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[saturn7]

The Black Demand

 

[Asicz]

 

[Asicz]

 

[The axe murderer]

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article244411987.html
From 1929 to 1974, North Carolina’s eugenics program sterilized close to 7,600 men and woman, making it impossible for them to reproduce or conceive, according to The Justice for Sterilization Victims Foundation.

 

[saturn7]

Simmons College of KY Kerner Commission 2

 

[saturn7]

new website for people to join ADOS chapters in Maryland, D.C. and Virginia.


https://www.adosdmv.com/

ADOS DMV Region welcomes all persons who are willing to fight for reparations and restorative justice for its members as defined by our mission statement. If you would like more information on becoming an ADOS DMV Region member or an ADOS DMV Region Affiliate, click one of the links below to complete an application.

Thank you.

 

[saturn7]

ADOS Sacramento getting it "popping".

California Reparations Task Force Bill Hearing LIVE featuring Witness Testimony by #ADOS Antonio Moore

 

[Ish Gibor]

As a non-ADOS, I feel the obligation to share this and post this here, since I found this recently. I don't know if this was posted before. If so pardon me. But this one is important to understand what you're up against.

This man, David Joel Horowitz, is saying a lot of BS. For example, he claims that plight for Reparations is out of hatred for the USA. To him it's not a "justice claim" that is owed to Black Americans. These are still the savage arguments we hear coming from the right wing circles in this day and time. It makes me wonder who the master mind is behind this hideous way of thinking. It also makes you wonder why Reparations never has been paid to Black America. He calls Reparations for Black America a "racist concept". He is no different from his long line of confederate forefathers who were pro-slavery and Jim Crow, as prominent head figures.

It was the Haitian revolution who first gave freedom and amnesty to all people and former the enslaved Africans as one people of the Most High. This was long before the Quakers learned this concept from the Haiti. It was Haiti revolution that spread throughout the Americas to the point that rebellions took over. Juneteenth is exactly because of that.

One of the first was the celebration of Haiti becoming the first Black republic in the Americas on January 1, 1804, after the Haitian Revolution. But one of the earliest freedom celebrations connected to slavery in United States began after the ending of the transatlantic slave trade on January 1, 1808.

Harvard, The Meaning of Juneteenth

The Controversy over Reparations for Slavery (2002)
David Joel Horowitz



Here is part of the transcript (copied from YouTube, so it doesn't show punctuation marks).

Caller: "Smith mr. Horowitz yes sir first question what is your real agenda you know you came to fame with your famous ads against reparation how can you on one hand support our defunding of all the billions of dollars to Israel which we had nothing to do with the Holocaust my father served in World War 2 was the first blacks are serving the Navy three years in World War two so as you say to free you people and then now we send people lives there's only two but it's five billion dollars a year to Israel to support you and subsidize you for displacing the people of this Palestine of their own land and you say that we're not owed anything well I don't think we'll ever get anything as far as money goes but we are owed

Horowitz: Well you see I don't think of you as you people and I am NOT an Israeli I am an American and you should start thinking of yourself as an American and if you think of yourself as an American you might understand that America stands for certain moral principles and the is our defense of Israel is based on those moral principles and also on certain strategic interests that we have since. Israel as our only ally in the Middle East and these other countries hate us and hate us not because of Israel they hate us because of a radical view of Islam they hate us for who we are but as Americans you know we have to look at what our history represents on this issue of slavery and again a lot of people you will hear Randall Robinson Charles Ogletree and other exponents of the reparations issue say the United States has never dealt with slavery well of course we have we had a civil war over slavery we lost 600,000 Americans to end the institution which is the equivalent of 17 million Americans today and the only the only way you can raise this issue is if you have a hatred for the United States every country in the world has obviously a lot of neg of things in their history and we do too but the the the gravamen of that issue the if you look at the issue and in in whole you will see that we are a beacon of freedom that black people would not be free today if it weren't for the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of white American lives in the Civil War and many black lives too and the dedication of the founders of this country to an idea that was revolutionary in the history of the world that all men are created equal and that's my issue I want to say that the anti put on campuses there are really two books in this book I've written on civil wars one is the story of what happened on campuses when I wrote a simple ad with ten completely unarguable reasons of that seventy five percent of the American people hold as to why reparations is a bad idea as a racist idea as well since the payments of two people on the basis of their skin color not on the basis of any suffering they may have had what happened was that I sent it to 70 papers 40 of them refused to print the ad and in the 30 that did there were on those campuses there were demonstrations a whole issue of the boss of the brown Daily Herald was stolen by […]

Host: And we'll get a call from knightstown Indiana good morning good morning […]

Caller: I would like to state the source of some facts rather than give my opinion and sadly I have to preface that by saying the last time that I offered these sources of facts somebody called and accused me of trying to push my religion on them I don't have a religion the bible does say that Abraham believed god any candidate to him for righteousness and I do believe God and the source that I want to talk about first is a book by Grant Jeffrey called the handwriting of God it is not a political book but it will give the true history of what really happened in Israel and it will document the proof that the Bible is the inspired infallible Word of God and that it is accurately preserved we can prove that through the fact that 27.6% of the Bible when it was originally written was prophetic over half of that has been fulfilled exactly as it was predicted the future is predicted if we want to know how God gave a test to know who or to profit is now that we're saying that just everybody and anybody is a prophet of God they can look in Deuteronomy 18:20 to where it says they would have to accurately foretell the future perfectly and call it works

Host: Caller were you going with all of this.

Caller: Let me finish […]

Host: Caller were you going with all of this.

Caller: How going it's going to turn out in Israel you can read Zechariah 14 where all the nations turn against the Jews but that's not how it ends I've been they can read it for themselves only if they wan to […]

Host: Thanks for the call we'll comment. Any reaction?

Horowitz: I don't deal in prophecies.

Host: Atlanta Georgia Democrats line for David Horowitz good morning

Caller: Yes… good morning I wanted to talk with mr. Horowitz about or at least hear his response to a concern that I have about trying to paint history and color history the way you choose for it to to be one of the first statements that you made when you came on was that with America and Europe or particularly the Britons were the first abolitionists or people to try to end slavery and that is couldn't be further from the truth actually the Underground Railroad as I'm sure you're aware is the precursor to abolition or the ending of slavery the Underground Railroad was founded by African slaves and was then supported by other white people and famous white Americans such as John Brown

Horowitz: You're making a comment a common mistake that was made in response to my ad Spartacus we had a revolt against slavery Moses led his people out of slavery the there of course there were slave revolts you know for thousands of years as long as there was slavery but they always were revolts in behalf of the slaves themselves that is it was let my people go it's I want my tribe to be free what was unique about the Quakers in Britain in America at the end of the 19th century and this is a completely an arguable historical fact it's an AW you know any book that you what was unique was that they thought that other people who were slaves not white people they happened to be white they happen to be Christian but they felt at all human beings being children of God it should you know have freedom that no it was wrong for any human being to own another and it was Britain in America that set out to end the institution of slavery even though neither Britain nor Americans were enslaved and in fact that they participated in the slave trade in the case of Americans they they had inherited the institution from the British and we're slave owners and that you know.

I'm not denying that there was an underground railway I'm not denying that there were slave revolts by that Turner in Denmark Vesey the point is that the movement to end the institution of slavery as such was a movement that was spearheaded by Britain and the United States and by their armed forces and and in Britain in particular lost a lot of men
and spent a lot of money to end slavery in Africa not just in in the British Isles.

Host: An email from a viewer:

"Assume for a moment that reparations for descendants of slavery becomes a reality what is your opinion about white Americans who will finally acknowledge that some of them may be descendants of enslaved blacks just for the purpose of receiving economic reparations will you consider them "America haters", as you've described other proponents of reparations?"

Horowitz: "…" I am for reparations. For slaves and former slaves and their children, but they're all dead.

I am NOT for reparations on the basis of skin color or by tracing some descendant through three or four generations any more than I would accept myself reparations for Jews that were you know exterminated by the Nazis. I have but my family was fortunate enough to come to this country at the turn of the 20th century and therefore escape that my objection here is that it's the payment is based on skin color that the payment from people cut will come from descendants of people whose ancestors died in the Civil War to free the slaves it will come from what most Americans were their ancestors weren't even here before 1880 which is the first big wave of emigration after the after the Civil War how are you going to tell Juan Martinez who came here 10 years ago from Mexico and is struggling to put bread on the table for his children to pay reparations to Johnny Cochran and Jesse Jackson or Mille multimillionaires and Oprah Winfrey is the richest woman in America even though her great-grandfather was a slave this is the only way that this movement could be concocted is by people who are desperate to find another way to shake down America this is what is Jesse Jackson do these days except go to corporations cry racism and shake them down that's what this is about and that's why I'm against it

 

[Ish Gibor]

2009

"Are reparations for African Americans needed to compensate for past wrongs? What connection do today's African Americans have to the injustices of the past? William A. Darity Jr., professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, examines."

 

[saturn7]

As a non-ADOS, I feel the obligation to share this and post this here, since I found this recently. I don't know if this was posted before. If so pardon me. But this one is important to understand what you're up against.

This man, David Joel Horowitz, is saying a lot of BS. For example, he claims that plight for Reparations is out of hatred for the USA. To him it's not a "justice claim" that is owed to Black Americans. These are still the savage arguments we hear coming from the right wing circles in this day and time. It makes me wonder who the master mind is behind this hideous way of thinking. It also makes you wonder why Reparations never has been paid to Black America. He calls Reparations for Black America a "racist concept". He is no different from his long line of confederate forefathers who were pro-slavery and Jim Crow, as prominent head figures.

It was the Haitian revolution who first gave freedom and amnesty to all people and former the enslaved Africans as one people of the Most High. This was long before the Quakers learned this concept from the Haiti. It was Haiti revolution that spread throughout the Americas to the point that rebellions took over. Juneteenth is exactly because of that.

The Controversy over Reparations for Slavery (2002)
David Joel Horowitz

I will have to give that a watch. But the nerve of this man especially considering his ethnicity.

 

[Ish Gibor]

I will have to give that a watch. But the nerve of this man especially considering his ethnicity.

It's very imported to watch, because he is, I think the "master mind" behind the hostile right wing concept. And it doesn't stop there. Here is another Horowitz who wrote a 65-page monograph, you will see in the link below:

"National Legal and Policy Center is releasing a new, 65-page monograph by Carl Horowitz."

How did this country get to the stage of widespread rioting, looting and lawlessness in the name of racial justice? It results from the steady diet of fake history dished out at colleges and universities, along with political ideologies that debase the individual in favor of racial group identity. It’s a toxic brew.
[…]
In their blind enthusiasm, supporters of reparations ignore the many aspects of slavery, and the global slave trade, that undercut their claims. They will not admit that less than four percent of all African slaves transported by slave traders were brought to Mainland North America. Nor will they admit that many, if not most slaves in the American colonies during the 17th century were whites. They cannot handle the fact that many American blacks themselves were slave owners or that various Indian tribes also owned black slaves. They gloss over the reality that virtually all black slaves brought to America already were owned by blacks in Africa. Nor can they be bothered with the fact that slavery prevails in many African countries today.

Slavery reparations, if instituted, would be economically predatory, historically blind, politically divisive, legally unconstitutional and morally repellent. Far from bringing our nation together, it would divide us as never before. We meet these demands at our own peril.

Supporters of reparations claim that a program of forced payments – current estimates run well into the trillions of dollars – would “heal” America’s wounds. Such rhetoric may sound fair and soothing, but underneath it is a shakedown. Reparations would create wounds.

But the cost will not only be monetary. The real damage will be to the truth.

Slave reparations Archives - National Legal & Policy Center

 

[Ish Gibor]

Yet another Horowitz at the PEW Research wrote in a 2019 publication.

Most Americans say the legacy of slavery still affects black people in the U.S. today

A U.S. House of Representatives committee plans to hold a hearing this week on the topic of reparations for slavery, the first hearing on the topic in more than a decade. The legacy of slavery still resonates for many Americans, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted earlier this year, with 63% believing it affects the position of black people in American society today either a great deal or a fair amount.

Black adults are particularly likely to say slavery continues to have an impact: More than eight-in-ten say this is the case, including 59% who say the legacy of slavery affects the situation of black people a great deal. By comparison, 26% of whites, 29% of Hispanics and 33% of Asians say slavery affects the position of black people in American society today a great deal, though majorities of each group say it does so at least a fair amount.

The survey also found that more than four-in-ten U.S. adults (45%) think the country hasn’t gone far enough in giving black people equal rights with whites, while 15% say it’s gone too far and 39% say it’s been about right. About eight-in-ten black adults (78%) say the country hasn’t made enough progress in this area, compared with 37% of whites and 48% of Hispanics. (Because this question was asked of a random half of the sample, the views of Asians can’t be analyzed separately; for more information, see “A note about the Asian sample.”)

In addition to their bleak views about the country’s racial progress, black adults are also skeptical about the prospects for racial equality in the future. Among black Americans who say the country hasn’t gone far enough in giving black people equal rights with whites, 64% say it’s not too or not at all likely that the country will ever achieve racial equality. Whites who say the country still has work to do in this area are more optimistic: 80% say it’s very or somewhat likely that black people in our country will eventually have equal rights. Hispanics’ views are more mixed.

Democrats and those who lean to the Democratic Party (80%) are far more likely than Republicans and GOP leaners (43%) to say the legacy of slavery still affects the situation of black people in American society today. And while most Democrats (66%) say the country hasn’t gone far enough in giving black people equal rights with whites, just 18% of Republicans agree. About three-in-ten Republicans (28%) say the country has gone too far on this issue, while 53% say it’s been about right. These differences are virtually unchanged when looking only at white Democrats and Republicans.

For more on Americans’ views about the state of race relations and racial inequality in the U.S., see “Race in America 2019.”

Most Americans say the legacy of slavery still affects black people in the U.S. today

 

[saturn7]

Antonio Moore
My Testimony as an expert on California AB 3121 "Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans" 7-30-20

 

[Giselle]

I think we need to start making lists of things we want as reparations. California is trying to give a measly $20k for hundreds of years of slavery when they have made billions, and that just won’t do for me.

We need a list and we need it NOW!!!

 

[Captain Crunch]

I think we need to start making lists of things we want as reparations. California is trying to give a measly $20k for hundreds of years of slavery when they have made billions, and that just won’t do for me.

We need a list and we need it NOW!!!

Reparations needs to be done at the federal level, I highly recommend you read Darrity's book "From Here To Equality".