The "let's not take this shyt so seriously" AEW news & fukkery thread

[dh86]

Smart move if they do it on Thursday for that week, but idk about a permanent Thursday slot. Back to back shows seems odd.

They can easily run a smaller building back to back days, they’re doing that here in early may

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

This has always been the case and the idiot weirdos can’t comprehend. Even the suits are tired of neckbeard Bradleys babbling on.

Speaking of that, your guy was talking to himself in his echo chambers on another Friday evening

Anyway... Will be interesting to see how this develops this week. They haven't really filled out the card yet

 

[Jmare007]

I as well as many others thought all them three hour blocks they were running before the media deal was announced was an audition for a three hour block as a way to get rid of Rampage on Friday nights and we all saw how that went.

But I’ve long been a proponent of moving Collision to Thursday or Sunday nights, particularly Thursdays.

My idea would drastically increase costs so they won’t do it my way though - two separate traveling crews in terms of non-talent and talent, so effectively a roster split. But that means they’d have to hire a lot more people.

Of course, that also means all of the equipment and stuff has to be doubled as well. But that would be a one-time cost until they need to buy new equipment or upgrade equipment. Though admittedly a pretty gigantic one-time cost. The cost for the equipment alone would probably be enough reason to justify not doing it.

But they would be in completely different parts of the country so the two shows aren’t competing with each other for tickets. With a roster split, fans would have a better grasp of what talent is going to be showing up each show. Everyone’s work load would be reduced because they are only working one show a week except during PPV weeks. People being on the road less and away from family less would help prevent burn out as well.

There's nothing to gain from a brand split. We have 2 decades of evidence from WWE that it's a model that needs constant help and breaking of its own rules.

What you gain with a better night on Thursday you lose it with the burnout of back to back nights for the audience, a bigger roster (which means more problems and backstage fukkery) and TK having even more problems to book that he already has (he ain't letting others be in charge of creative, I think we have enough evidence of that too). You also need injury luck and AEW has never had that.

At the end of the day, it's a massive cost that wont reap any meaningful rewards. The only way they end up doing it is if WB makes them because they want their ratings for the Thursday night slot. Warner pays them too much for Tony to say no. But as a product, I don't see any realistic scenario were this ends in a positive.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

There's nothing to gain from a brand split. We have 2 decades of evidence from WWE that it's a model that needs constant help and breaking of its own rules.

What you gain with a better night on Thursday you lose it with the burnout of back to back nights for the audience, a bigger roster (which means more problems and backstage fukkery) and TK having even more problems to book that he already has (he ain't letting others be in charge of creative, I think we have enough evidence of that too). You also need injury luck and AEW has never had that.

At the end of the day, it's a massive cost that wont reap any meaningful rewards. The only way they end up doing it is if WB makes them because they want their ratings for the Thursday night slot. Warner pays them too much for Tony to say no. But as a product, I don't see any realistic scenario were this ends in a positive.

I never said it needed to be a WWE like split where they do a draft to waste tv time then completely ignore the results just days later.

Just behind the scenes be like “You 50 people are in Dynamite, you 50 are on Collision. If we’re doing a double taping you can show up on either show. If your show assignment doesn’t work or you need to change in the future then just let us know. We’ll make it work as long as it works creatively at the moment or will make the change once current creative plans have completed.”

It’s a roster split, but it’s never established in kayfabe. They can change the roster composition of the show whenever they want and it’s not breaking kayfabe. So no need to manufacture a reason for the change like a stupid transfer portal or completely render a draft pointless.

Fans are generally smart enough to figure out when a person has only been on Dynamite for weeks that they are likely an exclusive to Dynamite.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

And they definitely don’t need a bigger roster to do it. They already have too many people as it is.

My plan for two entirely separate traveling shows would increase the payroll, but not because of talent unless they run into a big wave of people voluntarily electing to leave.

WWE’s problem with their brand split all comes down to the fact they do it in in about the most kayfabe way they can possibly do it. Then they just have to constantly come up with ways to explain undermine it.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

But yeah I agree it would cost a lot, but sometimes you got to spend money to make money and hope it pays off over the long term. Especially for a young company that’s still trying to grow. A good bit of the initial upstart expenses for the split would be a one-time fixed cost on equipment until that equipment needs to be replace or repaired. I assume they don’t have double of all their equipment, if they do then a lot of the upstarts costs would already have been acquired.

 

[Jmare007]

I never said it needed to be a WWE like split where they do a draft to waste tv time then completely ignore the results just days later.

Just behind the scenes be like “You 50 people are in Dynamite, you 50 are on Collision. If we’re doing a double taping you can show up on either show. If your show assignment doesn’t work or you need to change in the future then just let us know. We’ll make it work as long as it works creatively at the moment or will make the change once current creative plans have completed.”

It’s a roster split, but it’s never established in kayfabe. They can change the roster composition of the show whenever they want and it’s not breaking kayfabe. So no need to manufacture a reason for the change like a stupid transfer portal or completely render a draft pointless.

Fans are generally smart enough to figure out when a person has only been on Dynamite for weeks that they are likely an exclusive to Dynamite.

In practice it's still the same thing. You have two separate crews working different shows. As you said, people are smart enough to know where their favorites are working and will both tune in and buy tickets accordingly. AEW does not have enough star power to keep two separate shows functioning at a desirable level. Hell, they already tried it when Punk was there and it lasted like 6 weeks before it all went to shyt. Then they tried it again like 2 other times and it never lasted.

You are counting on too many things we have no evidence whatsoever that will happen:

1.- Injury luck + time off for top wrestlers. It's already an issue right now and the people that get hurt don't get those injuries because they work twice a week, it's because of the style their work and just flat out bad luck.

2.- AEW fanbase wanting to watch shows in back to back nights, knowing one show will have a less desirable crew working on it. Plus PPVs, which is the crown jewel of the company, feeling less cohesive because there's gonna be angles and feuds that people are gonna be following even less than they do now, lol.

3.- TK being able to deal with both crews and the creative on a tighter schedule if both shows are live. If the Thursday show is taped, he has to deal with wrestlers bytching about being in the "lesser" show. We already know he fukking sucks at dealing with that kinda shyt.

And they definitely don’t need a bigger roster to do it. They already have too many people as it is.

My plan for two entirely separate traveling shows would increase the payroll, but not because of talent unless they run into a big wave of people voluntarily electing to leave.

WWE’s problem with their brand split all comes down to the fact they do it in in about the most kayfabe way they can possibly do it. Then they just have to constantly come up with ways to explain undermine it.

They gonna need a bigger roster because you need the extra help when days off + injury time starts piling up. It's either that or you gonna end up with a bunch of people working on both shows, which will cause complaining about travel (or expending more to accommodate them to easier travel).

But yeah I agree it would cost a lot, but sometimes you got to spend money to make money and hope it pays off over the long term. Especially for a young company that’s still trying to grow. A good bit of the initial upstart expenses for the split would be a one-time fixed cost on equipment until that equipment needs to be replace or repaired. I assume they don’t have double of all their equipment, if they do then a lot of the upstarts costs would already have been acquired.

I still don't see what's the big positive about separating into two crews.

You spend all that money to have two separate productions ready to function independently for....what exactly? Like I said, all you gain from being in a better night (Thursday) gets negated by all the problems you gain in managing talent and managing creative. Plus you are asking A LOT of your audience with back to back nights.

 

[mannyrs13]

Feel like they have some guys strictly on dynamite and collision. They just gotta keep building up stories on collision that'll be helpful to the overall product like tnt title and tag division or lucha division.

They have enough lower card guys to fill Collision just gotta get some upper card ones to help balance it out.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

In practice it's still the same thing. You have two separate crews working different shows. As you said, people are smart enough to know where their favorites are working and will both tune in and buy tickets accordingly. AEW does not have enough star power to keep two separate shows functioning at a desirable level. Hell, they already tried it when Punk was there and it lasted like 6 weeks before it all went to shyt. Then they tried it again like 2 other times and it never lasted.

You are counting on too many things we have no evidence whatsoever that will happen:

1.- Injury luck + time off for top wrestlers. It's already an issue right now and the people that get hurt don't get those injuries because they work twice a week, it's because of the style their work and just flat out bad luck.

2.- AEW fanbase wanting to watch shows in back to back nights, knowing one show will have a less desirable crew working on it. Plus PPVs, which is the crown jewel of the company, feeling less cohesive because there's gonna be angles and feuds that people are gonna be following even less than they do now, lol.

3.- TK being able to deal with both crews and the creative on a tighter schedule if both shows are live. If the Thursday show is taped, he has to deal with wrestlers bytching about being in the "lesser" show. We already know he fukking sucks at dealing with that kinda shyt.



They gonna need a bigger roster because you need the extra help when days off + injury time starts piling up. It's either that or you gonna end up with a bunch of people working on both shows, which will cause complaining about travel (or expending more to accommodate them to easier travel).


I still don't see what's the big positive about separating into two crews.

You spend all that money to have two separate productions ready to function independently for....what exactly? Like I said, all you gain from being in a better night (Thursday) gets negated by all the problems you gain in managing talent and managing creative. Plus you are asking A LOT of your audience with back to back nights.

Collision went to shyt after 6 weeks because Punk was banning 75% of the roster so we had bumbling idiots like Brock Anderson competing for a TNT title during Punk’s era.

The benefit of two shows with “exclusive” rosters is that people will know if they can reasonably expect their favorite(s) on the show or not. It’s a common complaint and has never really been attempted to be resolved in any capacity. It either leads to people buying tickets and coming away disappointed because they didn’t see their favorites, or people just don’t buy a ticket at all. Neither one should be considered acceptable.

Like I remember a while back seeing on social media the parents of two little girls posted a picture of their girls with signs saying they only came to see Saraya. Saraya wasn’t on the show, she wasn’t even there for a meet and greet. The parents probably threw away a couple hundred bucks or more only to disappoint their kids. A situation that AEW could have easily avoided creating.

 

[Jmare007]

Collision went to shyt after 6 weeks because Punk was banning 75% of the roster so we had bumbling idiots like Brock Anderson competing for a TNT title during Punk’s era.

The benefit of two shows with “exclusive” rosters is that people will know if they can reasonably expect their favorite(s) on the show or not. It’s a common complaint and has never really been attempted to be resolved in any capacity. It either leads to people buying tickets and coming away disappointed because they didn’t see their favorites, or people just don’t buy a ticket at all. Neither one should be considered acceptable.

Like I remember a while back seeing on social media the parents of two little girls posted a picture of their girls with signs saying they only came to see Saraya. Saraya wasn’t on the show, she wasn’t even there for a meet and greet. The parents probably threw away a couple hundred bucks or more only to disappoint their kids. A situation that AEW could have easily avoided creating.

That problem is solvable for zero cost instead of having 2 separate crews and it was attempted to be solved for like a month last year. We all praised it. And then they dropped it. Idk man, your plan sounds like an incredibly expensive idea that gives minimal reward and the main thing it can give you -more info for the fans that want to buy tickets- can still go to shyt if the crews are uneven + it can also be dropped too soon as it has already happened before.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

That problem is solvable for zero cost instead of having 2 separate crews and it was attempted to be solved for like a month last year. We all praised it. And then they dropped it. Idk man, your plan sounds like an incredibly expensive idea that gives minimal reward and the main thing it can give you -more info for the fans that want to buy tickets- can still go to shyt if the crews are uneven + it can also be dropped too soon as it has already happened before.

I’m not saying two separate crews is ONLY for the roster split. The roster split is just part of the plan, because well you would kind of have to do that if you had two shows on back to back nights on opposite ends of the country.

 

[mannyrs13]

this should be interesting

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

this should be interesting

Well fukk you too Hologram

 

[MenacingMonk]

this should be interesting

But why? What about the children?!

 

[dh86]

Kevin made the obvious choice