The Degradation Of Electronics

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I remember we had one of the first vhs players (JVC) when they came out, rented a crazy amount of movies that always had to be rewound before return, thousands of movies and rewinds later, it still works. *Is on third dvd/blue ray player.

We had a Sony Trinitron when they first introduced picture-in-picture and it is still working till this day at my mothers home. *Finds dead pixel in lcd screen 3 months in.

I have a Sony Walkman with the switch so you didn't have to flip the tape over, still works. * Burnt out 3 cd players and an mp3 player in the same time frame.

Had and NEC Powermate Pentium 75 with 8 megs of ram and 540 MB hard drive (lol), still boot ups *Is on 4th laptop.

Are the quality of electronic components purposefully reduced in order to boost a high turnover rate. Are manufactures using low quality components to further their bottom line? What are the companies you would say are dedicated to providing high quality electronics?
Yes. I was talking to some engineers about the quality that goes into producing luxury cars these days and he said one of the biggest reasons you see BMW's on the side of the road is because of cheap parts.
 

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I remember we had one of the first vhs players (JVC) when they came out, rented a crazy amount of movies that always had to be rewound before return, thousands of movies and rewinds later, it still works. *Is on third dvd/blue ray player.
We had a Sony Trinitron when they first introduced picture-in-picture and it is still working till this day at my mothers home. *Finds dead pixel in lcd screen 3 months in.
I have a Sony Walkman with the switch so you didn't have to flip the tape over, still works. * Burnt out 3 cd players and an mp3 player in the same time frame.
Had and NEC Powermate Pentium 75 with 8 megs of ram and 540 MB hard drive (lol), still boot ups *Is on 4th laptop.
Are the quality of electronic components purposefully reduced in order to boost a high turnover rate. Are manufactures using low quality components to further their bottom line? What are the companies you would say are dedicated to providing high quality electronics?
Depends.
I find that desktop PCs have more longevity than laptop computers.
I've had a no-name ghetto VCR player (I think it was a Symphonic brand) that lasted for years and a Sony DVD player that crapped over a little over a year. I replaced it with a Toshiba DVD player which still works well, but the on-screen menu interface is ghetto city. But, I got a Sony Blu-ray player that is still running good.
 

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Depends.
I find that desktop PCs have more longevity than laptop computers.
I've had a no-name ghetto VCR player (I think it was a Symphonic brand) that lasted for years and a Sony DVD player that crapped over a little over a year. I replaced it with a Toshiba DVD player which still works well, but the on-screen menu interface is ghetto city. But, I got a Sony Blu-ray player that is still running good.
great find :ehh:
 

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great find :ehh:
I have a number of desktop PCs that I kept longer than normal.
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I have a number of desktop PCs that I kept longer than normal.
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i was sonning you on the low. don't you think it's kinda obvious that desktop outlast laptops considering laptop cpu and gpu's can't be upgraded and desktop have expansion slots...
and a desktop by design can stay longer than a laptop cpu & gpu's will make their motherboards will overheat if left on too long.




but you're still a genius to me. :myman::steviej:
 

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as OP states, japanese products are generally high or highest quality. when it comes down to the motherboard components japanese make the highest products and export the technology to lower quality taiwan, indonesia, china for cheaper labor. Japanese electronics are the highest quality of asian electronics. they try their best to make flagship items in japan while have their lower end products made in taiwan, indonesia etc
the problem today imo i think is that technology moves fast. most ppl just for obvious reasons don't buy high end products because they'll be outdated in a few years anyway. most ppl would rather buy a cheap dynex tv with cheaper components than a sony.
the cheaper lines has been hurting the high end products to the point that the high end guys gone in on the cheap entry lvl products.

but generally speaking anything made in japan/germany is quality. korea's samsung has stepped up.
nec is highest quality. sony's good. apple went with foxconn cause they're the best factories..



so even though the Roland's and yamahas that break give the japanese companies a bad name it's probably cause they're coming out of factories in indonesia and what not. the yamaha professional quality equipment hangs with the best of them if not better. but labor in japan is high. just like the cost of labor here is high.

so the next question is why is it not worth it to repair sh1t anymore.. cause technology moves so fast it isn't worth it. manufacturers have incorporated warranties in their products...

china's still way behind. china's standards are low. when I see the made in china on anything I get nervous. high end american products made in china like dell are alright. dell quality standards are high and are backed by dell warranty. unlike samsung which is high quality but are more difficult to honor their warranties.
anything can fail these days cause technology's moving so fast so at a large scale quality control's slippin

do you think it is too late for an African nation(the continent as a whole is growing economically every year) to make an iconic technological device?
 

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I think it has to do with the demand patterns of Americans. In the U.S. people tend to go for the latest electronics with the most amount of spec possible but don't value quality as much. U.S. middle class has enough money to continuously spend on spend on high specs electronics but won't go for the high-end goods that have the best quality overall due to the price tag (I don't blame us).

Another huge factor is that Japanese-made electronics strictly follow Lean 6 Sigma principles (heck they are the pioneers). When you look at how other countries like the U.S. and China try to adopt Lean 6 Sigma, you don't see the success as you do with Japanese companies. The reason maybe due to employee culture and how corporations approach quality. Many of these manufacturers are now MNC (multi-national corporations) and it take a lot of work and time to successfully implement Lean 6 Sigma in your permanent business operations and culture. You saw what happened with Toyota in the late 2000s and the failure of quality. They expanded too quick without proper planning and incorporating Lean 6 Sigma in to manufacturing and business processes. The result was U.S.-made cars having huge design flaws and a big amount of defectives. Something Toyota was never known to experience. The same can be said for a companies having factories in China. Heck I did a paper on how Chinese factories did a piss poor job in implementing Lean 6 Sigma. Basically what @Kritic was stating earlier.

At the end of the day it is about the consumers wants and profit maximization :yeshrug:

Just my 2 cents.
 
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do you think it is too late for an African nation(the continent as a whole is growing economically every year) to make an iconic technological device?
it's too late. multi corporations is the new colonialism. africans have been courted into believing the western world way of economics which doesn't really benefit them and makes them hand over their resources without a fight.
africa doesn't even belong to black ppl at this point. if it's not the west raping africa, it's indians, asias and anyone else other than africans. they exploit corrupt african leaders.

sure there are individuals who can make millions for themselves but as a whole africa is sinking.

africans are least suspicious about the west's intentions and think the west has their interests at heart which is the furthest from truth. the west has studied africa to the fullest and encourages corruption in africa only to turn against these same leaders/nations to their convenience. they are monitoring, buying [and stealing when they can] africa's technological advances. all in all africa can only remain where it is or go downhill.
 

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it's too late. multi corporations is the new colonialism. africans have been courted into believing the western world way of economics which doesn't really benefit them and makes them hand over their resources without a fight.
africa doesn't even belong to black ppl at this point. if it's not the west raping africa, it's indians, asias and anyone else other than africans. they exploit corrupt african leaders.

sure there are individuals who can make millions for themselves but as a whole africa is sinking.

africans are least suspicious about the west's intentions and think the west has their interests at heart which is the furthest from truth. the west has studied africa to the fullest and encourages corruption in africa only to turn against these same leaders/nations to their convenience. they are monitoring, buying [and stealing when they can] africa's technological advances. all in all africa can only remain where it is or go downhill.

you may be right about the technological product but isn't it a bit pessimist to say it can only stay where it is(Africa) or go downhill?

maybe they think outside the box and create something else iconic that we cannot think about right now

could be a company
 

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I think it has to do with the demand patterns of Americans. In the U.S. people tend to go for the latest electronics with the most amount of spec possible but don't value quality as much. U.S. middle class has enough money to continuously spend on spend on high specs electronics but won't go for the high-end goods that have the best quality overall due to the price tag (I don't blame us).

Another huge factor is that Japanese-made electronics strictly follow Lean 6 Sigma principles (heck they are the pioneers). When you look at how other countries like the U.S. and China try to adopt Lean 6 Sigma, you don't see the success as you do with Japanese companies. The reason maybe due to employee culture and how corporations approach quality. Many of these manufacturers are now MNC (multi-national corporations) and it take a lot of work and time to successfully implement Lean 6 Sigma in your permanent business operations and culture. You saw what happened with Toyota in the late 2000s and the failure of quality. They expanded too quick without proper planning and incorporating Lean 6 Sigma in to manufacturing and business processes. This greatly reduce their quality and brand name. The same can be said for a companies having factories in China. Heck I did a paper on how Chinese factories did a piss poor job in implementing Lean 6 Sigma. Basically what @Kritic was stating earlier.

At the end of the day it is about the consumers wants and profit maximization :yeshrug:

Just my 2 cents.
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Imagine if this was the case for architects and construction firms. A house only lasting ten years before the foundation collapses.
:mjpls:If you only knew how cheaply these new houses are built, 4500 square feet of particle board and chinese drywall made from recycled paper. Most modern houses wont be standing in 50 years.
 

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and this is why i rarely buy anything new or first generation. Let them work the bugs out, then get it on craigs list for 50% off. Electronics don't last now, particularly with how much we use electronics now.
 

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Companies don't vett out technology like they used too...

Essentially Walkman's that came out in the late 70's early 80's were based on technology that came out in the 40's. You might have 2-3 years of R&D on products now...maybe 5-10...demand and bottom lines push companies to bring out product sooner, and its buggy.
 
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