The Deadly Alliance ends in a Fatality: Crawford vs Molina Official Thread plus Ruiz Jr-Parker

[krackdagawd]

that is one of the boxing myths i really want to understand but nobody can seem to show how it even works.

Isn't it who ever has the outside foot has the shortest range for their power hand to land?? Whoever has the outside foot has the benefit in turning his opponent too.........A right hook from a south paw or left hook from an ortho benefits the guy with the foot inside from my experience though.

You look at a guy like Loma who is constantly turning his opponent his foot is always on the outside when he is fighting an ortho fighter.

I get why you would say its a myth because like everything in boxing it depends on the fighter and their ability to do certain things, like there are too many variables to set anything in stone is what your saying?

 

[Yuzo]

Isn't it who ever has the outside foot has the shortest range for their power hand to land??

so they say. but i dont understand how moving your foot anywhere can give your arm any more reach and guys never seem to have any more of a headache when the foot is wrong.

does moving this foot really change the way this right hand hits chris byrd?

whitaker used have his foot wrong a lot and he never seemed any harder to hit wherever his foot was.

You look at a guy like Loma who is constantly turning his opponent his foot is always on the outside when he is fighting an ortho fighter.

heres whitaker turning chavez with his foot wrong.

this is a really good turn and i dont understand how moving his foot anywhere is going to upgrade it.

A right hook from a south paw or left hook from an ortho benefits the guy with the foot inside from my experience though.

why? on what basis?

I get why you would say its a myth because like everything in boxing it depends on the fighter and their ability to do certain things, like there are too many variables to set anything in stone is what your saying?

no i dont understand on what basis having your foot this way or that way creates an advantage or disadvantage.

 

[Axum Ezana]

so they say. but i dont understand how moving your foot anywhere can give your arm any more reach and guys never seem to have any more of a headache when the foot is wrong.

does moving this foot really change the way this right hand hits chris byrd?

whitaker used have his foot wrong a lot and he never seemed any harder to hit wherever his foot was.

heres whitaker turning chavez with his foot wrong.

this is a really good turn and i dont understand how moving his foot anywhere is going to upgrade it.



why? on what basis?



no i dont understand on what basis having your foot this way or that way creates an advantage or disadvantage.

damn same shyt craw does in the 3rd gif......

 

[Yuzo]

damn same shyt craw does in the 3rd gif......

crawford has a really, really nice turn.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

This dude @Yuzo gif game and breakdown is immaculate...

Packeyow don't want it with my son T-Craw...

 

[krackdagawd]

so they say. but i dont understand how moving your foot anywhere can give your arm any more reach and guys never seem to have any more of a headache when the foot is wrong.

does moving this foot really change the way this right hand hits chris byrd?

whitaker used have his foot wrong a lot and he never seemed any harder to hit wherever his foot was.

heres whitaker turning chavez with his foot wrong.

this is a really good turn and i dont understand how moving his foot anywhere is going to upgrade it.



why? on what basis?



no i dont understand on what basis having your foot this way or that way creates an advantage or disadvantage.

Like I said there are variables to everything in boxing because you have to take into account stuff like handspeed, reflexes, etc which are generally different for everyone. You are using gifs of nikkas like Whitaker and Floyd/Wlad them nikkas ain't ordinary bruh.

you don't even need to see his feet to know he has the better foot position here

all that super saiyan movement shyt he does is because he usually always has foot position

look at how easy it is to turn him

Salido was smart and knew this if foot position didn't matter why would he do this?

Like I said im not dealing in absolutes here because there are too many variables when dealing with boxing but I think this general rule is okay imo

 

[Yuzo]

you don't even need to see his feet to know he has the better foot position here

this is what i am saying. what does this even mean?

all that super saiyan movement shyt he does is because he usually always has foot position

look at how easy it is to turn him

these are step arounds. when you step around your step around is going to make your feet move around a guy anyhow. that is just what a step around is.

any step around makes you move this way. heres an orthodox/orthodox step around.

Salido was smart and knew this if foot position didn't matter why would he do this?

thats new.

Like I said im not dealing in absolutes here because there are too many variables when dealing with boxing but I think this general rule is okay imo

ok. now how does it work. this is what i really want to know.

 

[krackdagawd]

this is what i am saying. what does this even mean?



these are step arounds. when you step around your step around is going to make your feet move around a guy anyhow. that is just what a step around is.

any step around makes you move this way. heres an orthodox/orthodox step around.

thats new.



ok. now how does it work. this is what i really want to know.

You are showing me examples of ortho vs ortho step arounds though if you try this as a southpaw/ ortho and your foot isn't on the outside you are going to trip. I think I'm not understanding you breh I showed you examples of it in practice...If im in the ortho stance and you are southpaw w foot position my right arm has to pass my lead lead for it to land making it more difficult. Meanwhile you just have to shoot it down the pipe.

 

[Yuzo]

You are showing me examples of ortho vs ortho step arounds though if you try this as a southpaw/ ortho and your foot isn't on the outside you are going to trip.

southpaw/orthodox can cross feet, but you can step around with your feet toe to toe, its not a mandatory step to have to preset your feet around his feet for your step around to work. when you step around your feet are going to move around his feet as you step around anyhow.

If im in the ortho stance and you are southpaw w foot position my right arm has to pass my lead lead for it to land making it more difficult. Meanwhile you just have to shoot it down the pipe.

thing is you can do the same thing with your foot wrong. so you see it this way a lot too.

here is floyd throwing his right hand right down center street.

so you see it both ways. but, to be true, it cant be both ways.

 

[krackdagawd]

southpaw/orthodox can cross feet, but you can step around with your feet toe to toe, its not a mandatory step to have to preset your feet around his feet for your step around to work. when you step around your feet are going to move around his feet as you step around anyhow.



thing is you can do the same thing with your foot wrong. so you see it this way a lot too.

here is floyd throwing his right hand right down center street.

so you see it both ways. but, to be true, it cant be both ways.

How much or a reach advantage does Floyd have over Pac? this is why i said it's too many variables bruh and Pac is jabbing in that pic. You give me two guys one ortho and one southpaw similar handspeed who do you pic to land their power hand first im picking the nikka w foot position every time.

 

[Yuzo]

You give me two guys one ortho and one southpaw similar handspeed who do you pic to land their power hand first im picking the nikka w foot position every time.

can you explain why. be specific.

 

[krackdagawd]

can you explain why. be specific.

Because his hand has a shorter distance to travel because the guy whose foot is on the inside has to cross his own lead leg(w his r hand) to land his punch. The guy with his leg on the outside doesn't have to cross anything he can shoot his punch straight down the middle.

Where would he have to throw the right hand to land it? ^^ that's an awkward punch to and Rigo has the benefit in this situation.

Look at the Floyd Manny gif you posted if Manny's body wasn't leaning to his left Floyd would not have been able to land it that way he would have to throw that punch across his lead leg that is an awkward punch to throw.



Again this isn't in absolutes there are too many variables for it to work every time so I'm speaking generally.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

A+ convo in here

@PJTech that move Fattin is doing in the Yuzo gifs is what I was telling you to watch Rios Bradley for.

 

[Yuzo]

Because his hand has a shorter distance to travel because the guy whose foot is on the inside has to cross his own lead leg(w his r hand) to land his punch. The guy with his leg on the outside doesn't have to cross anything he can shoot his punch straight down the middle.

still the problem with this is the guy with his foot wrong can also punch down the middle. it isnt true that he cant.

heres tracy patterson throwing a right hand down the middle at eddie hopson. hopson is circling to his right with a check hook over pattersons jab. according to your theory hopson is at an advantage and patterson cant be more wrong with where his foot is supposed to be here.

hopsons foot is way outside of pattersons foot and pattersons foot cant be any more wrong yet that right hand he threw cant be any more down the middle. the claim that you cant throw down the middle with your foot "wrong" just isnt true.

Where would he have to throw the right hand to land it? ^^ that's an awkward punch to and Rigo has the benefit in this situation.

the position rigondeaux gets in here wasnt because of his foot. it was because of his slipping motion. heres a different angle of the same punch where you can see the way his head slips over to the side.

where your foot is wouldnt allow your body to lean over to one side or the other. you would have to preform a slipping motion to do that, your foot isnt going to automatically do that for you. that is something either of them could do, despite the fact that riondeauxs foot was right, and marroquins foot was wrong.

to prove that, heres a screenshot of where they were before the exchange started.

each of them are in a position to throw down the middle from each of their foot positions. what carried rigondeaux over to the side was his slipping motion, which had nothing to do with where his foot was, and everything to do with performing a slipping motion the right way.

Look at the Floyd Manny gif you posted if Manny's body wasn't leaning to his left Floyd would not have been able to land it that way he would have to throw that punch across his lead leg that is an awkward punch to throw.

so is it because of foot position or is it because of how your upper body is leaning? if you are you saying for manny to be in good position, his foot has to be at a special location plus he also has to be leaning over to his right, then you have just invalidated your own theory. because you can lean over with or without the foot being at a special location by just performing the appropriate slipping motion. the theory is therefore either wrong, or it has to be updated somehow to include for this.

 

[Gizza]

Not gonna even say anything, gonna try to rewatch this. Didn't like how he let Molina "get off" forgot what round before turning to Abner.