I think the reason why I argue with him so much is because of that, his "idealism." Heck, even his presentation of ideas reminds of how I used to write and talk at times while I was in college--which was only last spring. I reached a point where I accepted certain vices in life and that you have to present ideas to people in a certain way. It's funny, the same things I say to him, people used to say to me on SOHH about how I should "stop typing like I'm in my college class." When I'm arguing with epic, it's almost as if I'm arguing with the purely liberal conscience that I left behind for the semi-consequentialist that I've become. I can actually anticipate a lot of what he's going to say to be honest, but it's because it's what I would've said all of two-half years ago before political economy and upper-level political science courses got a hold of me. He makes the kind of arguments I thought my senior thesis would end up being about. The fact that we're probably close in age kind of irks me, like maybe I gave up on certain ideals too soon. Maybe he's right and I'm wrong. I do not think that government or the world will ever fully work the way he wants it to. But, sometimes it has. Sometimes it does. Sometimes a UN Resolution does work, sometimes a small nation can take the United States to the WTO and win.
So maybe, instead of fast-forwarding past the most-ethical option when I am looking for the solution to a problem, I can take pause and at least consider that it is worth fighting for to some degree. And maybe, that's why posting in HL in more frustrating to me than posting in KTL, I guess I have given up on a lot of the fights people who post here still believe in and some discussions I consider tired. I suppose that's why I come across at times as "why are we even discussing this
," but Epic kind of reminds me why. He does in the same systematic way in which I discard such notions before I even post my perspective.
As far as KOSH, last I heard he was about to follow me on that law school path, he was preparing for the LSAT, no idea where he went or if he went through with it.
Anyhow, Happy New Year's HL, the snow on the east coast kind of ruined some of my plans. It's the only reason I'm online right now. Looks like I'm be spending New Year's Eve at church for the first time in a long time.
It's funny that you and Vic call me an idealist, since most people call me utterly depressing and cynical when they hear or read my worldview. I can understand why both would be mentioned regarding me though (and I'm not insulted).
Interestingly enough, some of those same upper-level Poly Sci courses helped to form my negative critique of the current system of political economy (Including the UN; even though I usually write about what certain countries within the UN do with good reason [unless I write about Intellectual Property or the like], the structure of the UN itself has to be critiqued as well). I just remember being in the class, not hating it and doing well, but being kind of appalled with the lack of breadth and insight beyond orthodoxy in terms of worldviews and ideologies. Everything had to be solution based and "based in reality" (Two of the most poisonous, presumptuous phrases that will come up in political and philosophical debate). My perspective had changed since I got into the major and gotten class and work experience; I no longer found the way in which these perspectives were held to be legitimate. So I had to leave the major and find new perspective.
Also (and I'm not saying that you're off in calling me this), I stopped considering myself ethical (in a certain sense) quite a bit ago. I've been shying away more and more from notions such as ethics as an absolute moral given of reality and a human nature, right and wrong as a constructed binary in the same way, and good and evil as a constructed binary in the same way. I simply accede to two principles when discussing political matters, philosophical matters, their metaphysical presumptions and any actions that may or may not come from it: 1). Things (material, metaphysical, whatever. All that exists in a real or irreal sense) are and are not and from that there are things that can be. 2). "Things can be otherwise than what they are". This post is long enough, so I won't bore you with details, but what I'm saying is that all is a construction, there is no absolute moral ground other than what is created by man attempting to narrativize and interpret the world in a unified way. Ethics as an absolute moral given has no meaning in the way that it and most that use it would like to posit.
I will call myself ethical in this sense: As a bit of a anarchist, politically and (increasingly) epistemologically, I try to unbind myself from what I find to be cultural, epistemological and political oppressions and presumptions about morals, culture, race, knowledge, politics, etc. But if I do that, then there's a demand that comes up that I must share what I know and recognize that others may want to do the same. Now, some will call me a crank and tell me to piss off. But in
that sense, there is an ethical demand. I guess I don't consider any ethical demand in that sense to be separate from what I do intellectually or philosophically (and in that sense, you're just as ethical as I am).
Dammit, this went on too long (and possibly too presumptuous itself). I'm gonna make a thread on ethics using these last two paragraphs. With all of this said about my intellectual history and objections to some terms, I do appreciate the regard, even if I don't think that I deserve it.
(Oh, and @
BarNone, repetition of arguments gives you a chance for new perspective, even if there's no reason to do so. Repetition is life, and it's also never the same thing over again. So even if it's banal, don't be so quick to dismiss it. In general, not just from me.)