The high price of free education in Sweeden

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http://m.theatlantic.com/internatio...of-a-free-college-education-in-sweden/276428/

Swedish colleges and universities are free. Yep. Totally free.

But students there still end up with a lot of debt. The average at the beginning of 2013 was roughly 124,000 Swedish krona ($19,000). Sure, the average US student was carrying about 30% more, at $24,800.

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But remember: Free. College in Sweden is free. That's not even all that common in Europe anymore. While the costs of education are far lower than in the US, over the past two decades sometimes-hefty fees have become a fact of life for many European students. Britain got them in 1998 . Some German states instituted them after a federal ban on student fees was overturned in the courts. In fact, since 1995 more than half of the 25 OECD countries with available data on higher education have overhauled their college tuition policies at public institutions , with many adding or raising fees.


And yet, students in Germany and the UK have far lower debts than in Sweden. And 85% of Swedish students graduate with debt, versus only 50% in the US. Worst of all, new Swedish graduates have the highest debt-to-income ratios of any group of students in the developed world (according to estimates of what they're expected to earn once they get out of school)--somewhere in the neighborhood of 80%. The US, where we're constantly being told that student debt is hitting crisis proportions, the average is more like 60%. Why?

Freedom isn't free

College in Sweden is free. But rent isn't. And food isn't. Neither is the beer that fuels the relatively infrequent, yet legendary, binges in which some Swedes partake. Costs of living in Sweden are high, especially in cities such as Stockholm, which regularly ranks among the world's most expensive places to live. But again, this stuff isn't free for students in other European countries either. So why do Swedish students end up with more debt? It's pretty simple, actually. In Sweden, young people are expected to pay for things themselves instead of sponging off their parents.

Meet Ellie

This is Ellie . She's 22 years old and lives in Stockholm, where she studies engineering and media technology at the Royal Institute of Technology. There's no tuition to pay for the five-year course of study. And because she is from Stockholm, Ellie was able to live at home with her parents for the first couple years of her university career.

"My parents told me, 'You are very stupid to move out because every month you save like 4,000 kroner,'" she said.

In a way, she's an outlier. Sweden population of roughly 9.1 million--smaller than Belgium's--is sprinkled pretty evenly over a geographic expanse greater than Germany's. So for many Swedes, living with mom and dad while attending school isn't an option.

But Ellie is also like most Swedish students, in that she's taken student aid from the Centrala Studiestödsnämnden, or CSN , the state-sponsored entity that distributes student aid in the form of grants and loans.

"Everyone takes the grants," she said. "Almost everyone takes the loan as well."

She's right. According to data collected by the OECD, despite nonexistent tuition costs, Sweden has a virtually 100% uptake rate on student aid. That's why Sweden is all by itself in the bottom right corner of this chart, although its Nordic neighbors are not far behind.

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Moving out

Swedes, like other Nordic Europeans, have an independent streak. They leave their parental homes earlier than almost all their southern neighbors.

One study found that just 2% of Swedish men lived with their parents after the age of 30. In Spain, a quarter of 30-year-old men still are shacking up with mom and dad; in Italy it was around 32%.

Nobody's exactly sure why this is. One of the more fascinating theories is that the differences in the strength of family ties in northern and southern Europe is a faint echo of invasions by the Roman Empire and Islamic caliphates in the Mediterranean region versus the Germanic-Nordic dominance in regions further north.

Or it could reflect the fact that back in the middle ages, young people in northern Europe were often sent out to work as servants outside the family home. Others simply argue that it's the economy, with low wages and high housing costs conspiring to keep southern Europeans living at home.

Whatever the reason, ideas about youthful independence are embedded in the system Sweden devised to pay for higher education. For example, whereas in the US parents are expected to help pay for the their children's college education, in Sweden parental income levels are just not part of the equation. Students are viewed as adults, responsible for their own finances. As a result "levels of student support are based on students' own income, rather than that of their parents," wrote analysts in a white paper on the system. Compare that to countries like Germany, where any aid from the state agency that doles it out, known as BAföG, is premised on parental income. In the US it's the same deal. In Sweden, the entire system is aimed at severing the financial link between parents and young adults.

"The main point is to take away the family's situation," said Torbjörn Lindqvist, an analyst at the Swedish Higher Education Authority in Stockholm. "And look at the student as a grown up standing on his own feet."

Get up, stand up

This is the key. While Swedish students end up with relatively high levels of debt, the monthly costs of carrying that debt are pretty cheap. (It's about 3.8% of estimated average monthly income of new graduates, according to one study.) Interest rates are low. They're set by the government and maintained through subsidies. And the length of repayment is long: 25 years or until the student turns 60. In other words, the Swedish system of student debt is financially manageable and sets students up to begin their lives as viable adults separate from their parents.

Compare that to the US system, where high levels of debt are increasingly impeding young people from taking on the trappings of adulthood . A recent study by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found those with student debt retreating from purchases of cars and homes , for example.

Why this matters

Sure, automobiles and houses are nice. But if you're looking for indicators of adulthood, the must-have accessory is a human infant. And, in a way, that's sort of what this is about.

Across Europe, slumping birth rates represent a long-standingeconomic, demographic and social problem. Sweden, though, is something of a hotspot for European baby-making. Some see clear links between young people moving out of parental homes early and taking the necessary steps to become parents themselves. (Anyone who has ever lived with mom and dad into their 20s will understand this intuitively.) "Childbearing in developed countries almost invariably takes place after young adults have left their parental home, and home-leaving constitutes a central correlate of fertility and union formation in Europe and other industrialized countries," wrote sociologists in this 2006 paper.

With American students, recent graduates, and their families staggering under a growing pile of debt, it's becoming clear the US must change how it pays for college. The Swedish-style, state-led solution will be a nonstarter in the US of A. But the Swedish system helps clarify exactly what student debt is about. It's not just a method of paying for books and professors. In a broader sense, student debt is just our solution for an age-old problem. It's society's way of financing a restructuring period for the currently unproductive assets it will depend on in the future: young people.
 
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(1) The article DOES NOT even indicate a correlation between free tuition and debt...

(2) Free tuition is OBVIOUSLY not the problem...It seems like the bigger problem is that an 18 year Swede just has no clue on how to manage resources...

(3) From the article, I am interpreting that if a young Swede had to pay for his/her own education (a) they would be in a WORST debt predicament or (b) they simply wouldn't attend school due to lack of finances...

The article is interesting, but is TOO WEAK for any capitalist to use to justify financially raping young people by selling them worthless pieces of paper (in many cases) called a degree, considering that piece paper doesn't guarantee one a long and prosperous career (in many cases)...
 

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the student debt problem whether here or in sweden is overrated anyways, college students have always been stuck with loans, thats not new
 

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(1) The article DOES NOT even indicate a correlation between free tuition and debt...

(2) Free tuition is OBVIOUSLY not the problem...It seems like the bigger problem is that an 18 year Swede just has no clue on how to manage resources...

(3) From the article, I am interpreting that if a young Swede had to pay for his/her own education (a) they would be in a WORST debt predicament or (b) they simply wouldn't attend school due to lack of finances...

The article is interesting, but is TOO WEAK for any capitalist to use to justify financially raping young people by selling them worthless pieces of paper (in many cases) called a degree, considering that piece paper doesn't guarantee one a long and prosperous career (in many cases)...

But you're basically reiterating the points of the article. It does not suggest or even attempt to suggest that the free cost of education is why these students are in debt. It clearly says that cost of living is the issue. Realistically the only beef with this article should be the following:
That title is sensational as hell and has little to do with the content of the article.
This. Yet, we all know that without that title, no one is reading the article. That's journalism folks :manny:
 

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My "girlfriend" spent 10k and has two bachelors and a masters...

A Swedish girl I'm friends with has an advanced Medial Degree that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and didn't spend a dime. That said like the article points out her rent is very high and gentrification is a serious problem in Stockholm where she lives.
 
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But you're basically reiterating the points of the article. It does not suggest or even attempt to suggest that the free cost of education is why these students are in debt. It clearly says that cost of living is the issue. Realistically the only beef with this article should be the following:This. Yet, we all know that without that title, no one is reading the article. That's journalism folks :manny:
(1) You are right...

(2) I had to reiterate those points because the article is MISLEADING to say the least...

(3) It is written in a way that subtly suggests that free education is not even worth it, because students end up in debt any ways...

(3) Basically, the writer might as well say "free healthcare isn't worth it, because people will still end-up sick, and in debt due to the associated costs of disease"...
 

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(1) The article DOES NOT even indicate a correlation between free tuition and debt...

(2) Free tuition is OBVIOUSLY not the problem...It seems like the bigger problem is that an 18 year Swede just has no clue on how to manage resources...

(3) From the article, I am interpreting that if a young Swede had to pay for his/her own education (a) they would be in a WORST debt predicament or (b) they simply wouldn't attend school due to lack of finances...

The article is interesting, but is TOO WEAK for any capitalist to use to justify financially raping young people by selling them worthless pieces of paper (in many cases) called a degree, considering that piece paper doesn't guarantee one a long and prosperous career (in many cases)...

saying the education is "free" is misleading to begin with.

and calling degrees worthless is easily disproved.
 
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On the coli they generalize all degree earners as m.a. liberal arts/ b.s. finger painting..


haven't quite figured that out

:patrice:

most degrees are worthless though. in the sense of What matters is the results from individuals
just because you have a degree doesn't automatically make you credible or good at your job, nor will guarantee you success

I know people who are engineers with no degree they just knew somebody who got them a job and got trained when they were hired

I know people who have real estate licenses who've never closed a 500,000 dollar deal in all their lives, and I have closed 6 of them without ever reading a book on real estate taking a class or even getting a real estate license

the bottom line is education has become a business in this country more so than anything
if I can study law on my own time with such tools as Black's Law Dictionary, and can pass the bar exam why should I have to have a degree in order to practice
law, the truth is you don't. The Universities are corporation out to take people's money and also control information. So know everyone is reliant and need their facilities in order to be educated.

Apprenticeship is the best way to learn, because you're learning from someone who's actually doing what is your trying to learn and doing it for a living
If I worked under a lawyer at 16 I would be a lawyer by the time I'm 18,
The Medical Field is problematic because the average person needs the facilities of the Universities, but in society not predicated on money they would learn in the actually hospitals
 

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most degrees are worthless though. in the sense of What matters is the results from individuals
just because you have a degree doesn't automatically make you credible or good at your job, nor will guarantee you success

I know people who are engineers with no degree they just knew somebody who got them a job and got trained when they were hired

I know people who have real estate licenses who've never closed a 500,000 dollar deal in all their lives, and I have closed 6 of them without ever reading a book on real estate taking a class or even getting a real estate license

commercial or residential? and are you actually owning these spaces?

the bottom line is education has become a business in this country more so than anything
if I can study law on my own time with such tools as Black's Law Dictionary, and can pass the bar exam why should I have to have a degree in order to practice
law, the truth is you don't.

anyone can certainly represent themselves as well.


The point originally was that on average if you have a degree you earn more.
 
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commercial or residential? and are you actually owning these spaces?



anyone can certainly represent themselves as well.


The point originally was that on average if you have a degree you earn more.

representing yourself isn't the same as being an attorney
I don't need to take the bar exam to know the law, but nobody would hire me to be their attorney

I'm saying I can take the bar exam right now and become a practicing attorney, in some states you can do this
 
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