

yeah I agree, we heard news about Spence considered to sign to TR or something but Haymon pulled a last minute offer of 3.5 millions to let him stay if I recall correctly and he eventually stayed. Question is how long though... that rather seemed like some short term emergency solution than a long term plan.
Spence is one of them PBC fighters who openly expressed that they are not satisfied with the lack of dates.
He got a date now for June after January though so he might be ok now, idk...

Hearn has the most chance to sign him and Mikey (mostly Mikey) out of the big PBC names imo, not Wilder probably because the animosity there is too big already and there are racial undertones to it too based on what Wilder said about Hearn being a white man exploiting Joshua. So the gap might be to big there already to bridge it with any kind of money.

I also don't think Danny Garcia would be realistic, Swift just looking too comfortable to me, I don't think he cares/wants to fight 3 times a year at this point.

Spence and especially Mikey are more likely but seems like he would have to throw even more money up for that than he imagined before. These are just the biggest names though, I think he has a fairly good chance of signing the likes of Charlo bros, Porter, Hurd, etc... so the category who are not exactly star fighters but quality, higher profile guys who wants to fight more


I also think some fighters trying to use this to drive up their prices like these news about Adam Kownacki might not accepting a 3 fights 1,5M deal from Matchroom. Adam Kownacki. like c'mon, it's not like he would be trash but we already see his limitations, it's not like he's gonna be some star fighter either and as of now his profile isn't high, probably only hardcores and some Polish casuals from NY know him.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Broner's a dumb ass for calling this a slave contract though, like what are you talking about, getting paid more than 6 millions a year as a B level fighter whose clock is ticking by the minute, that's not a slave contract. Besides that posting a contract on social media is unprofessional as hell, not that he would care about being professional...

Anyway, Hearn should forget about overpaying the likes of Chavez Jr. and Broner and offer this kind if money or probably even less instead to fighters who also don't have a promoter but more professional and don't have such a high profile that Haymon would give them basically everything just to stay (I'd imagine, Spence, Broner and Wilder falls in that category, maybe Swift too). Like the Charlos, Porter, Thurman, Prograis, Hurd, etc...

the offer was made to BRONER.....not YOU dumbazz....

so obviously Broner is seeing more cons as opposed to pros in regards to that deal

just like @yawn stated it's more than just "huge purses" which are determining factor in these situations, the soveriegn rights these fighters are able to retain by being WITHOUT a promoter is much more benificial than the "bag" Hearn's claims to offer.....

Broner might be alot of things...but he has shown the ability of being capable of making sound business decisions when it's needed

just like he did when he rejected the ROC NATION 40 million offer....

and it turns out he did the RIGHT THING...because ROC NATION has been like a dead fish in the water offering little to no visability to it's fighters...

and it's main "franchise player" Andre Ward has left the building....

but i understand your hate for the PBC and all things Haymon related kid

sooner or later..you will see who the Prophet is

 

[reservoirdogs]

the offer was made to BRONER.....not YOU dumbazz....

so obviously Broner is seeing more cons as opposed to pros in regards to that deal

just like @yawn stated it's more than just "huge purses" which are determining factor in these situations, the soveriegn rights these fighters are able to retain by being WITHOUT a promoter is much more benificial than the "bag" Hearn's claims to offer.....

Broner might be alot of things...but he has shown the ability of being capable of making sound business decisions when it's needed

just like he did when he rejected the ROC NATION 40 million offer....

and it turns out he did the RIGHT THING...because ROC NATION has been like a dead fish in the water offering little to no visability to it's fighters...

and it's main "franchise player" Andre Ward has left the building....

but i understand your hate for the PBC and all things Haymon related kid

sooner or later..you will see who the Prophet is

Ward was good with Roc Nation they paid him well and got him shots against Kovalev, they couldn't do anything with HBO wanting it to be on PPV and it bombed on PPV
I doN't say that Roc Nation is some good promotional outfit but they would have guaranteed that 40m to him and Ward was there for 2-3 more years when they offered him that deal.

In you understanding I guess I indeed hate everything Haymon and PBC related cause I criticise them too not just always being on their dikk like you but actually plenty of my "favorite" guys are PBC fighters and Showtime gives the best quality boxing program now with some of the best fights. Does that mean they are without mistakes? No. Does that mean I agree of them keeping fighters in the shelf for long periods of time because they have a too big roster to keep everyone active? No. Does that mean I like some fighters being overpaid for exhibition fights? It's better than if they would be underpaid for sure but no. Does that mean I think it's okay for Haymon despite being one of the most powerful figures in the sport, hiding, never giving his face to anything and can't be asked questions by nobody? No.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Does that mean I think it's okay for Haymon despite being one of the most powerful figures in the sport, hiding, never giving his face to anything and can't be asked questions by nobody? No.

oh so that's your main gripe with Haymon...

you feel he is OBLIGATED to "speak" or answer questions to the media or yourself?

and it got you allin your feelings cause he doesn't ...come on man...

dude...he is a MANAGER who stays in his lane which is "behind the scenes"...or as Jay z said.."stay in food and beverage"

a client couldn't ask for a better business situation .....and NONE OF HIS clients have complained about that

he allows his fighters to be the STARS that they need to be without trying to be in the spotlight and "all in the videos" like

ARUM...DE LA HOYA...and FAST TALKING EDDIE HEARNS like to do...

i understand as a promoter such as themselves it is neccesary to be accesible to the press..but lets admit they can be overbearing at times....

and gossipy just like Arum running off at the mouth about Mayweather's conflict with Tank





that shyt wasnt neccesary

which is why you gotta respect Haymon's "stealth" approach to business..also keep in mind it's nothing new ....he has been like that even before he got involved in boxing and the mayweather brand during the early 2000's

keep in mind he was the "WIZARD OF OZ" that we never seen who was behind many of the biggest urban acts tours of the 80's and 90's i.e (the jacksons, earth wind and fire...patti labelle, new edition, whitney houston)

He don't owe the media a gottdamn thing.....they particuarly the mainstream white media is gonna bash him anyway even if he did talk to them....

because they have a "motive" since Haymon ain't part of that ole "good ole boys" network of promters which have exploited black and latino boxers for decades

Jim Lampley dedicated a half hour commentary hating on Haymon simply because he was able to get boxers to avoid those draconian HBO contracts which did little to nothing for boxers careers over there on that network i.e (tim bradley...terrance crawford)



fukk them

 

[Rev Leon Lonnie Love]

kid aint no p*ssy thats for sure

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Ward was good with Roc Nation they paid him well and got him shots against Kovalev, they couldn't do anything with HBO wanting it to be on PPV and it bombed on PPV
I doN't say that Roc Nation is some good promotional outfit but they would have guaranteed that 40m to him and Ward was there for 2-3 more years when they offered him that deal.

In you understanding I guess I indeed hate everything Haymon and PBC related cause I criticise them too not just always being on their dikk like you but actually plenty of my "favorite" guys are PBC fighters and Showtime gives the best quality boxing program now with some of the best fights. Does that mean they are without mistakes? No. Does that mean I agree of them keeping fighters in the shelf for long periods of time because they have a too big roster to keep everyone active? No. Does that mean I like some fighters being overpaid for exhibition fights? It's better than if they would be underpaid for sure but no. Does that mean I think it's okay for Haymon despite being one of the most powerful figures in the sport, hiding, never giving his face to anything and can't be asked questions by nobody? No.

you clearly don't know anything about contract offers

they weren't guranteed a damn thing....that was the "value" of the deal....those ROC NATION offers were like music deals...

thats why Deontay Wilder and Keith Thurman turned down ROC NATION as well....it was based on ADVANCES (LOANS) and NO BACKEND PERCENTEGES

Thurman turns down Roc Nation Sports offer

Thurman would have gotten a $2 million advance against the total package -- so he could have a nice chunk of the money up front -- followed by fight-night payouts of $1 million, $1 million and $2 million.

Ultimately, however, Thurman told ESPN.com that he passed on the offer before even bringing it to adviser Al Haymon to discuss.

"For the most part, it's a move that I'm not willing to make right now," Thurman told ESPN.com on Monday. "It's nice to throw dollar signs in front of a young guy like me and I appreciate it. But I am a man of faith and I believe all that's coming to me in the future. As long as you have a '0' (on your record) it's like holding on to a golden goose egg."


WHO DA FUKK WANT TO HAVE TO RECOUP 2 MILLION OF THIER EARNINGS????....fukk outta here...them ROC NATION deals was trash


and as far as the HBO plug that they fukked up......they are to blame for that...thier are plenty of networks to pitch boxing to , ESPN, FOX1, SPIKE..etc.

PBC doesn't rely on one "network"....and neither should have Roc Nation...

now WHERE THEY AT???

 

[mson]

 

[mson]

Ward was good with Roc Nation they paid him well and got him shots against Kovalev, they couldn't do anything with HBO wanting it to be on PPV and it bombed on PPV
I doN't say that Roc Nation is some good promotional outfit but they would have guaranteed that 40m to him and Ward was there for 2-3 more years when they offered him that deal.

In you understanding I guess I indeed hate everything Haymon and PBC related cause I criticise them too not just always being on their dikk like you but actually plenty of my "favorite" guys are PBC fighters and Showtime gives the best quality boxing program now with some of the best fights. Does that mean they are without mistakes? No. Does that mean I agree of them keeping fighters in the shelf for long periods of time because they have a too big roster to keep everyone active? No. Does that mean I like some fighters being overpaid for exhibition fights? It's better than if they would be underpaid for sure but no. Does that mean I think it's okay for Haymon despite being one of the most powerful figures in the sport, hiding, never giving his face to anything and can't be asked questions by nobody? No.

What questions do you want Al to answer?