THE LANGUAGE OF GOD (Good Lecture)

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Really good video covering many topics if you can watch the whole thing throughout

At 1hr 5 mins in he really makes his point clear (for those with low attention span) and goes on to sum things up

Just thought I’d share for brehs like @MMS & @Koichos @Jefferson Jackson


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Really good video covering many topics if you can watch the whole thing throughout

At 1hr 5 mins in he really makes his point clear (for those with low attention span) and goes on to sum things up

Just thought I’d share for brehs like @MMS & @Koichos @Jefferson Jackson


Mods don’t close this thread please

here is a thought to potentially show you how I view this topic

if God declared the heavens and earth and then said they were complete and all the host of them. Then time has little meaning when considering how God fashioned everything that exists

which means that time is either intertwined or non-existent. And if its intertwined that means the events of the future influences the past as well as the present.

So in other words, everything that has ever existed is in theory interacting with one another (purely based on Genesis 2).

 

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@DoubleClutch you know how much I love to mention Balaam

but imagine if the interaction of Balaam and the Angel of the Lord was happening at the smallest levels

IE the angel keeps trying to take balaams donkey, but balaam is always tring to ride it somewhere

it could be the precursor to a fundamental force in the universe @Koichos

Genesis 49:14-15

14 Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens:

15 And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute.

in other words, what happens to the Lion King story if there is no Scar?

 

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here is a thought to potentially show you how I view this topic

if God declared the heavens and earth and then said they were complete and all the host of them. Then time has little meaning when considering how God fashioned everything that exists

which means that time is either intertwined or non-existent. And if its intertwined that means the events of the future influences the past as well as the present.

So in other words, everything that has ever existed is in theory interacting with one another (purely based on Genesis 2).

I don’t think we understand time the way god or even people in ancient times did

I would say you’re right on the “intertwined” theory more than saying time doesn’t exist

That’s why even Jesus “didn’t know” the day or hour

And why most false prophets and false religions are obsessed with predicting or bringing to fruition the “end times” or “final hour”

But I digress

I like the point he made about the universe coming to existence and multiverses

What do you think about that analogy

 

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I don’t think we understand time the way god or even people in ancient times did

I would say you’re right on the “intertwined” theory more than saying time doesn’t exist

That’s why even Jesus “didn’t know” the day or hour

And why most false prophets and false religions are obsessed with predicting or bringing to fruition the “end times” or “final hour”

But I digress

I like the point he made about the universe coming to existence and multiverses

What do you think about that analogy

i actually love it

and ill tell you why, its something I mentioned to @Marks regarding "power" and its effect on how we view God and how God creates

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/i-came-i-saw-i-conquered-but-still-fell-short-of-the-lord-he-said-you-have-faith-but-wheres-works-thats-part-of-the-sword-sword-sword.1006335/page-5#post-51155511

in Genesis 49, Jacob says to his sons "Let me tell you what will befall you in the last days"

but if you consider that statement deeper, another way to look at it is Let me tell you what wont befall you in the normal days

on normal days Reuben will be controlled and rarely changing, he will be the weakness of Jacobs power and weakness of his excellence

on normal days Levi and Simeon will never unite, instruments of happiness are in their habitations

on normal days Judah will never be praised, and will be like a lamb (who shall raise him up?)

on normal days Zebulun will never be by the sea, and likely has no borders

on normal days Issachar is a weak ass walking uprightly between two blessings

on normal days Dan never judges his people

on normal days Gad isnt overcome by baboons and isnt worrying about burdens

on normal days Ashers bread is light, and yields common dainties

on normal days Napthali is a hind in captivity, he gives bad words

on normal days Joseph isnt fruitful, and has very few if any branches and his arms are weak

on normal days Benjamin is a domesticated creature and never collects spoils

and these are the tribes of Israel when they are not gathered, and Jacob kept the ghost

Genesis 45:24-28

24 So he sent his brethren away, and they departed: and he said unto them, See that ye fall not out by the way.

25 And they went up out of Egypt, and came into the land of Canaan unto Jacob their father,

26 And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.

27 And they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said unto them: and when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of Jacob their father revived:

28 And Israel said, It is enough; Joseph my son is yet alive: I will go and see him before I die.

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The Little Known Biblical Curse of Egypt by Isaiah

Bakenranef the pharaoh deposed by Piye (time of Isaiah) The Roman historian Tacitus mentions that many Greek and Roman writers thought he had a part in the origin of the Jewish nation: Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out...

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sadly hed be wrong

not only were they historical, but they are based on actual people (see Busiris)

Busiris, a king of Egypt, who used to sacrifice strangers and was killed by Heracles

Egyptians defined "Gods" as living beings, not as one singular omnipotent being (this was reserved for Amun)

thats why in the quran where it says here:

The Quran states that the sorcerers bewitch the eyes of the observers and cause them terror.[42][self-published source] The summoned sorcerers throw their rods on the floor, and they appear to change into snakes by the effect of their magic. At first, Musa becomes concerned witnessing the tricks of the magicians, but is assured by God to not be worried. When Musa does the same his rod, the serpent devours all the sorcerers' snakes.[43] The sorcerers realize that they have witnessed a miracle. They proclaim belief in the message of Musa and fall onto their knees in prostration despite threats from the Pharaoh. The Pharaoh is enraged by this and accuses them of working under Musa. He warns them that if they insist in believing in Musa, he would cut their hands and feet on opposite sides, and crucify them on the trunks of palm trees for their betrayal of the Pharaoh. The magicians, however, remain steadfast to their newfound faith and are punished by Pharaoh

I already linked this but its important to really contemplate what this means. Judah's wife Tamar (which means Palm tree) is a direct ancestor of Jesus christ as per the bible. And Jacob said that in the last days Judah's hand would be in the neck of his enemies.

Genesis 49:8 Hebrew Text Analysis

but to play advocate, the person comparing Horus to Jesus is only doing so to discredit Jesus without actually giving credit to Horus. Horus was "the embodiment" of the king and the divine counterpart of chaos (Set) so the whole setup to their thinking is alittle different than what is protrayed in the gospels.

 

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sadly hed be wrong

not only were they historical, but they are based on actual people (see Busiris)


Egyptians defined "Gods" as living beings, not as one singular omnipotent being (this was reserved for Amun)

thats why in the quran where it says here:


I already linked this but its important to really contemplate what this means. Judah's wife Tamar (which means Palm tree) is a direct ancestor of Jesus christ as per the bible. And Jacob said that in the last days Judah's hand would be in the neck of his enemies.

Genesis 49:8 Hebrew Text Analysis

but to play advocate, the person comparing Horus to Jesus is only doing so to discredit Jesus without actually giving credit to Horus. Horus was "the embodiment" of the king and the divine counterpart of chaos (Set) so the whole setup to their thinking is alittle different than what is protrayed in the gospels.

1. I thought you didn’t agree with any type of sacrifice?

2. I thought Egyptians believed in Gods as Avatars on earth but still believed in actual deity’s like spirits or whatever or the sun, moon, stars etc…

3. Yes everything about afterlife specifically is different than Judaism or Jesus teachings so it’s obvious Jesus isn’t a remix of Egyptian Gods or a extension of the same faith or religion

4. We all know what the Bible says about Egypt and what happened to Pharaoh

5. And we know the Egyptian Hagar wasn’t part of Gods promise to his people

So now you gotta answer why did God harden pharaoh heart?

And why is the story that Israel had to escape Egypt?

Do you have an alternative version to the Bible stories like Muslims do?

And why does Egypt matter today when their kingdom is long gone and failed?

God could’ve made Jesus an Egyptian, why don’t you think he did

 

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1. I thought you didn’t agree with any type of sacrifice?

2. I thought Egyptians believed in Gods as Avatars on earth but still believed in actual deity’s like spirits or whatever or the sun, moon, stars etc…

3. Yes everything about afterlife specifically is different than Judaism or Jesus teachings so it’s obvious Jesus isn’t a remix of Egyptian Gods or a extension of the same faith or religion

4. We all know what the Bible says about Egypt and what happened to Pharaoh

5. And we know the Egyptian Hagar wasn’t part of Gods promise to his people

So now you gotta answer why did God harden pharaoh heart?

And why is the story that Israel had to escape Egypt?

Do you have an alternative version to the Bible stories like Muslims do?

And why does Egypt matter today when their kingdom is long gone and failed?

God could’ve made Jesus an Egyptian, why don’t you think he did

1. I dont agree with sacrifice personally
2. They did, but different dynasties and priesthoods perpetrated different ideas as well. So like greek myths have to be taken into context
3. It depends on how you perceive it
4. There "arose" a pharaoh who did not know joseph... can statues speak? thats why God makes many messages about carved images.

5. God promised Hagar that her son would become a mighty nation
6. see 4.
7. Egypt isnt just a literal place, but also a spiritual system...arguably larger than Judaism
8. We arent reading different books
9. "their kingdom" may seemingly be long gone, but their ways arent nor are the things they made
10. It doesn't say what ethnicity Jesus was but technically he could have been given the fact they fled to Egypt so presumably there were connections.

As I have alluded to @010101 as well is Egyptian idea of God is markedly different than Roman/Greek

 

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1. I dont agree with sacrifice personally
2. They did, but different dynasties and priesthoods perpetrated different ideas as well. So like greek myths have to be taken into context
3. It depends on how you perceive it
4. There "arose" a pharaoh who did not know joseph... can statues speak? thats why God makes many messages about carved images.

5. God promised Hagar that her son would become a mighty nation
6. see 4.
7. Egypt isnt just a literal place, but also a spiritual system...arguably larger than Judaism
8. We arent reading different books
9. "their kingdom" may seemingly be long gone, but their ways arent nor are the things they made
10. It doesn't say what ethnicity Jesus was but technically he could have been given the fact they fled to Egypt so presumably there were connections.

As I have alluded to @010101 as well is Egyptian idea of God is markedly different than Roman/Greek

Can statues speak? Can a “burning bush” speak?



It’s not the statues but what people believe them to represent.

Plus God made man. can Man make a god? The logic doesn’t even add up. You always quote the “destroying idols” scripture.

Call it magic or their imagination or faith in whatever power their deity possess, that doesn’t mean it’s from GOD

Plus Egyptians believed in many gods so that kinda proves my point unless you can prove otherwise

If you believe all books are 1 big book then I guess we are reading the same thing


But then you’d have to agree these books aren’t the “word of God”

Egypt is long gone, but Egyptian legacy/lineage lives on because of Ishmaelite Muslims ironically and that’s Gods plan so I agree they are a “great” nation, but you think this is a positive thing?

And I think we all know why Jesus isn’t Egyptian whether it was written that way on purpose with some agendas, Gods plan (line of David) coincidentally or just historical what actually happened because like I said a lot of the ancient Egyptian and Bible stories can be taken as myth or allegories but almost everyone will agree Jesus was a real person who lived in Israel and was a Jew.

Now if we could go back 2000 years, maybe the narrative would be different and we could separate Myth from reality and history from fiction, but we will never know….. just like we’ll never know who Muhammad really was

 

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Can statues speak? Can a “burning bush” speak?



It’s not the statues but what people believe them to represent.

Plus God made man. can Man make a god? The logic doesn’t even add up. You always quote the “destroying idols” scripture.

Call it magic or their imagination or faith in whatever power their deity possess, that doesn’t mean it’s from GOD

Plus Egyptians believed in many gods so that kinda proves my point unless you can prove otherwise

If you believe all books are 1 big book then I guess we are reading the same thing


But then you’d have to agree these books aren’t the “word of God”

The angel of the Lord told Joseph to flee to Egypt and when he returned the same angel said "all are dead that sought the young childs life"

If you want to potentially contemplate the world of the egyptians you need to assume the words themselves are not dead because their language was connected to nature. Whereas hebrew and paleo-hebrew used different types of symbols. The way you even think would be markedly different if you read/wrote and thought in Egyptian. Once again the definition of Gods to Egyptians were living beings. The ideas in the bible are relying on a different paradigm but only if you consider the dialogue of Abraham -> Jacob and ultimately his sons + daughter. "A mist went up to water the whole face of the ground (Ha-Adamah)"

when I say we are reading the same book im talking about the bible (i have KJV, NIV and Orthodox Study Bible)

read Matthew 2 carefully

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 2 - King James Version

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things...

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technically, a genealogy is like a bush

 

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The angel of the Lord told Joseph to flee to Egypt and when he returned the same angel said "all are dead that sought the young childs life"

If you want to potentially contemplate the world of the egyptians you need to assume the words themselves are not dead because their language was connected to nature. Whereas hebrew and paleo-hebrew used different types of symbols. The way you even think would be markedly different if you read/wrote and thought in Egyptian. Once again the definition of Gods to Egyptians were living beings. The ideas in the bible are relying on a different paradigm but only if you consider the dialogue of Abraham -> Jacob and ultimately his sons + daughter. "A mist went up to water the whole face of the ground (Ha-Adamah)"

when I say we are reading the same book im talking about the bible (i have KJV, NIV and Orthodox Study Bible)

read Matthew 2 carefully

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 2 - King James Version

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things...

www.biblegateway.com

technically, a genealogy is like a bush

I’m no expert on Egyptian things so I’d need to study that myself… but like I said Egypt isn’t relevant today as a world power or world religion so….

Yes the Bible is the same book for us all, but you don’t believe in the traditional “Christian” or Jewish interpretation of the Bible narrative, am I right?

I like to think (not unlike the Muslims today) you don’t trust 100% what’s written in the Bible/torah and you take whatever fits your personal beliefs and maybe historical findings to be true and authentic word of God

The rest can be man made or corrupted

I could be wrong though

Anyways I saw this comment on a video a few days ago and I think it sums up your POV on the Bible/religion. Take a look:

“ I’ve come to the conclusion as of lately to see that Old Testament prophets didn't always see


God and weren't 100% accurate but their view of God was skewed and filtered with paganism and experience as always


God's sovereignty with God still meeting them and revealing Jesus despite their inaccuracy. Jesus alone has expressed God fully and accurately and differentiates Himself from the God who kills steals or destroys.”

Not my words but is he right

 

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I’m no expert on Egyptian things so I’d need to study that myself… but like I said Egypt isn’t relevant today as a world power or world religion so….

Yes the Bible is the same book for us all, but you don’t believe in the traditional “Christian” or Jewish interpretation of the Bible narrative, am I right?

I like to think (not unlike the Muslims today) you don’t trust 100% what’s written in the Bible/torah and you take whatever fits your personal beliefs and maybe historical findings to be true and authentic word of God

The rest can be man made or corrupted

I could be wrong though

Anyways I saw this comment on a video a few days ago and I think it sums up your POV on the Bible/religion. Take a look:

“ I’ve come to the conclusion as of lately to see that Old Testament prophets didn't always see


God and weren't 100% accurate but their view of God was skewed and filtered with paganism and experience as always


God's sovereignty with God still meeting them and revealing Jesus despite their inaccuracy. Jesus alone has expressed God fully and accurately and differentiates Himself from the God who kills steals or destroys.”

Not my words but is he right

i think God gave Moses the torah and that the Torah is divine.

Its important to note that there was a period before the Torah. This is exactly why changing how you perceive it is the only way to see the world that God didn't believe "need" a Torah.

In truth things get real hairy when you consider it that way

Genesis 27:11

11 And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/being-a-man-is-hard-and-u-cant-hide-it.920986/#post-46175268

 

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i think God gave Moses the torah and that the Torah is divine.

Its important to note that there was a period before the Torah. This is exactly why changing how you perceive it is the only way to see the world that God didn't believe "need" a Torah.

In truth things get real hairy when you consider it that way

Genesis 27:11

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/being-a-man-is-hard-and-u-cant-hide-it.920986/#post-46175268

Its important to note that there was a period before the Torah.

^ and historically what time span would this cover

And who is Moses in Egyptian religion context

What about the rest of the Bible prophets? Do you believe in their revelations?

I think the Bible covers what was going on before the torah. Do you not believe in this part of the Bible?

 

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Its important to note that there was a period before the Torah.

^ and historically what time span would this cover

And who is Moses in Egyptian religion context

What about the rest of the Bible prophets? Do you believe in their revelations?

I think the Bible covers what was going on before the torah. Do you not believe in this part of the Bible?

The Bible says that Moses would be "like a God" to Pharaoh

Set (deity) - Wikipedia

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Yet the dispute drags on for eighty years, largely because the judge, the creator god, favors Set.

Pharaoh Seti I (The Prince of Egypt)

Pharaoh Seti I is the overarching antagonist of DreamWorks' 2nd full-length animated feature film The Prince of Egypt, which is based on the Book of Exodus. He is the husband of Tuya, the father of Rameses, and the adoptive father of Moses (the protagonist of the film). Although most of his...

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Exodus 2:11-15

11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?

14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.

15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 2 - King James Version

And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi. And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months. And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with...

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When Ra traveled in his sun-boat, he was accompanied by various other deities including Sia (perception) and Hu (command), as well as Heka (magic power). Sometimes, members of the Ennead helped him on his journey, including Set, who overcame the serpent Apophis, and Mehen, who defended against the monsters of the underworld. When Ra was in the underworld, he would visit all of his various forms.[18]

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