The Official 2017 NFL Draft Thread

[Sauce Dab]

Okay now is time to post scouting videos of Myles Garrett. The second the Cleveland Browns lost their 15th game of the season, I fully expected Myles Garrett would be the #1 pick. His physical tools are exceptional. But the more I watched film on this guy, the receipts didn't match his hyped price tag.

To go further, the guy looks ordinary A LOT. It's almost shocking how ordinary this guy looks for most parts of a 4 quarter game.

To start Myles Garrett film review, what better game to watch than the 2015 game between Texas A&M vs Auburn and the Browns 2016 3rd round pick, Shon Coleman.





If you don't want to watch the whole game, let me give a summary of Myles Garrett performance:

1st half - Invisible
2nd half - Invisible

1 tackle... which was 25 yards down field.

There ya go. Thanks for coming.

In this game, Auburn gave Garrett no extra attention. Ran at him. Took advantage of Garrett's over-pursuit the whole game.

Shon Coleman put on a clinic. Browns getting him in the 3rd round was a steal.

Bottom line for this game, and for Garrett in general, is that he's a finesse player who needs space to impact the game. If an OL gets hands on him he's 100% ineffective. Not only that, when engaged with an OL, he seems to quit on plays while getting pushed around.

I have no doubt the Browns drafted Coleman largely due to how he made Garrett disappear for a full 60 minutes game.

There's no way the Browns didn't have a higher grade on Joey Bosa than Garrett and they didn't stay @ #2 to draft him last year.

Browns ain't drafting Myles Garrett with the #1 pick in a NFL Draft.

Myles Garrett used to kill Shon Coleman. I remember it specifically because it was so bad, It might've been 2014. i think he had improved in that 2015 showing and that's what you are seeing

 

[South Paw]

This shows a complete lack of thinking. This is the most ridiculous thing people say. Go ahead and point to Cassel, Mallet ,and Hoyer. They have NOTHING in common with Jimmy G other than they were sitting behind the undisputed GOAT.

Jimmy G has film on him, was a high pick for Belichick, has had multiple coaches/GM's on other teams that rated him highly, etc.


His situation is NOTHING like the Cassel situation. He will get far more than just a second round pick.




I never said a top three pick, even though he may garner that. He's sure as hell a better talent than the man in your avi. It's not even questionable..

Jimmy g is garbage breh. you'll see

 

[BucciMane]

Jimmy g is garbage breh. you'll see

Now you're moving the goalposts. We're talking about the value he will get in a trade, IF he is traded.

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Myles Garrett used to kill Shon Coleman. I remember it specifically because it was so bad, It might've been 2014. i think he had improved in that 2015 showing and that's what you are seeing

Myles Garrett vs Auburn 2014:

1 solo tackle 3 assisted tackles

0 sacks 0 tackles for loss

Don't post without doing research. I will embarrass you.

 

[South Paw]

Now you're moving the goalposts. We're talking about the value he will get in a trade, IF he is traded.

I say both.

but I think the Bradford trade has given you false hope. don't think yall even getting a top15 pick for him. if you do I'll take the L.

but how good he is directly relates to what he's worth

 

[Sauce Dab]

Myles Garrett vs Auburn 2014:

1 solo tackle 3 assisted tackes

0 sacks 0 tackles for loss

Don't post without doing research. I will embarrass you.

He still made impact and caused havoc. I don't care that you can quick google some stats

 

[Trip]

Grading pass rushers before the combine is fairly pointless

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Grading pass rushers before the combine is fairly pointless

Film don't lie nikka

 

[Trip]

Film don't lie nikka

What percentage of offensive tackles these guys are going against play in the NFL?

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

What percentage of offensive tackles these guys are going against play in the NFL?

Very few, that's why you place greater weight on the game where they do play against them.

ie... Myles Garrett who is getting a complete pass for putting up 60-70% of his sacks against out of conference competition

 

[Sauce Dab]

And this is all from the same drive

 

[BucciMane]

The Coli scouts back at! Saying dumb shyt like always. But in 3 years when Cardale balling as a Steeler, they'll act like this thread doesn't exist when I bump it.

Rinse, repeat.

My brehs... I have officially invested in this board from an emotional point of view. Im here to stay.

With that said, I kinda get the feeling the board is coming around to me being be the world's leading talented evaluator that I am.

The Cleveland Clowns are the JV football team of the NFL. Worst team in the entire league. Total circus show. They're about to trade multiple first round picks for a QB, not for being worth it, but because he's better than Johnny Manziel, who they also traded a 1st + 3rd round pick to select.

This team makes me literally want to blow my brains out. They are the poster child for White Privilege, IMO. No accountability for being terrible.

Year after year fans throw money and the benefit of the doubt behind this team like they actually know what they're doing. Meanwhile I tell the coli what they need to do year after year for free.

12. Gordon
19. Best available DT/LB
43. Grayson

vs...

2. Mariota


Gotdamn clowns.

Off the top of my head I see about 75 players worthy of 1st round grades in this draft.

Referring to the 2014 draft class.

Geno Smith is going #1 because he's the best player available. Pretty simple.

WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft: Quarterback Rankings

Top 5 guys (besides Prescott) are ALL either better or as good as Mariota.

 

[BucciMane]

I say both.

but I think the Bradford trade has given you false hope. don't think yall even getting a top15 pick for him. if you do I'll take the L.

but how good he is directly relates to what he's worth

My opinion on his value doesn't really have anything to do with the Bradford trade. There are going to be teams looking for a franchise QB. The entire "what has he proven?" garbage people keep spewing can be said about any player in the draft. People will then point to needing to pay Jimmy G sooner, but they will eventually have to pay their rookie QB, and it may be at a much higher cap hit down the road.

I'll stick by what I said and say Jimmy G will get closer to the #3 overall pick than the #12 overall pick, if you want to go by the draft points chart. That may change if Belichick also receives and actual player in a trade for him.

 

[South Paw]

My opinion on his value doesn't really have anything to do with the Bradford trade. There are going to be teams looking for a franchise QB. The entire "what has he proven?" garbage people keep spewing can be said about any player in the draft. People will then point to needing to pay Jimmy G sooner, but they will eventually have to pay their rookie QB, and it may be at a much higher cap hit down the road.

I'll stick by what I said and say Jimmy G will get closer to the #3 overall pick than the #12 overall pick, if you want to go by the draft points chart. That may change if Belichick also receives and actual player in a trade for him.

did you just sneak in there that Jimmy g is a franchise qb?

 

[Trip]

Very few, that's why you place greater weight on the game where they do play against them.

ie... Myles Garrett who is getting a complete pass for putting up 60-70% of his sacks against out of conference competition

Idk. Beasley didn't put up great sack numbers either. Until these guys run the short area explosion drills it's tough to say.