The Contrarian/Anti-Woke left continue trend of Anti-Democrat/Black & Dirtbag Leftist grift

[SunZoo]

That portion of the left does mistakenly believe they can "work" with the new right, it is at best naive. I don't like most parts of intersectionality and Black twitter blue check crowd, but they are annoying and not a major threat. Whereas, the "new right" explicitly dislikes liberty as a concept, are pro nationalism, think the state should enforce traditionalist values, are anti-cosmopolitan, and believe neo-mercantilism should be the foundation for international trade. But I don't think this portion of the left is guided by racism, instead, they're guided by the belief that the white working class is needed to undermine the moderate DNC/GOP hegemony. I think this stance is misguided and not worth the potential downside risk of muddying the ideological waters.

Progressives confidence in the "wait till the boomers die, and then we running shyt" stance may be leading them to underestimate the threat of the "new right".

I don't even really acknowledge the "new right", they running the same old plays. Most people that actually have some kinda ideological/brand loyalty for right wing politics are probably too far gone. There are people in the middle, that aren't necessarily loyal to the party or ideas but they might lean more to the right be it because they aren't that keen on trans/LBGT issues ect. You don't gotta muddy up the waters to present something to those people that could make them lean the other way for things like M4A and UBI. You just make your case on your moral/ideological grounds and leave an opening for them. If they can meet you on that level you take yes for an answer.

 

[ogc163]

I don't even really acknowledge the "new right", they running the same old plays. Most people that actually have some kinda ideological/brand loyalty for right wing politics are probably too far gone. There are people in the middle, that aren't necessarily loyal to the party or ideas but they might lean more to the right be it because they aren't that keen on trans/LBGT issues ect. You don't gotta muddy up the waters to present something to those people that could make them lean the other way for things like M4A and UBI. You just make your case on your moral/ideological grounds and leave an opening for them. If they can meet you on that level you take yes for an answer.

But on certain issues, they really aren't, most importantly for this discussion they are not as pro free market/international trade as the old right. And that means they may push economic policies that are currently associated with the left while amplifying culture war issues. For example, the new right who are etched in nationalism could support UBI while simultaneously supporting suspending H-1B Visas, increasing trade tariffs, and decreasing US presence in international organizations. Thus, despite their dislike of the status quo, I don't think progressives would be ok with this line of policy, and yet this is what the new right is planning on pushing.

 

[SunZoo]

But on certain issues, they really aren't, most importantly for this discussion they are not as pro free market/international trade as the old right. And that means they may push economic policies that are currently associated with the left while amplifying culture war issues. For example, the new right who are etched in nationalism could support UBI while simultaneously supporting suspending H-1B Visas, increasing trade tariffs, and decreasing US presence in international organizations. Thus, despite their dislike of the status quo, I don't think progressives would be ok with this line of policy, and yet this is what the new right is planning on pushing.

People are calling Josh Hawley a republican socialist lol, of course they'll budge on economics, if we can get them to do that, I say take the W. The right is gonna push those culture war issues regardless. If the worry is that they're gonna take a lot of these bad ideas and make headway with them by co-opting leftist policy, dems might want to stop trying to stifle actual leftists.


Because that's exactly how it will play out, and it won't be led by a buffoon like Trump.

 

[Outlaw]

People are calling Josh Hawley a republican socialist lol, of course they'll budge on economics, if we can get them to do that, I say take the W. The right is gonna push those culture war issues regardless. If the worry is that they're gonna take a lot of these bad ideas and make headway with them by co-opting leftist policy, dems might want to stop trying to stifle actual leftists.


Because that's exactly how it will play out, and it won't be led by a buffoon like Trump.

Do you consider economic issues more important than Social issues? I’m not willing to compromise on social issues just to make a deal with the devil to increase corporate taxes

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

But on certain issues, they really aren't, most importantly for this discussion they are not as pro free market/international trade as the old right. And that means they may push economic policies that are currently associated with the left while amplifying culture war issues. For example, the new right who are etched in nationalism could support UBI while simultaneously supporting suspending H-1B Visas, increasing trade tariffs, and decreasing US presence in international organizations. Thus, despite their dislike of the status quo, I don't think progressives would be ok with this line of policy, and yet this is what the new right is planning on pushing.

Watch the jux here... they're gonna pivot to basically strasserite shyt.

the far left boosted this woman massively in 2016.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you consider economic issues more important than Social issues? I’m not willing to compromise on social issues just to make a deal with the devil to increase corporate taxes

fam, the white left is also playing this game where they're also against corporate or business "diversity" because CaPiTaLiSm iS bAd but then dont wanna address black economic specific concerns.

 

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[SunZoo]

Do you consider economic issues more important than Social issues? I’m not willing to compromise on social issues just to make a deal with the devil to increase corporate taxes

- I don't consider economic issues and social issues to really be separate. Artificial lines have been drawn on the fringes for political capital and people who see that are fukking fed up with it. Health care, housing, jobs guarantee with a living wage. What marginalized group isn't having a great deal of their struggle mitigated with those things in place?

- I'm willing to compromise on the issue of attaining economic equality, not my position on whatever other issues "the devil" disagrees on. Whatever those may be, we can and will fight tooth and nail on those issues after we do what would raise the floor for the marginalized groups people say they care so much about. Health care, housing, jobs guarantee with a living wage. What marginalized group isn't having a great deal of their struggle mitigated with those things in place?

And again, I'm not saying go out of your way to appeal to actual right wingers who have an affinity for the politics like that. Leave people like that Arthur the Aardvark (Saagar) looking motherfukker to their own devices. But if people like him, or those who are less loyal to right wing ideology will chime in to set a new ground floor (FOR THEMSELVES TOO) I see no reason to fold my arms and be like no thanks, mr. pro life.

 

[Outlaw]

- I don't consider economic issues and social issues to really be separate. Artificial lines have been drawn on the fringes for political capital and people who see that are fukking fed up with it. Health care, housing, jobs guarantee with a living wage. What marginalized group isn't having a great deal of their struggle mitigated with those things in place?

- I'm willing to compromise on the issue of attaining economic equality, not my position on whatever other issues "the devil" disagrees on. Whatever those may be, we can and will fight tooth and nail on those issues after we do what would raise the floor for the marginalized groups people say they care so much about. Health care, housing, jobs guarantee with a living wage. What marginalized group isn't having a great deal of their struggle mitigated with those things in place?

And again, I'm not saying go out of your way to appeal to actual right wingers who have an affinity for the politics like that. Leave people like that Arthur the Aardvark (Saagar) looking motherfukker to their own devices. But if people like him, or those who are less loyal to right wing ideology will chime in to set a new ground floor (FOR THEMSELVES TOO) I see no reason to fold my arms and be like no thanks, mr. pro life.

What domestic compromise do you think progressives and right wing populist can actually agree? How do you see the policy structured?

the only issue I can see agreed upon is foreign policy

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

People are calling Josh Hawley a republican socialist lol, of course they'll budge on economics, if we can get them to do that, I say take the W. The right is gonna push those culture war issues regardless. If the worry is that they're gonna take a lot of these bad ideas and make headway with them by co-opting leftist policy, dems might want to stop trying to stifle actual leftists.


Because that's exactly how it will play out, and it won't be led by a buffoon like Trump.

Nicca point me to one tangible piece of evidence that Josh fukking Hawley is some republican socialist. Don't link me a tweet of bullshyt corporations are bad rethoric. Give me something tangible he has actually done in pursuit of a republican socialist agenda. What a goofy fukking post.

 

[the next guy]

I see napoleon is back.

 

[Piff Perkins]

It's been obvious from the jump. These are predominantly white, largely wealthy (or well off) leftists and "Marxists" who despise race as a concept because it takes light away from the only thing they care about: class. These are the same fools who tried to argue George Floyd having multiple jobs was the real tragedy, not the fact that he was a black man executed by cops.

They're only going to get more desperate. They have no seat at the table. They made it clear they wanted Biden to lose...and now it looks like Biden may crush Trump and usher in massive democrat gains in congress. Meaning the left will have zero bargaining power. The last 4 years of their arguments about how it's impossible for a non-Bernie candidate to become president will go up in flames. I can't wait for Michael Moore and all these white pieces of shyt to take this L.