THE GRAPEVINE : Hoteps & "The Gay Agenda"

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Not sure what the videos are about..but If you hate gay blacks then youre not pro black...


I don't hate gay blacks but I strongly disagree with it and will not associate with anyone gay. Being gay is a life choice and being discriminatory based on others life choices is the basis of human psyche.
 
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The question is why the fukk do you care? If you down for all black people you are down for gay blacks too because their blackness is more important to you than their sexual orientation.


I 100% agree with this and the day that straight AND Gay black people can understand this the better.

Even Huey Newton said the same goddamn thing.

I think the big GAPING hole that keeps us disconnected is the very REAL tool utilized by White Supremacy of feminization and emasculation of black men. This is something that cannot be denied, however, when this is brought up it is directed as "homophobic".

I don't know how bridge that gap myself because if a Gay black man were to make the argument that he can be just as pro-black as me (a straight black man) I wouldn't disagree. But then if someone makes the case that the media representations of black men in the last 10-15 years have been geared towards depowerment and emasculation I wouldn't disagree either
 

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IGNORE WOMEN, fakkitS, AND WOMEN-IDENTIFIED STRAIGHT MEN AND BUILD!!!!
This makes no sense. The only way for a community to build is for the people in the community to support each other. Black men aren't going to able to build shyt while ignoring 90% of the community who is actively working against them.
 

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This makes no sense. The only way for a community to build is for the people in the community to support each other. Black men aren't going to able to build shyt while ignoring 90% of the community who is actively working against them.

You don't need numbers to build, breh. That's a myth. Most successful movements start off small and then ppl eventually tag along when they see them producing actual results. Most ppl are just followers.
 

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You don't need numbers to build, breh. That's a myth. Most successful movements start off small and then ppl eventually tag along when they see them producing actual results. Most ppl are just followers.
This is an empty post not saying shyt. Black men aren't going to be able to build anything without the support of black women. Hell, you are going to continue to see black men becoming more and more bytchmade and feminized because that's how they're being raised to be by black women.
 

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That dork said being a feminine, emasculated male does not prevent you from being a leader.. :snoop:

It doesn't masculinity and leadership are not mutually exclusive. One can be a leader and at the same time be feminine. The fact that you equate leadership with masculinity is kinda fukked up breh.


Your Momz is a leader, she a bulldagger, breh? :sas2:
 

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If the common denominator between black gays, black women, black trannies and black men is their blackness, wouldn't fighting for "black rights" (meaning rights that are common to all black ppl and not specific to a particular subgroup) benefit all of the aforementioned groups by definition? Why is focusing on black rights as opposed to "gay rights" oppressive to black gays? :patrice:

Some of these dumb smart clowns are making the argument that unless you fights for gay rights and the individual rights of every black subgroup, you're not really fighting for black rights, which is just retarded.

If you take on "minority rights", "women's rights" and "gay rights", which are much broader causes that encompass far more groups than just "blacks", many of whom are way better off than black ppl by virtue of their race/ethnicity, does that not detract from (what should be) your the primary objective which is black rights? :patrice:

In fact, that's exactly what has happened since the civil rights era. :manny:
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MLK wasn't killed until he championed the Poor People's Movement, Fred Hampton wasn't killed until he was bringing together poor people of all creeds. Malcolm wasn't killed until after his Hajj and he realized Islam was inclusive.

You can recognize that the situation of multiple peoples is fukked up while still understanding that to solve some of your OWN people issues, you have to by proxy solve the issues of others as well. That is what intersectionality is really about. Its not about choosing one groups rights or battles over your own, its recognizing that if we were to end the scourge of jerrymandering for instance we first have to eliminate the voter illiteracy and political miseducation and big money in politics. NONE of those issues are unique to the black experience, and yet they are integral to our continued oppression.
 
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The point that the dude with the ear gages brought up is somewhat true. But that just speaks to the bigger problem of white supremacy that has suppressed the black man.

At the end of the day, white supremacy prefers other men to be ghey and docile, and it prefers women bc that's what it's comfortable around.:yeshrug:

And that superssion is the reason why a lot of bm have yet to form an organized front for liberation after co intel pro. Most hoteps just talk a good game but don't practice what they preach and the "warrior class" of men are subconsciously feel no alligiance to anything tangible so their left aimless to fight among eachother for blocks that arent theirs which leads to more men incarcerated, Which is why women and ghey nikkas are the face of black liberation in america now in 2017. A lot of bm have been broken down and their spirits and will to fight has been shyt down. Why you think so many dudes are content with just doing drugs, fukking bytches, and nickel and diming or just working a min wage job. Our spirits are BROKEN!


Anyway, imo I think we(bm bw lgbtq) all should be equal. No group of people should below another bc that builds resentment, which is the last thing Black people need, .......but if these mfers think that It should be just the black woman leading the way, then white supremacy had done a good job fukking their minds up.

Hit the nail on the head with this one wonder how the identity politics crew would address this argument.
 
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