The Official 2012 NBA Draft Talk Thread

[tremonthustler1]

So I finally got a chance to go back in this thread and look at people's reactions to the Cavs taking Dion Waiters at #4. What I saw was 3 pages of nothing but this and this and this and this and this .



Meanwhile, Chad Ford on ESPN gave the Cavs draft an A- and said Waiters was the most dynamic scorer in the draft.

2012 NBA Draft -- Grades for every team - ESPN

On CNNSI, Sam Amick gave the Cavs an A and said that if they had passed on Waiters that Sacremento at #5 and Golden State at #7 would have taken him.

2012 NBA draft team grades - Sam Amick - SI.com

So in conclusion, you fakkits don't know shyt.

Dion Waiters went to Syracuse. That's at least a full 2 grade drop.

 

[Marvel]

Dion Waiters went to Syracuse. That's at least a full 2 grade drop.

Anybody that watched Cuse this year knows that dude was their best playmaker.

He has a good skill set...very athletic, nice handle, and a decent jumper. He will be as good as he wants to be. If he gets in better conditioning, plays hard, he will be a very good player.

Kyrie is a very hard worker and I'm sure that him and Waiters will be training together in the off season for years to come. That will make him even better. I honestly don't think it was a reach considering what they needed. Cleveland sees what happened to chicago in last years playoff run without another SG to pair up with Rose.

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[Nick Barnes]

Tre, it seems Kahn is determined to get Pau. You think he might be crazy enough to include Pek. Something along the lines of D Will, Beas, Pek and i guess Darko. If so Mitch better jump on that. We'll even be kind enough to throw in Blake.

Imagine trotting out a lineup of Rubio, Ridnour, Buddinger, Love and Pau

 

[DoubleJ13]

Tre, it seems Kahn is determined to get Pau. You think he might be crazy enough to include Pek. Something along the lines of D Will, Beas, Pek and i guess Darko. If so Mitch better jump on that. We'll even be kind enough to throw in Blake.

Imagine trotting out a lineup of Rubio, Ridnour, Buddinger, Love and Pau

take all their bigs & give them another PG

 

[KingpinOG]

Here's what Ford said in 06 -





The issue isn't that Waiters could suck, it's that like Thompson last year, they could have traded down and got him. Even if it's just trading the 4th for the 6th, pick up a damn asset in the process. Take Barnes 4th then work out a deal with the Warriors, take Drummond 4th and work a deal with the Pistons, it makes no sense why it's now their M.O. to take a player much higher than they are expected to go without getting assets.

They could have traded down and got Waiters? Says who? Why would Portland have traded up to 4 when the guy they wanted all along (Lillard) wasn't going to go that high? Again, both Sacremento and Golden State were heavily leaning towards taking Waiters themselves. If the Cavs wanted Waiters they had to take him at #4.

And LOL @ being able to trade down last year. No other team was trying to trade up in that God awful draft.

Do you understand that you can't just wish trades into existence? You have to have a willing trade partner....

 

[Malta]

They could have traded down and got Waiters? Says who? Why would Portland have traded up to 4 when the guy they wanted all along (Lillard) wasn't going to go that high? Again, both Sacremento and Golden State were heavily leaning towards taking Waiters themselves. If the Cavs wanted Waiters they had to take him at #4.

And LOL @ being able to trade down last year. No other team was trying to trade up in that God awful draft.

Do you understand that you can't just wish trades into existence? You have to have a willing trade partner....

A good GM floats information, why would Portland trade up? All it takes is "Sources indicate the Cavs and Hornets are in talks to swap picks, Hornets interested in Lillard" to at least put it out there that the player they wanted most could be gone.

Golden state wasn't going to take Waiters, don't believe that bullshyt, they wanted Barnes or MKG from the jump, and you clearly don't watch games if you think the Kings with their overloaded backcourt was going to take him as well when Robinson had been their guy. Take BPA (Robinson) and trade down with the Kings for something, ANYTHING, trade down for the Rockets picks and get Lamb + Parsons + Zeller + future first who were desperately trying to get a pick. Word, nobody was trying to trade up last year, except for the Bobcats who took on Corey Maggettes contract just to get the 7th Probably could have gotten a future first out of them, or dumped a bad contract on them.

Waiters never worked out for the Cavs, they're just going off advanced stats for a guy that came off the bench and played a portion of his minutes against backups. You never even heard of the dude until this week, and now you're defending the pick He could be good, but that isn't the point, it's the reaching from the Cavs GM, it's just stupid.

 

[Idon'tWannaillIjustchill]

A good GM floats information, why would Portland trade up? All it takes is "Sources indicate the Cavs and Hornets are in talks to swap picks, Hornets interested in Lillard" to at least put it out there that the player they wanted most could be gone.

Golden state wasn't going to take Waiters, don't believe that bullshyt, they wanted Barnes or MKG from the jump, and you clearly don't watch games if you think the Kings with their overloaded backcourt was going to take him as well when Robinson had been their guy. Take BPA (Robinson) and trade down with the Kings for something, ANYTHING, trade down for the Rockets picks and get Lamb + Parsons + Zeller + future first who were desperately trying to get a pick. Word, nobody was trying to trade up last year, except for the Bobcats who took on Corey Maggettes contract just to get the 7th Probably could have gotten a future first out of them, or dumped a bad contract on them.

Waiters never worked out for the Cavs, they're just going off advanced stats for a guy that came off the bench and played a portion of his minutes against backups. You never even heard of the dude until this week, and now you're defending the pick He could be good, but that isn't the point, it's the reaching from the Cavs GM, it's just stupid.

Word, Who do you think the cavs should have picked?

 

[KingpinOG]

A good GM floats information, why would Portland trade up? All it takes is "Sources indicate the Cavs and Hornets are in talks to swap picks, Hornets interested in Lillard" to at least put it out there that the player they wanted most could be gone.

Golden state wasn't going to take Waiters, don't believe that bullshyt, they wanted Barnes or MKG from the jump, and you clearly don't watch games if you think the Kings with their overloaded backcourt was going to take him as well when Robinson had been their guy. Take BPA (Robinson) and trade down with the Kings for something, ANYTHING, trade down for the Rockets picks and get Lamb + Parsons + Zeller + future first who were desperately trying to get a pick. Word, nobody was trying to trade up last year, except for the Bobcats who took on Corey Maggettes contract just to get the 7th Probably could have gotten a future first out of them, or dumped a bad contract on them.

Waiters never worked out for the Cavs, they're just going off advanced stats for a guy that came off the bench and played a portion of his minutes against backups. You never even heard of the dude until this week, and now you're defending the pick He could be good, but that isn't the point, it's the reaching from the Cavs GM, it's just stupid.

You can float all the trade rumors in the world, that doesn't mean a team is going to believe them and actually trade assets in order to move up. Look at all the trade rumors that were circulating leading up to the draft and look how few trades actually took place. Teams just don't trade that much during the draft. No one was going to believe that New Orleans was trading up to #4 for Damian freaking Lilliard. Be realistic, man.

Unless you have specific knowledge of the Cavs turning down a trade from a team a few spots below them, then you can't really say they reached. They took the player they had rated as the best available. Had they passed on Waiters he would have gone soon after. Personally, I think Dion Waiters is going to be a better player than Harrison Barnes, Lillard, Terrence Ross, and Andre Drummond. The only available player I believe will be better is Thomas Robinson but a wing player was a much greater need for the Cavs than power forward.

 

[Malta]

Word, Who do you think the cavs should have picked?

I would have taken Robinson, he wasn't supposed to be there at 4, and he was BPA, they could have flipped him to the Kings.

You can float all the trade rumors in the world, that doesn't mean a team is going to believe them and actually trade assets in order to move up. Look at all the trade rumors that were circulating leading up to the draft and look how few trades actually took place. Teams just don't trade that much during the draft. No one was going to believe that New Orleans was trading up to #4 for Damian freaking Lilliard. Be realistic, man.

Apparently the Cavs believed the Warriors wanted Waiters, when West has been typically quiet about the player he wants. Considering the Cavs were also linked to Barnes, doesn't it seem possible that the Warriors floated it out there that they wanted Waiters? Later in the night the Cavs tried to trade for Barnes and the Warriors were like "Nah, we good" yet Waiters was supposed to be the guy they coveted. Son, teams trade up/down during the draft all the time, what are you talking about?

Unless you have specific knowledge of the Cavs turning down a trade from a team a few spots below them, then you can't really say they reached. They took the player they had rated as the best available. Had they passed on Waiters he would have gone soon after. Personally, I think Dion Waiters is going to be a better player than Harrison Barnes, Lillard, Terrence Ross, and Andre Drummond. The only available player I believe will be better is Thomas Robinson but a wing player was a much greater need for the Cavs than power forward.

It was a reach anyway you slice it, how can you justify drafting a player that didn't work out for you, and up until 3 weeks ago was supposed to be mid first round. You don't draft for need in the top 5, you take the best player available and roll with it. Personally you feel he's going to be better than all those guys, yet you never seen him play He has just as high of a chance of being the next Randy Foye as he does being a good player, but that is beside the point. The point was they could have drafted Robinson and flipped him, or taken the Rockets to the cleaners.

Look at the package the Rockets are offering for Eric Gordon, the Cavs could have raped them in a trade....

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Damn, Cavs took him just cuz they heard Jerry West liked him. lmao, our planned worked. We have a great front office.

 

[Big Jo]

lol props to the crowd, the booed the fukk out of stern all night and that nikka was lovin it lol

I was there. They really give it to Stern this year. best moment easily was the Bernard James pick (glad I stayed for it). Crowd was decent overall, but lacked enthusiasm. I noticed lots of empty seats, whereas last year it was packed and the fans were live as hell.

I also ate a weed brownie before I went which was turned out to be an awful, AWFUL decision

 

[tremonthustler1]

I was there. They really give it to Stern this year. best moment easily was the Bernard James pick (glad I stayed for it). Crowd was decent overall, but lacked enthusiasm. I noticed lots of empty seats, whereas last year it was packed and the fans were live as hell.

I also ate a weed brownie before I went which was turned out to be an awful, AWFUL decision

There wasn't much reason for NY and Brooklyn fans to go. They picked 48 and 57. Why bother?

Also, not many moves, not a lot of controversy. The only thing that kept the draft tolerable was the talent.

 

[William Bassington]

I was there. They really give it to Stern this year. best moment easily was the Bernard James pick (glad I stayed for it). Crowd was decent overall, but lacked enthusiasm. I noticed lots of empty seats, whereas last year it was packed and the fans were live as hell.

I also ate a weed brownie before I went which was turned out to be an awful, AWFUL decision

lets hear it

 

[Big Jo]

There wasn't much reason for NY and Brooklyn fans to go. They picked 48 and 57. Why bother?

Also, not many moves, not a lot of controversy. The only thing that kept the draft tolerable was the talent.

Still, the draft is the draft. It's cool to go and hang out once a year. I do think the late NY/ NJ picks hurt attendance, but it also seemed like there was general disinterest (probably due to the shytty finals/ lockout).

Were you there?

lets hear it

Well to give you a quick background, I usually smoke 2-4 days a week. I don't live my life around it, but whenever I get the chance I like to rip bowls of fire nugget or spark a J.

Very recently I've gotten into edibles, basically splitting a couple brownies with friends and sitting on the couch for a few hours watching adult swim or whatever. Definitely a stronger high than weed, but still a fun experience.

So one of my weed buddies and I figure rather than smoke, we'll eat a brownie before the draft. What the fukk, you only live once right? Plus I went last year and it was a great time, so a weed brownie would only make the experience better... or so I thought.

On my way to the draft, I eat a pretty decent sized brownie (bigger than the edibles I did in the past). Drive to the draft, and the third dude we are with agrees to be designated driver on the way back. Parking is a cinch, I'm feeling fine, so far so good.

We get there not long before 7:30, maybe five minutes before. Draft is about to start, I feel the brownie starting to kick in, grab a beer and we go to our seats. Figuring the brownie might be decent but I'll want a stronger buzz later on, I take some pretty hearty chugs of my beer and get situated.

Not long after the first pick, BOOM. High as fukk. Everything just slows down... crazy thoughts start flying around in my head. With every pick it gets fukking worse. By the time Austin Rivers was drafted it felt like a lucid dream. Real talk fam I've never been more uncomfortable in my life. WAY higher than I've ever been, surrounded by cameras, thousands of people, loud noises, flashing lights. fukking intense. I started having mental panic attacks, thinking that I would die. For a while I considered just walking to my car and not coming back or, telling a security guard that I needed help. It was THAT bad.

Tried to do as much as I could to kill the high. Ate a shyt ton of concession stand food, drank two waters and a Sprite. By the mid-20 picks I started to come down to the point where I could function. Not really enjoying myself per se, but the paranoia had gone down and I at least had some connection to reality.

Good news being my Designated Driver friend said for the most part me and my stoned friend were acting fine. Quiet, zoning out but not panicking or anything. So I guess it was internal for the most part. We both agreed though that we would never try anything like that again. It was way too much.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Were you there?

As I usually am.