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'The Last of Us' HBO Series (NO GAME SPOILERS!) | Season 2 Coming Spring 2025 (7 Episodes)
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MischievousMonkey
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Fair enough, I side with Joel's actions too. I totally agree that he would have not cared even if Ellie said so with her own mouth and that Marlene's plan would have never worked.
But I think that she had no other choice but to try an ave maria in that final situation. She kills Joel there and the cure might as well be gone (plus he holds Ellie so there's a huge risk to try and shoot in this situation). When you think about it, she gambles in the exact same way she did in the first episode when she entrusted the most important kid in the world to two smugglers passing by because she couldn't do the job. Except she's in an even more dire situation this time.
As for her abandoning Ellie to a FEDRA's camp, I think Marlene realized how inherently dangerous the Firefly lifestyle was. That's why she refused to let Ellie join when Riley asked her if she could. And given what's shown of the Fireflies in the series throughout the episodes, that's understandable to me. You can argue there's a better life to be lived under a tyrannical structure than the one you suffer through combating it. That's the same shyt FEDRA General Kwong was talking about. In that sense she was honoring her promise up until Ellie revealed herself to be immune.
I wouldn't say she comes off as villainous, I don't think any character does, but she definitely does messed up shyt that she sees as necessary. But as with every character, you can paint that shyt terribly too (especially with her recruiting Riley and not Ellie, a lot could be said about that).
Uhhh EVERYONE is infected and turned they have that in abundance so you are incorrect . The only people to try to get a cure from are people who show no signs of turning and thats happened 11 times before with NO success
And let me add
You can barely get across the country hell they can barely communicate from one city to another but somehow the Fireflies who havnt been successful at anything for over a decade or more are going to extract a "cure" and inoculate people ? How would they make this cure ? How do they know its something that everyone could take ? Or that the "cure" doesn't wear off??
Theres still infected who will attack - there's still a Fedra that will war - there's still raiders that will prey on anyone that has anything ...a cure changes NONE of the way the world now works after 20 years
Joel makes the right decision becuase at the end of they day even IF ellies is the "cure" he killed the guy who thought he could do this "operation" - there's no knowledge that there is anyone else has the ability to do what he did ....if there was the wouldn't have needed to travel all the way across the country to DO this "operation"
Saying Joel denied the world a cure by not handing over ellie is silly- there's no cure the second the doctor picked up the scalpel and told Joel "I'm not going let you take her." whose got him at gunpoint
Picking up that scalpel makes it plain he would kill Joel and Joel is about that life ....of killing
Saw someone on twitter complainging that the show cheaped out on the CGI giraffe and that it looked horrible
People really have no idea wtf they’re talking about
*Of course, 99-100% of people in Joel's situation or mindset (as a "parent") would try to do exactly what Joel did.
*But does that mean Joel is right? No, he's not.
*Marlene and the Fireflies weren't right either. Marlene & Joel both should have given Ellie a choice.
*Ellie would have most likely agreed to do the surgery because unlike what some others have said, Ellie views her ultimate purpose in life to be the "savior of the world". Not to be "Joel's daughter" (as much as she loves and trusts him).
*Would the surgery have worked? No one knows (probably not) but Ellie would have given it a shot. This situation would have terrified Joel and he most likely wouldn't accept Ellie's decision. He would probably still try to kill all of the Fireflies and (in his mind) "save" Ellie.
*Further, why would Joel lie to Ellie and not just tell her the truth about what he did? It's because he knows that Ellie would disagree with his actions and that she would not want to be in his life anymore. She would feel hurt and betrayed and Joel would lose another "daughter". He doesn't want that to happen, so he lies to her.
*But does that mean Joel is right? No, he's not.
*Marlene and the Fireflies weren't right either. Marlene & Joel both should have given Ellie a choice.
*Ellie would have most likely agreed to do the surgery because unlike what some others have said, Ellie views her ultimate purpose in life to be the "savior of the world". Not to be "Joel's daughter" (as much as she loves and trusts him).
*Would the surgery have worked? No one knows (probably not) but Ellie would have given it a shot. This situation would have terrified Joel and he most likely wouldn't accept Ellie's decision. He would probably still try to kill all of the Fireflies and (in his mind) "save" Ellie.
*Further, why would Joel lie to Ellie and not just tell her the truth about what he did? It's because he knows that Ellie would disagree with his actions and that she would not want to be in his life anymore. She would feel hurt and betrayed and Joel would lose another "daughter". He doesn't want that to happen, so he lies to her.
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MischievousMonkey
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No, that's not true. There is a delay between the initial infection and the first appearance of symptoms (as for any virus), among which agression, that lead to the infected person losing their mind. They even put a timeframe on this delay in the show (24 hours if bitten in the legs for example). You can more or less safely run tests on infected persons during this timeframe.
The game explicitly states that Ellie is the only immune person they ever encountered.
Proof that you're wrong from the wiki page posted earlier:
https://thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/Surgeon%27s_recorder
Proof that you're wrong in audio format, directly from the game (timestamped):
Proof that you're wrong in written form:
Proof that you're wrong in different colors for visually impaired people:
If you concede that point, I'm willing to discuss the rest
If you want to cling on a nonsensical argument, that has been disproven fair and square, I'll let you have at it
OneManGang
Veteran
Top 3 superhero fight scene, movie doesn’t get brought up enough.
Whips-n-Chains
Chi
So, we’re they going to take Ellie’s brain out, which would have killed her?
beenz
Rap Guerilla
is it me, or did they wrap up the entire 2nd half of the first game in like 2 episodes?
on the game, I remember joel being injured for hella long.
on the game, I remember joel being injured for hella long.
EzekelRAGE
Superstar
At that point they dont know she has to die to help with the cure. Im sure Joel still thinks they just gonna draw blood, run tests and will be on their way afterwards.to you as well breh
If she isn't in the right mind to make that decision, why give her the choice to stop or continue right before they reached the hospital then?
1.He just killed a dozen fireflies and he dont know who else coming. Aint time to ask Ellie her thoughts and stuff. Plus he can't go "my bad", get another fungus doctor right quick and do the surgery.
2. I said he was wrong for not telling her
3. It's not that he disregarded his wants and needs over hers. He knows she wants to live. This is why I view the FF worse than Joel. Marlene can talk all that shyt but at the end of the day, she was gonna take Ellie's life and not give her a choice in the matter.
You can't say he put her wants and needs over the cure if we dont know she wanted to die for the cure. We do know she wanted to help with the cure and live.
Now all the lying stuff after the fact? Yea, he put her wants and needs etc over her feelings.
She wasnt even holding the gun right. When Joel first taught her and she said Fedra trained her he was like "Yea figures", on some that training trash shyt. I just cant agree with you on the child soldier stuff. They was going over basic stuff not putting bullets in people. You saw how fukked up she was after shooting that guy that almost killed JoelAnd the fact that all that trauma happened in a year or was spread out doesn't change the result for Ellie, who I must point out was taught how to handle a gun to protect herself and others from monsters and humans and put that shyt to work, just like a child soldier. She's every bit of a child soldierNot to mention she grew up in an area where terrorist attacks by the Fireflies were a weekly thing and her classes consisted in learning how to kill them
A true child soldier trained to be heartless woudlve took that person with no issues.
EzekelRAGE
Superstar
Yep. Which neither her nor Joel knew would happen before going there.
