The Official 2012 NBA Draft Talk Thread
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tremonthustler1
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oh, and I forgot to say, if your team has a bunch of fans, I guess you guys can discuss amongst yourselves what you want your team to do. (teams like Chicago, Boston, Washington, teams like that). If your team has more than 1 pick, you can always just divvy up the selections amongst yourselves)
Tomorrow I'll probably just talk a bit about what I think of the players and not so much about their fit on the team. I'll do more of that after the lotto.
Tomorrow I'll probably just talk a bit about what I think of the players and not so much about their fit on the team. I'll do more of that after the lotto.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
1. Charlotte Bobcats- Anthony Davis, F, Kentucky #23
Unquestioned #1 pick no matter who it is. I hope whoever picks him doesn't consider him as a center. Physically he won't be up to it for a long time if not ever. He was just a combo guard 2-3 years ago.
2. Washington Wizards-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, F, Kentucky #14
One of my favorite players in this draft. Pure SF. Jack of all trades, but I hope he can master one. Otherwise he'll be Jeff Green with a clean bill of health.
3. Cleveland Cavaliers- Bradley Beal, G, Florida #23
The one question with Beal is how much better is he than the rest of the field? He'll probably get B-Roy and James Harden comparisons right up to draft day. He's better than the rest, but depending on what you need, he only edges out some of the others.
4. New Orleans Hornets- Andre Drummond, C, Connecticut #12
Huge disappointment and was scared of contact late in the year. That's Andris Biedrins bad. If he can be developed correctly there's something there, but he'll be out of sight out of mind for at least 2 years before we see any progression.
5. Sacramento Kings- Thomas Robinson, F, Kansas #0
I'm always trying to figure out whether I'd take him or Derrick Williams if Williams stayed an extra year at Arizona. I'd probably take Robinson because nobody will argue what his true position is, and he'll be really good at PF. His issues are things that can be taught.
6. Portland Trail Blazers- Tyler Zeller, F/C, North Carolina #44
Reminds me of Joel Przybilla in a way. He'll be solid and important but unspectacular. He'll be valued because of his motor and he can run with any kind of team.
7. Golden State Warriors- Harrison Barnes, F, North Carolina #40
Not a big fan of him. Most "Meh" player in this entire class. He has the talent to put everything together but not the temperament. I'm not saying he's lazy or complacent, but he's definitely passive and doesn't have that next level aggressiveness.
8. Toronto Raptors- Damian Lillard, G, Weber State #1
I wish he made the tourney so more people can see what he can do. From what I've seen, he's Ben Gordon. He can shoot, but shot selection and whether he can facilitate will be big questions for him to answer. Some say he's the best PG in this class. I disagree and if he is, that doesn't speak well of the rest of the PG's here.
9. Detroit Pistons- John Henson, F, North Carolina #31
3 Years at UNC and still hasn't put on the necessary weight. He probably never will. That limits his potential but the skill is there for him to at least be solid. He needs to ride his shot blocking ability into his own personal niche. Not Serge Ibaka, but he needs to have a focus similar to his.
10. New Orleans Hornets- Jared Sullinger, F, Ohio State #0
Sully went from being an Elton Brand clone to a Kevin Love wannabe. I don't know whether he's switching his style to get drafted higher or because that's where his comfort zone is. Either way, his success or failure is predicated on his conditioning. He looks like he can get his shyt together, but I don't know what his motivation is.
11. Portland Trail Blazers- Perry Jones III, F, Baylor #1
Most frustrating player to watch. Some of you guys know I'm super high on his potential, but this guy can't make himself better. I don't think he has the heart to be a star which is a shame. Baylor got to the Elite Eight and it didn't have much to do with him. That's a major red flag.
12. Milwaukee Bucks- Terrence Jones, F, Kentucky #3
He's another guy I just can't for the life of me understand why he's not better than what he is. He disappears way too much in games and I thought an extra year at Kentucky would get him to be more of a leader. It didn't really do that because someone else would constantly have to pick him up. Can't say I think it's gonna click at the next level.
13. Phoenix Suns- Kendall Marshall, G, North Carolina #5
A slower Rubio. Big fan of his passing abilities, but offensively he'll hurt the team if they're playing 4 on 5. At least finish at the hoop or polish a mid-range game, because unlike Rubio, he can't compensate for his offensive deficiencies on defense. If he can't get his game to be more well rounded, it's gonna pin him to a bench. The good news is that he's shown that teams will only go as far as he can take them.
14. Houston Rockets- Jeremy Lamb, G, Connecticut #3
He should be a top 5 pick, but he pissed away so much goodwill with how he played this year. His potential is immense. He drifts so much in games, his last name should be Jones too like Perry and Terrence. I think he'll be good at the pro level, but only if he has a PG alongside him that can lead. He's proven that without it, he's wasted talent.
Unquestioned #1 pick no matter who it is. I hope whoever picks him doesn't consider him as a center. Physically he won't be up to it for a long time if not ever. He was just a combo guard 2-3 years ago.
2. Washington Wizards-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, F, Kentucky #14
One of my favorite players in this draft. Pure SF. Jack of all trades, but I hope he can master one. Otherwise he'll be Jeff Green with a clean bill of health.
3. Cleveland Cavaliers- Bradley Beal, G, Florida #23
The one question with Beal is how much better is he than the rest of the field? He'll probably get B-Roy and James Harden comparisons right up to draft day. He's better than the rest, but depending on what you need, he only edges out some of the others.
4. New Orleans Hornets- Andre Drummond, C, Connecticut #12
Huge disappointment and was scared of contact late in the year. That's Andris Biedrins bad. If he can be developed correctly there's something there, but he'll be out of sight out of mind for at least 2 years before we see any progression.
5. Sacramento Kings- Thomas Robinson, F, Kansas #0
I'm always trying to figure out whether I'd take him or Derrick Williams if Williams stayed an extra year at Arizona. I'd probably take Robinson because nobody will argue what his true position is, and he'll be really good at PF. His issues are things that can be taught.
6. Portland Trail Blazers- Tyler Zeller, F/C, North Carolina #44
Reminds me of Joel Przybilla in a way. He'll be solid and important but unspectacular. He'll be valued because of his motor and he can run with any kind of team.
7. Golden State Warriors- Harrison Barnes, F, North Carolina #40
Not a big fan of him. Most "Meh" player in this entire class. He has the talent to put everything together but not the temperament. I'm not saying he's lazy or complacent, but he's definitely passive and doesn't have that next level aggressiveness.
8. Toronto Raptors- Damian Lillard, G, Weber State #1
I wish he made the tourney so more people can see what he can do. From what I've seen, he's Ben Gordon. He can shoot, but shot selection and whether he can facilitate will be big questions for him to answer. Some say he's the best PG in this class. I disagree and if he is, that doesn't speak well of the rest of the PG's here.
9. Detroit Pistons- John Henson, F, North Carolina #31
3 Years at UNC and still hasn't put on the necessary weight. He probably never will. That limits his potential but the skill is there for him to at least be solid. He needs to ride his shot blocking ability into his own personal niche. Not Serge Ibaka, but he needs to have a focus similar to his.
10. New Orleans Hornets- Jared Sullinger, F, Ohio State #0
Sully went from being an Elton Brand clone to a Kevin Love wannabe. I don't know whether he's switching his style to get drafted higher or because that's where his comfort zone is. Either way, his success or failure is predicated on his conditioning. He looks like he can get his shyt together, but I don't know what his motivation is.
11. Portland Trail Blazers- Perry Jones III, F, Baylor #1
Most frustrating player to watch. Some of you guys know I'm super high on his potential, but this guy can't make himself better. I don't think he has the heart to be a star which is a shame. Baylor got to the Elite Eight and it didn't have much to do with him. That's a major red flag.
12. Milwaukee Bucks- Terrence Jones, F, Kentucky #3
He's another guy I just can't for the life of me understand why he's not better than what he is. He disappears way too much in games and I thought an extra year at Kentucky would get him to be more of a leader. It didn't really do that because someone else would constantly have to pick him up. Can't say I think it's gonna click at the next level.
13. Phoenix Suns- Kendall Marshall, G, North Carolina #5
A slower Rubio. Big fan of his passing abilities, but offensively he'll hurt the team if they're playing 4 on 5. At least finish at the hoop or polish a mid-range game, because unlike Rubio, he can't compensate for his offensive deficiencies on defense. If he can't get his game to be more well rounded, it's gonna pin him to a bench. The good news is that he's shown that teams will only go as far as he can take them.
14. Houston Rockets- Jeremy Lamb, G, Connecticut #3
He should be a top 5 pick, but he pissed away so much goodwill with how he played this year. His potential is immense. He drifts so much in games, his last name should be Jones too like Perry and Terrence. I think he'll be good at the pro level, but only if he has a PG alongside him that can lead. He's proven that without it, he's wasted talent.
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Logic Is Absent Wherever Hate Is Present
We got 4 picks mane. Well hopefully we keep our 7th.
Kendall Marshall will be a problem on a pick and roll heavy team
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Portland needs a center, and right now, if Zeller's not picked by them at 6, he won't make it to them at 11. It's a weak C class and barring a drop for Drummond (which is possible) Portland can't afford to be forced to take Meyers Leonard. Awful fit alongside Aldridge.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
15. Philadelphia 76ers- Meyers Leonard, C, Illinois #12
I'm not a fan of his at all. I thought he wasn't developed as well as he should have been, and that's probably why he wants to shoot J's all day. He needs to understand that he's a 7 footer entering a league where there aren't many bigs willing to play inside. Once he realizes he's not Dirk, he can be molded.
16. Houston Rockets- Marquis Teague, G, Kentucky #25
He's definitely not better than his brother Jeff. I also don't think he measures up to the talent of John Calipari PG's of the past. Because of this, I can't say he'll be this really good starting PG. I think anywhere he goes, he can't get comfortable because he'll have to fight to keep his spot.
17. Dallas Mavericks- Moe Harkless, F, St. Johns #4
The more I watch, the more impressed I am at what he can be. I'm a big believer in him being the Paul George of this draft. What does he do that's so bad? 19 years old. Has range. Has a defined position. Played tough comp. Long and athletic. Defensive potential. If he's not in the lottery by next month, it's purely because he said something stupid during interviews.
18. Minnesota Timberwolves- Austin Rivers, G, Duke #0
Not as good as he appears to be. I love his attitude. Kobe-like to be honest, but he has one NBA skill and that's getting to the line (and he's not a great FT shooter so he wastes that one skill). He's inefficient, undersized for his position, and quite frankly eating good off his last name and pedigree. I'm not a Duke fan, but I'm not gonna assume Coach K failed this kid. Maybe he's just not that good yet.
19. Orlando Magic- Quincy Miller, F, Baylor #5
He shoulda stayed at school. He's good for a team willing to wait because he'd be top 5 if he stayed at Baylor. Same with Perry Jones, it didn't seem like they got to the Elite Eight off the strength of his game. He's not a lost cause, but he can be failed by the NBA just by winding up on a team unwilling to nurture him.
20. Denver Nuggets- Andrew Nicholson, F, St. Bonaventure #44
Clearly a really good player on a mid major team. Statistically he impresses. He passes the eye test. Undersized as a PF but he's a PF. Physically he has to do a lot of work and that might just be that at St. Bonaventure's there's nothing else to do but eat, but he needs to spend a summer just hitting the weights. He can be a really good big man reserve if he bulks up.
21. Boston Celtics- Fab Melo, C, Syracuse #51
I question his motivation. Like many Syracuse players you almost have to teach him how to play basketball again. Moldable, but I don't know how aggressive he'll be. He's not a bright kid, so I can't compliment him on that, but a mean streak is what will be required for him because he's physically imposing.
22. Boston Celtics- Royce White, F, Iowa State #30
I'm not a believer in him. Very raw as a basketball player. Nevermind the mental problems he has, he's 6'8'' 270 and he'll probably front like he can play SF. He's the kind of player that only looks like he'll be great if he's a major part of the offense. He won't, so I don't know if he'll hang around in the NBA for too long if he can't adjust to being a role player. The team that gets him needs to be ready for the challenge.
23. Atlanta Hawks- Arnett Moultrie, C, Mississippi State #23
Waste of height. He's that tall but can't block shots. I remember his comments where he was shytting on his team for sliding out of the NCAA bubble even though him taking plays off had a lot to do with that. He's not accountable for his bullshyt. That's gonna create problems for him at the next level even if he is improving as a basketball player.
24. Cleveland Cavaliers- Terrence Ross, G, Washington #31
West Coast Wes. He must bulk up and I see him trying to improve his dribble. He must continue to do so. That will kill him in the NBA if he can tighten up his dribble. If not, he'll have to solely rely on his PG to get him shots, and it's hard to sustain an NBA career not being able to show some facilitation.
25. Memphis Grizzlies- Doron Lamb, G, Kentucky #20
One of the best shooters in this draft. Not great height but great wingspan so he'll be a defensive pest. I left this out about MKG, but it seemed like anytime the Wildcats needed to play to get ahead or clinch a game, he and Lamb were always at the center of it, and that's good to see. Unsure though as to whether he can start for a good team, but at worst he should be an awesome 6th man.
26. Indiana Pacers- Evan Fournier, G, France #13
Good size. Unathletic. He can shoot so at least he has a calling card. He'll get pushed around in the pros simply because he's had it easy over at France. I don't think he'll react well when he catches his first hard foul or whether he's off on a given night. A year stashed away with better comp will answer more questions than getting drafted and brought to the States immediately.
27. Miami Heat- Dion Waiters, G, Syracuse #3
Again, not sure how prepared he is for the NBA just because he's at Syracuse. Tools are there, but the only thing that translates well is his dribble drive and his shooting. Defensively he was good at Syracuse but I wanna see if he can handle anything other than a zone.
28. Oklahoma City Thunder- Draymond Green, F, Michigan State #23
I admire his hustle and his drive because he wasn't an NBA prospect 2-3 years ago. He got his body better prepared. He played very well in the Big 10. He's not a star. Guys like Brandon Bass and Udonis Haslem should be players he can look to emulate because unless he's shorter than 6'6'', he can carve a nice career off the bench.
29. Chicago Bulls- Tony Wroten, G, Washington #14
His jumper is broken. Not a big fan of his decision making either, but his size is gonna make him an asset. He can flat out defend. If only he could play PG better, he'd be where Damian Lillard is on this mock (and other mocks).
30. Golden State Warriors- Kyle OQuinn, F/C, Norfolk State #10
Diamond in the rough that should be talked up a lot more. He can block shots. He's got size. Good motor. Better attitude. 7'5'' wingspan. His statistics are very impressive even though it was at Norfolk State. Again, this is a weak C crop, and there are some guys that get talked about a little more than O'Quinn that I can't comprehend. He'd be viewed in a much better light if he was at a bigger conference.
I'm not a fan of his at all. I thought he wasn't developed as well as he should have been, and that's probably why he wants to shoot J's all day. He needs to understand that he's a 7 footer entering a league where there aren't many bigs willing to play inside. Once he realizes he's not Dirk, he can be molded.
16. Houston Rockets- Marquis Teague, G, Kentucky #25
He's definitely not better than his brother Jeff. I also don't think he measures up to the talent of John Calipari PG's of the past. Because of this, I can't say he'll be this really good starting PG. I think anywhere he goes, he can't get comfortable because he'll have to fight to keep his spot.
17. Dallas Mavericks- Moe Harkless, F, St. Johns #4
The more I watch, the more impressed I am at what he can be. I'm a big believer in him being the Paul George of this draft. What does he do that's so bad? 19 years old. Has range. Has a defined position. Played tough comp. Long and athletic. Defensive potential. If he's not in the lottery by next month, it's purely because he said something stupid during interviews.
18. Minnesota Timberwolves- Austin Rivers, G, Duke #0
Not as good as he appears to be. I love his attitude. Kobe-like to be honest, but he has one NBA skill and that's getting to the line (and he's not a great FT shooter so he wastes that one skill). He's inefficient, undersized for his position, and quite frankly eating good off his last name and pedigree. I'm not a Duke fan, but I'm not gonna assume Coach K failed this kid. Maybe he's just not that good yet.
19. Orlando Magic- Quincy Miller, F, Baylor #5
He shoulda stayed at school. He's good for a team willing to wait because he'd be top 5 if he stayed at Baylor. Same with Perry Jones, it didn't seem like they got to the Elite Eight off the strength of his game. He's not a lost cause, but he can be failed by the NBA just by winding up on a team unwilling to nurture him.
20. Denver Nuggets- Andrew Nicholson, F, St. Bonaventure #44
Clearly a really good player on a mid major team. Statistically he impresses. He passes the eye test. Undersized as a PF but he's a PF. Physically he has to do a lot of work and that might just be that at St. Bonaventure's there's nothing else to do but eat, but he needs to spend a summer just hitting the weights. He can be a really good big man reserve if he bulks up.
21. Boston Celtics- Fab Melo, C, Syracuse #51
I question his motivation. Like many Syracuse players you almost have to teach him how to play basketball again. Moldable, but I don't know how aggressive he'll be. He's not a bright kid, so I can't compliment him on that, but a mean streak is what will be required for him because he's physically imposing.
22. Boston Celtics- Royce White, F, Iowa State #30
I'm not a believer in him. Very raw as a basketball player. Nevermind the mental problems he has, he's 6'8'' 270 and he'll probably front like he can play SF. He's the kind of player that only looks like he'll be great if he's a major part of the offense. He won't, so I don't know if he'll hang around in the NBA for too long if he can't adjust to being a role player. The team that gets him needs to be ready for the challenge.
23. Atlanta Hawks- Arnett Moultrie, C, Mississippi State #23
Waste of height. He's that tall but can't block shots. I remember his comments where he was shytting on his team for sliding out of the NCAA bubble even though him taking plays off had a lot to do with that. He's not accountable for his bullshyt. That's gonna create problems for him at the next level even if he is improving as a basketball player.
24. Cleveland Cavaliers- Terrence Ross, G, Washington #31
West Coast Wes. He must bulk up and I see him trying to improve his dribble. He must continue to do so. That will kill him in the NBA if he can tighten up his dribble. If not, he'll have to solely rely on his PG to get him shots, and it's hard to sustain an NBA career not being able to show some facilitation.
25. Memphis Grizzlies- Doron Lamb, G, Kentucky #20
One of the best shooters in this draft. Not great height but great wingspan so he'll be a defensive pest. I left this out about MKG, but it seemed like anytime the Wildcats needed to play to get ahead or clinch a game, he and Lamb were always at the center of it, and that's good to see. Unsure though as to whether he can start for a good team, but at worst he should be an awesome 6th man.
26. Indiana Pacers- Evan Fournier, G, France #13
Good size. Unathletic. He can shoot so at least he has a calling card. He'll get pushed around in the pros simply because he's had it easy over at France. I don't think he'll react well when he catches his first hard foul or whether he's off on a given night. A year stashed away with better comp will answer more questions than getting drafted and brought to the States immediately.
27. Miami Heat- Dion Waiters, G, Syracuse #3
Again, not sure how prepared he is for the NBA just because he's at Syracuse. Tools are there, but the only thing that translates well is his dribble drive and his shooting. Defensively he was good at Syracuse but I wanna see if he can handle anything other than a zone.
28. Oklahoma City Thunder- Draymond Green, F, Michigan State #23
I admire his hustle and his drive because he wasn't an NBA prospect 2-3 years ago. He got his body better prepared. He played very well in the Big 10. He's not a star. Guys like Brandon Bass and Udonis Haslem should be players he can look to emulate because unless he's shorter than 6'6'', he can carve a nice career off the bench.
29. Chicago Bulls- Tony Wroten, G, Washington #14
His jumper is broken. Not a big fan of his decision making either, but his size is gonna make him an asset. He can flat out defend. If only he could play PG better, he'd be where Damian Lillard is on this mock (and other mocks).
30. Golden State Warriors- Kyle OQuinn, F/C, Norfolk State #10
Diamond in the rough that should be talked up a lot more. He can block shots. He's got size. Good motor. Better attitude. 7'5'' wingspan. His statistics are very impressive even though it was at Norfolk State. Again, this is a weak C crop, and there are some guys that get talked about a little more than O'Quinn that I can't comprehend. He'd be viewed in a much better light if he was at a bigger conference.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Portland I don't think should be in a major rush for SG since they still have Wes Matthews there, as well as bringing back Batum.
Toronto is an interesting situation because DeRozan regressed and it's contract time. I'd almost dangle him in trade proposals to gauge what other teams think of him, because he's stalling out as a basketball player. By no means should his spot be safe.
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My nikka,don't ever mock John Henson to the Pistons again.
I think that is who Joe is going to pick though.
I think that is who Joe is going to pick though.FukkaPaidEmail
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I'll add video to those if you want 
