Facts, the data is too strong to deny.... After that they result to petty insults
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You have 80 year old cats making twitter accts to slander yvette
The civil rights gen birthed so many fukk boys its crazy
You have 80 year old cats making twitter accts to slander yvette
The real ones that got killed or jailed lookin at these c00ns who only really fought to walk besides white men and women with disgust
I dont NEVER rocks with black movements cuz they are full of shyt but
the ados movement has the potential to be bigger than any black movement EVER
its just missing something, like a mainstream speaker
Red Shield
Global Domination
ehhh
aint that easy
we got to get through to the relatively uneducated southern church going masses who truthfully are ignorant to anything outside of what they have been taught or have done the past 50
years
these celebrities are NOT gonna fukk up their money like that
they have absolutely no incentive to, Bron is only pro-Black to an extent. same for the Beyonces of the world
any movement worth it's salt always starts with the working class, not the elite
I'd be cool with somebody like Dave Chappelle making a statement tho, he's demonstrated throughout his career he's a highly intelligent thoughtful guy and I think this is something he would be for
it's prolly not even on his radar tho
I’d much rather the ADOS elite stay quiet but observant for now. The move is still in its infancy and we don’t want them aligning with the wrong crowd and fukking up our collective bag.
Let us do some more work and when the time is right they can join us!
For now they can all acknowledge that they descend from slaves in their acceptance speeches and acknowledge our ancestors and the work they have done.
That will lead to more people doing organic research on the movement.
xoxodede
Superstar
Thanks for posting!!
On that point, Democratic presidential candidate Julian Castro has come out in support of reparations, and promised to empanel a commission to study the best means of executing it. Other candidates have evinced vague support for the policy, while attempting to recast race-neutral redistributive programs that disproportionately benefit African-Americans, as reparations. Many progressive reporters and commentators have insisted that the latter proposals do not count as reparations.
And yet your landmark Atlantic essay suggests that they might. In “The Case for Reparations,” you cite Charles Ogletree’s proposal for “a program of job training and public works that takes racial justice as its mission but includes the poor of all races” as one hypothetical form reparations could take. And that form is a race-neutral program enacted in the name of compensating African-Americans for the state’s historic crimes against them. Meanwhile, the most explicit definition of reparations that your piece offers is “full acceptance of our collective biography and its consequences,” which suggests that a mere public accounting of those crimes might qualify. So I’m wondering what you see as the minimum requirements for a policy that claims the mantle of reparations, and which Democratic candidates, if any, are meeting those minimum requirements, in your estimation?
When I say I am for reparations, I’m saying that I am for the idea that this country and its major institutions has had an extractive relationship with black people for much of our history; that this fact explains basically all of the socioeconomic gap between black and white America, and thus, the way to close that gap is to pay it back. In terms of political candidates, and how this should be talked about, and how this should be dealt with, it seems like it would be a very easy solution. It’s actually the policy recommendation that I gave in the piece, and that is to support HR 40. That’s the bill that says you form a commission. You study what damage was done from slavery, and the legacy of slavery, and then you try to figure out the best ways to remedy it. It’s pretty simple. I think that’s Nancy Pelosi’s position at this point.
There’s a whole line of thinking that says the recommendation for a study is somehow like a cop-out or weak. I don’t really understand why that would be the case. Look, if you have a sickness, you have an illness, you probably start with diagnosis. The first step is to get some idea of what actually happened. We’ve never really done that. You’re talking about an epic crime that literally has its origins before there was a United States of America, and carries all the way up to this very day.
White supremacy is a suite of harms, operating on multiple levels across the board. In “The Case for Reparations,” I was dealing with redlining. Criminal-justice questions come to mind. There are education questions, there are university culpability questions. A state like North Carolina, where people were forcing black women to be sterilized. In Virginia, where they responded to Brown v. Board by basically shutting down public education in whole swaths of the state. You have this suite of damages. What we don’t need is for one person to sit up and try to design a program to undo 400 years of damage. We didn’t just say to AOC, “Hey, you sit over there, and you come up with a Green New Deal.” You need time. You need people to actually put some resources behind an actual study.
And there are small-d democratic reasons for why you should be starting with a study instead of a plan. Have you talked to the community? Has the community thought much about it? Has there been much interaction with the community about how they would liketo be paid back? I think there are actually great, morally important reasons for not sketching out a plan right now. But you should support HR 40. It boggles my mind why we can’t behind that.
And yet your landmark Atlantic essay suggests that they might. In “The Case for Reparations,” you cite Charles Ogletree’s proposal for “a program of job training and public works that takes racial justice as its mission but includes the poor of all races” as one hypothetical form reparations could take. And that form is a race-neutral program enacted in the name of compensating African-Americans for the state’s historic crimes against them. Meanwhile, the most explicit definition of reparations that your piece offers is “full acceptance of our collective biography and its consequences,” which suggests that a mere public accounting of those crimes might qualify. So I’m wondering what you see as the minimum requirements for a policy that claims the mantle of reparations, and which Democratic candidates, if any, are meeting those minimum requirements, in your estimation?
When I say I am for reparations, I’m saying that I am for the idea that this country and its major institutions has had an extractive relationship with black people for much of our history; that this fact explains basically all of the socioeconomic gap between black and white America, and thus, the way to close that gap is to pay it back. In terms of political candidates, and how this should be talked about, and how this should be dealt with, it seems like it would be a very easy solution. It’s actually the policy recommendation that I gave in the piece, and that is to support HR 40. That’s the bill that says you form a commission. You study what damage was done from slavery, and the legacy of slavery, and then you try to figure out the best ways to remedy it. It’s pretty simple. I think that’s Nancy Pelosi’s position at this point.
There’s a whole line of thinking that says the recommendation for a study is somehow like a cop-out or weak. I don’t really understand why that would be the case. Look, if you have a sickness, you have an illness, you probably start with diagnosis. The first step is to get some idea of what actually happened. We’ve never really done that. You’re talking about an epic crime that literally has its origins before there was a United States of America, and carries all the way up to this very day.
White supremacy is a suite of harms, operating on multiple levels across the board. In “The Case for Reparations,” I was dealing with redlining. Criminal-justice questions come to mind. There are education questions, there are university culpability questions. A state like North Carolina, where people were forcing black women to be sterilized. In Virginia, where they responded to Brown v. Board by basically shutting down public education in whole swaths of the state. You have this suite of damages. What we don’t need is for one person to sit up and try to design a program to undo 400 years of damage. We didn’t just say to AOC, “Hey, you sit over there, and you come up with a Green New Deal.” You need time. You need people to actually put some resources behind an actual study.
And there are small-d democratic reasons for why you should be starting with a study instead of a plan. Have you talked to the community? Has the community thought much about it? Has there been much interaction with the community about how they would liketo be paid back? I think there are actually great, morally important reasons for not sketching out a plan right now. But you should support HR 40. It boggles my mind why we can’t behind that.
xoxodede
Superstar
No one ever mentions ADOS and Tone and Yvette -- they ARE the reason reparations is mainstream now.
Mr. Coates kicked it off - they picked up the baton.
That’s your opinion.
I wasn’t talking about tone or Yvette
who else would be ados elite?
GoAggieGo.
getting blitzed.
I don’t consider Yvette and Tone elite, and def not Ados elite.
Cel 510 kid ados forever
Veteran
Yvette and tone is specific.
Alot of black issues before were broad so other groups can jump in it.
To say ados only u not leaving any room for anyone else.
And that why other groups are mad cause they never expected this
Alot of black issues before were broad so other groups can jump in it.
To say ados only u not leaving any room for anyone else.
And that why other groups are mad cause they never expected this
Secure Da Bag
Veteran
Well I'd argue Tavis Smiley kicked it off, but I agree that Tone and Yvette are the leaders of this movement.