The Great UNC-NBA Downfall: Can We Just Be Reality?

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Note: I am not the bad guy, no more than a shark is the bad guy when he smells blood and attacks. I am simply doing what WE do.

As most of us know, UNC had a 30 year run where it produced 5 HOFs (Jordan, McAdoo, Worthy, Cunningham and Larry Brown as a coach…I know, you thought there were waaaaay more, right? That’s that UNC mythology, dogg), many very good, all-star caliber players, from Daugherty to Vince to Stack to Sheed, some “solid” guys like Felton and Lawson and Hubert Davis, and lots of “aight” players and semi-scrubs on title squads, like Kenny Smith to Haywood to Scott Williams.

However, since the 1998 draft, they haven’t produced a single all-star. Meanwhile, Duke has produced four since (Brand, Boozer, Deng and presumably Kyrie) and many “solid” starters and role players like Maggs, Dunny, Dahntay and ‘Gibles and an “aight” player (Batty) and semi-scrub (Ferry) on title teams.

I’ve always maintained that Carolina didn’t have a secret recipe to churning out good players. It was always about Dean Smith’s access to the best talent. How can one simply not admit that Dean dominated recruiting for generations? Did he give all those perimeter players 40 inch verts and great hand-eye coordination and basketball instincts? I highly doubt it. I mean, if it was all about what Dean TAUGHT his players, why wasn’t Lebo a beast? Why Chilcutt ain’t dominate? Jr Reid? Lynch? Montross? Bradley? On and On and On. Could it be because those guys were earthbound? Or because they had bad hands? Low B-Ball IQs? Why were the best players from Carolina always the GIFTED ones?

Now, in 2012, it looks as if UNC has produced another disappointingly “aight” NBA draft class, totally devoid of one potential superstar talent. When will the streak end? I honestly don’t know. I see nothing in the pipeline of concern or significance. The best thing about UK’s re-emergence as a force on the recruiting scene— (actually they are a DOMINANT force) —is that they keep guys away from UNC. I'’ve quietly sat and partied about that, but I must admit… it’'s good.

Obviously, I get blown when UK takes a recruit I wanted at Duke, but some of them guys would never go to Duke anyway. But, Duke has its niche with elite white kids (bigs, specifically), nerdy elite black ballers (wings and points) and DA URREA (some kinda weird nerd-goon hybrid whose parents left for the suburbs in the late80s/90s… (Quinn Cook/Hairston/Dawk/Tyler are just odd to me…but Boozer started the trend), so the hit from UK is not having the devastating impact on Duke that it’s having on UNC. UNC has been obliterated by Coach Cal in recent years. Again, …it'’s good.

My point with all of this is just to say watching the crumbling of the UNC-NBA myth is one of the most satisfying things I’'ve ever witnessed as a sports fan. It was utterly disgusting listening to UNC fans drone on and on about how they “develop” guys and produce superstars, stating it with such authority and condescension, as if it were some universal law that I'’d damn well better submit to or be ridiculed as not knowing anything about basketball. Nah…, I was right. And I'’mma keep talking about this. Some might say I’m pressed and I’'m doing eight much, but you know deep down that I’'m completely justified.

Just because the tide has shifted, it don’t mean I'’m being pressed. It just mean y’all don’t wanna play the game no more. You know how many years of bragging I had to listen to from UNC fans? A LOT! And now I'm the bad guy for bringing up what is happening right before our eyes? I'm the bad guy for bringing attention to this? I'm the problem now?

There could be an opportunity for actual DIALOGUE here about player development, recruiting, which programs are the best fits for certain kids who wanna make it to the NBA, but when I used to try to have that conversation I got partied on "NOPE...y'all just produce BUMS...no excuses."

Again...I'm the problem? :comeon:

Please.

The game is the game.
 
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I think Barnes @Golden State will develop nicely. all-star? I don't know
 
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TYRONE GA!
like I told my boy the other day, maryland not our rival, so I honestly don't care.

I hate FSU way more than maryland

Don't worry we'll take care of FSU in football in the ACC Championship game since Miami self imposed a bowl ban again.

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maybe... but couldn't one argue that the players leaving early hurt UNC more than any where else? Can Coach K really take credit for the Duke players who were barely there that find success in the L? (Kyrie)​

Dogg, K can't even take credit for Grant Hill as far as I'm concerned. ELITE talent is gonna be good no matter where they go. Simple as that. That is the entire point of this thread. UNC used to stock up on ELITE talent. Not anymore.
 

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Roy Williams isn't recruiting NBA stars just good college players. I'm not impressed with this McAdoo cat either TBH. And Barnes is going to be a perennial bench warmer
 

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Dawg... Rivers is sorry and Plumlee ain't good either. Wouldn't you say that Duke's 2012 draft class is equally shyt? What about Kyle Singler faking the funk by going to play overseas even tho everybody knew he wasn't getting drafted. Reddikk is only getting playing time becuz Orlando is puke status.
 

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I can see that.

Kentucky CLEARLY has the elite talent on lock nowadays... :to:

that's all i'm saying, dude.

now everybody wanna cop pleas and say i'm pressed. :rudy:

ELITE talent makes "development" much easier.

i used to try to compromise and be reasonable and convince dudes that laettner had a "solid" NBA career, even making an AS team. but, then it was about what he was "supposed" to be? he wasn't the next bird or mchale, so he was a bust. But, see, when I flip that and hold some feets to the fire on Stiff Hipped Barnes, I'm the jackass? Do you remember what was said about Barnes? Oh Lord...Holy Shyt...The Hype! Now, we wanna hide behind "solid." No, he don't get to be solid.
 

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that's all i'm saying, dude.

now everybody wanna cop pleas and say i'm pressed. :rudy:

ELITE talent makes "development" much easier.

i used to try to compromise and be reasonable and convince dudes that laettner had a "solid" NBA career, even making an AS team. but, then it was about what he was "supposed" to be? he wasn't the next bird or mchale, so he was a bust. But, see, when I flip that and hold some feets to the fire on Stiff Hipped Barnes, I'm the jackass? Do you remember what was said about Barnes? Oh Lord...Holy Shyt...The Hype! Now, we wanna hide behind "solid." No, he don't get to be solid.


Barnes is supposed to be Kobe. Lol. I remember that shyt.
 
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