The Great Pyramid, Antarctica & Flat Earth [Discussion Thread]

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Ghostwriter said:
I was wondering who the ignored member was bumping my thread.:russ:I put that cac troll on my ignore list from time.

If you have me on 'Ignore' it's amazing how you were able to quote and reply to my posts.....multiple times.........

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Time to put an end to this nonsense......

The Endless Repetition of a Fake Source for Pyramid Claims

Today’s discussion comes to us thanks to the investigative sleuthing of Le site d’Irna, where we find an interesting inquiry into the sources of a French-language documentary about the pyramids of Egypt. As you can see for yourself at the link, Jacques Grimault’s documentary film La Révélation des Pyramides (2010) is filled with faulty sources and pseudo-scholarly nonsense in service of a bizarre claim that “pyramid” sites at Easter Island, South America, Egypt, and China all align along two lines intersecting at Giza—as, indeed, Great Circle mathematics shows that one can make any two points “align” using such methods. According to the film, the only explanation for advanced pyramid technology is a lost Atlantis-like civilization.

We’ve heard that one before.

What I found interesting enough to report here is the misuse of an ancient source in service of this modern myth. According to the film, as translated at the above link, “Twenty centuries before [the Abbé Moreux], Agatharcides of Cnidus had stated that the Great Pyramid was a geographical image of the Earth.”

That ought to be easy to check, right?

But not so!

We start in modern times. In 2007, the ex-neo-Nazi diffusionist Frank Joseph wrote in Opening the Ark of the Covenant that “the Greek geographer and historian Agatharchides of Cnidus concluded that it [the Great Pyramid] ‘incorporated fractions of geographical degrees.’” Thus, it was a model of the earth itself. Robert Schoch agreed in 2005’s Pyramid Quest. Earlier, in 1995, John Anthony West (who, you will recall, believes I am evil and attempting to destroy him) wrote in The Traveler’s Key to Ancient Egypt that “all allusions to the pyramid as an earth model could be traced back to the peripatetic Greek philosopher Agatharcides of Cnidus.” Similar material appears in Colin Wilson’s and Rand Flem-Ath’s The Atlantis Blueprint (2000), repeating nearly verbatim material in Wilson’s From Atlantis to the Sphinx (1996) and Wilson’s and Damon Knight’s Mammoth Encyclopedia of the Unsolved (2000); and these books give exact measurements allegedly derived from Agatharcides. These numbers are found even earlier in Charles Berlitz’s Mysteries from Forgotten Worlds (1972), again attributed to Agatharchides.

But turning back any further and we hit a wall. The oldest reference is from 1971, when the classical scholar Livio Catullo Stecchini (1913-1979), a defender of Velikovsky and pyramid numerology, wrote an appendix to Peter Tompkins’s Secrets of the Great Pyramid (1971), wherein the author makes the first version of the claim. As Le site d’Irna quotes, Stecchini presented extraordinary detail about Agatharchides compared with his extant works:

The interesting feature of Agatharchides’ report about the dimensions of the Pyramid is that he excludes the pyramidion from the reckoning. [...] From Agatharchides’ account one gathers that the Great Pyramid of Giza was topped by such a pyramidion, "small pyramid," as the Greeks called it. In the case of this Pyramid, at least, the pyramidion was used to achieve a mathematical result. (page 372)

[...] the top of the Pyramid was conceived as cut off in the computation presented by Agatharchides.

An essential point of Agatharchides’ account is that he describes the Pyramid as having an apothem which measures a stadium up to the pyramidion and having a side which measures 1 1/4 stadia. The term stadium has a double meaning: it refers to 1/10 minute of degree and it refers to a specific unit of measurement. Agatharchides uses the term in both senses. (page 372)

From Agatharchides we learn that the apothem up to the pyramidion had a length of a stadium, that is, 1/10 of a minute of degree. (page 373)

Agatharchides interprets the dimensions of the Pyramid also by taking the word stadium as referring to the stadium of 600 geographic feet. (page 373)

According to Agatharchides the side of the Pyramid is 1 1/4 stadia or 750 feet (230,847 millimeters), and the apothem is a stadium or 600 feet. The side of the base of the pyramidion is 9 feet. The figures indicate that Agatharchides was not concerned with presenting the actual dimensions of the Pyramid, but in illustrating the mathematical principles according to which the Pyramid had been conceived. (page 373)

Having started with the mentioned meridian triangle, Agatharchides cut off the side so as to reduce the apothem to 600 feet and the base to 371 feet, excluding the part of the base below the half of the pyramidion. (page 374)



Not a lick of this material appears in ancient sources, which amount to a few paragraphs of fragments from Photius, Diodorus, Strabo, and others. So far as I am aware, the first authors to claim the Great Pyramid represented the circumference of the earth were John Wilson, author of The Lost Solar System of the Ancients Discovered (1856) and Edme François Jomard, editor of the Description de L’Égypt. The warrant, as Jomard had it, was that the Pyramid’s coffer was so close to the French meter (itself designed to be one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole) that the Pyramid must therefore embody astronomically-derived measurements. Other authors, like Hekekyan Bey and A. Dufeu similarly argued that the pyramid encoded the circumference of the earth in its various measurements, if multiplied by special numbers only they were able to deduce.

I have no idea where Stecchini got his material, but I can make a stab. Flinders Petrie measured the base of the Great Pyramid and, after doing some restorations to find the size with the missing casing stones, he suggested it as being 440 royal cubits per side, using simple geometry calculated from the height of the pyramid, 280 cubits. Petrie then explained that these 440 cubits were equivalent to 1.25 stadia, giving five stadia for the whole circumference. Petrie also gave a chart explaining the various measurements and their relationship to each other and to the earth. Since Petrie is the first pyramid writer to give these particular numbers (though the 440 cubit claim apparently predates him), he must therefore be the originator of the measurements cited by Stecchini.

I do not know, though, why Stecchini would make up a fake ancient source for Petrie’s measurements. The only insight I can offer is that a character by the name of Agatharchides was the subject of an ancient bit of pseudo-scholarly fraud. A certain non-existent Agatharchides of Samos was cited in the Parallela Minora of pseudo-Plutarch (2.1), a document that many scholars feel was meant as a parody of Plutarch, and Alan Cameron (Greek Mythography in the Roman World, Oxford, 2004) points out that this fellow never existed, though it did not stop centuries of scholars from puzzling over whether he was real and if so what happened to him and his books. Perhaps Stecchini was honoring the dubious citations of this figure with his own bogus citation of another by that name, but, alas, Stecchini is long dead and all we have is dozens upon dozens of pseudo-scholars repeating his claims as though they were ancient fact.

Addendum:​

Jacques Grimault is a well known imposter, attention seeker, fraudster and Guru. He cites his own book "La révélation des pyramides" publication date:7 April 2005, Carnot editions,EAN13 : 9782848551289 ISBN : 978-2-8485-5128-9, but the book isn't available anywhere, neither in libraries nor in bookstores, & there is a good reason for that. The book was never written & never published in the first place, according to Opale-Plus,the catalogue of the BNF (the Bibliothèque nationale de France). Grimault defrauded the editor,he sold the project & the name of the book to the director of publications,received some advance payment,but never delivered anything.
Jacques Grimault is also since 2008 the president of a publication & an association called “Atlantis”.This association is a sect. Grimault also acts as the president for yet another esoteric association: "Association fédérative de recherches libres, La Nouvelle Atlantide".


Believe the claims of a known fraud, brehs.

Argue and parrot nonsense that has NO proof, brehs.

Accuse people of being CACs yet believe the PROVEN LIES of CACs, brehs.

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I guess Napoleon has a new alias or you're just so stupid you forgot who you were comparing me to in your prior statement.......:sas2:

lol i twas zoned out when i replied(even moreso now) to that&read it wrong..for the record this is NGN from the :hamster:,i didn't know Napoleon posted on the :hamster:

and for the hades of it what do you think of Tesla's thoughts about the pyramids being power plants,more pseudo science..?
 

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:lupe:The Pyramids found in the Antarctica are even more a mystery since no one is basically allowed to explore there. Some say Atlantis might be hidden under all the ice and snow. Others say it's a huge hole that goes into the earth.

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This is something I’ve been meaning to get into
 

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This is something I’ve been meaning to get into
The Byrd pilot that the Rothschild and Rockefeller family funded to fly around Antarctica admits he saw a giant hole hundreds of miles wide that was an entrance of some sort. :mindblown:I'm trying to find a decent documentary on all of this.
 

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I don't believe aliens built the Great Pyramid but whomever did build them had vast knowledge & technology that's been lost.

Giza plateau

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Orion's Belt

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Olympus Mons mountain range on Mars

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Lol. Ok? You switched up first you were given aliens the credit but now you want to give it to the egyptians. But anyways my point was to show that ancient man contray to popular belief could achieve a lot of these things by understanding math as it correlates to the physical world and a lot of these patterns are present in life it self.
Exactly people in Africa were doing surgery using ants to close wounds and making forges and kilms way hotter than any other place in the world at that time. Our knowledge was mainly passed down orally and cacs and colonization fukked it up. There's a ton of lost knowledge.
 

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Not lost. Cacs stole all that knowledge from Egyptians. That's why now these cac bankers/freemasons etc run the world. They will never share that knowledge they possess which is not the version of history they teach us in school.
Egyptians aren't/werent the only Africans with great achievements or knowledge
 

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Egyptians aren't/werent the only Africans with great achievements or knowledge
Yup not only Africa, but all across Asia. The Chinese got pyramids too and they are even more secret with the knowledge they possess.
 

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Knicksman20 said:
I don't believe aliens built the Great Pyramid but whomever did build them had vast knowledge & technology that's been lost.

Giza Plateau

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Orion's Belt

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That is all entirely bullshyt based on a 1994 book by Robert Baval titled The Orion Mystery.......

Scott Wolter, Robert Bauval, and the Orion Correlation
Bauval, writing in 1994, had argued that “the pattern of Orion's Belt seen on the 'west' of the Milky Way matches, with uncanny precision, the pattern and alignments of the three Giza pyramids!” That claim did not survive the 1990s, though fringe writers routinely fail to remember how Bauval has quietly revised and walked back his claims little by little over the past twenty years.

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The pyramids don't match the reality in the sky.​
In order for the pyramids to align as shown in the above photo, you'd have to turn Egypt upside-down....EXACTLY WHAT BAUVAL DID IN HIS BOOK!!!!! Even then, they still don't align!!!!! Let us continue......
It’s also worth remembering that Bauval, by his own admission in The Orion Mystery, derived his idea from the inspiration of ancient astronaut theorist Robert Temple, who had argued that ancient Egyptian cities (and one in Greece) formed an image of the constellation Argo on the orders of space aliens. Oddly, no one seems to support the Argo correlation anymore, and Bauval has downplayed his use of Temple’s ideas since the mid-1990s.

In defending his Orion Correlation Theory, Bauval admitted in 2000 that there was no exact alignment, only a “symbolic” alignment, dependent on how much you believe the Egyptians wanted to map stars on the ground. We are left with only with Bauval’s flailing defense of his own theory when its “precise” correlation had been roundly debunked:

… if we give these two images to a 'scientist' who does not take into account symbolic, intuitive or sentimental motives, he or she will just compare the two 'maps' and see if there is a precise match. The answer must be no, there isn't. As the author John Gordon pointed out to me, such approach is an example of the misusing science. Because in such cases a scientist can say, with hand on heart, that something is 'wrong' when, in fact, it is right.

In other words, like Stephen Colbert, Bauval promised to “feel” history “at” you rather than demonstrate truth scientifically. This was the moment when the Orion Correlation Theory betrayed its claim to “scientific” underpinnings and became an argument about faith—one that undercut Bauval’s original claim........ By the time of Black Genesis (2005), Bauval threw up his hands and decided that he no longer viewed “the Orion’s-belt-to-pyramids layout match as a highly precise date,” but rather targeting a “symbolic” date of sometime between 12,000 and 11,000 BCE, more or less. In other words, his hypothesis lost all of its scientific precision and relied instead on the degree of faith you have in the Egyptian engineers being precise in some things but not others.

So why is it that the ancient engineers—or in the case of the New York Freemasons, modern ones—are willing to spend centuries building monuments to Orion but failed to correctly align their buildings, obelisks, and cities to the stars of Orion?
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