excerpts from the AA case oral argument. Peep the bullshyt!!
Patrick Strawbridge is a lawyer for the SFFA ( Students for Fair Admissions) who brought up the cases against Harvard and UNC.
"MR. STRAWBRIDGE: I would -- I would, never suggest that. Is -- is -- is -- is the question as to whether or not there's some sort of cheating going on, or is the question whether the race-neutral --
CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: No, not -- not a bit. The question is -- the -- the --
the discussion has been about the dramatic plummeting of the number of African American students that would take place if the practice of checking the box with -- with race is taken away. And my suggestion is, if that's not, then maybe there will be an incentive for the university to, in fact, truly pursue race-neutral alternatives, such as, you know, allowing, which I think would be allowed, students, applicants to indicate experiences they have had because of their race.
MR. STRAWBRIDGE: I think that is correct. And just so we're clear, there's a lot of --
there's a lot of room for UNC in particular to improve its socioeconomic diversity commitment. It claims to value this, but the preference at least according to our expert's testimony that it gives for socioeconomic status is lesser than it gives to race. Something like -- like the average median income in North Carolina is about $53,000 a year,
but the average UNC student comes from a family making $153,000 a year, and at least at trial there was testimony from the Director of Admissions that the percentage of first-generation college students and the students who were receiving scholarships under the Carolina Covenant, which is a socioeconomic benefit, had declined in recent years.
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH:
Your position will put a lot of pressure going forward, if it's accepted, on what qualifies as race-neutral in the first place. You said socioeconomic is race-neutral. Top 10 percent plan, race-neutral. Is -- you want to respond to that?
MR. STRAWBRIDGE: Well, I'm sorry, I did not mean to interrupt. I just wanted to say that I actually don't think that's been the experience.
There are nine states that have -- that have barred the use of race in their college admissions program. We're not aware of anyone who has challenged a race-neutral alternative on the ground that it somehow
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH:
Right. I'm just making sure what qualifies as race-neutral in the first place. What if a college says we're going to give a plus to descendants of slaves? Is that race-neutral or not?
MR. STRAWBRIDGE:
I think descendants of slaves is a very difficult question because 
it's so -- it's so highly correlated with race in the history of our country. I'm not sure that any college has proposed that kind of a preference. It would have to --
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: Well, I know we have to think forward about what will happen if you prevail in this case, and that seems a potential, so I'm curious about your answer to that question.
MR. STRAWBRIDGE: My -- my instinct standing here is,
if that were the only basis, then -- then that -- that -- that very quickly starts to look like just a pure proxy for race. It would obviously depend on the actual program as it -- as it was implemented.
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH:
Could you give a plus to applicants whose parents were immigrants to this country?
MR. STRAWBRIDGE: I think that you --
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: Is that race-neutral?
MR. STRAWBRIDGE:
I think that if it -- if it -- if it is immigrants regardless of country --
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: Yes.
MR. STRAWBRIDGE: --
and regardless of their racial descent, I think that that is probably closer to being okay.
JUSTICE GORSUCH: Counsel, what did the evidence show in terms of race-neutral alternatives from your perspective?
MR. STRAWBRIDGE: There were --
JUSTICE GORSUCH: At least in terms -- would -- would numbers plummet?
MR. STRAWBRIDGE: No. Following the analysis -- following the analysis that was used in the other case, we --
we presented a number of circumstances, some of which -- which assumed a holistic process, just a holistic process that was no longer putting a thumb on the scale for students of particular races. And it showed that you could get to the current academic credentials of UNC, average SAT and -- and GPA within, you know, 15 points, you could get very similar, you know, less than a 1 percentage difference in -- in -- in the individual racial breakdowns to the extent those are relevant, so equal or greater than overall underrepresented minority representation, and, of course, socioeconomic diversity would increase significantly. I think it is telling in the district court's analysis that it gave absolutely little weight to the possibility of a socioeconomic preference. It suggested that that would create a kind of diversity that's different than what UNC prefers. And, of course, we think that's part of the problem."
SC Oral Hearing Transcript
Yeah that what make those posts so funny of posters asking why cant black people get on code they make in the TLR is because too many of us have this weird uncle tom/Mr. Shelby and Mr. St. Clare type of relationship when it come to non-blacks but than trun in to sambo when it come to fighting other black people who want to empower our community 
you know he cant said that it piss off our "people of color allies"