The Contrarian/Anti-Woke left continue trend of Anti-Democrat/Black & Dirtbag Leftist grift

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Imagine :cape: for Jimmy Dore and Krystal Ball. :wow:

You really love your anti-black class reductionist leftists, don't you? :mjpls:
There's nothing anti-Black about them. Glad you are drinkg the Nap Kool aid whole, I guess spamming on social media does work and I am indeed underestimating Russian social media propaganda. :mjlol:
 

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Pointless infighting among progressives is becoming exhausting and harmful

Pointless infighting among progressives is becoming exhausting and harmful
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  • A disagreement over Medicare For All has pit influential progressives against Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
  • It's the latest example of progressives engaging in dumb, line-drawing battles against each other.
  • Debate is healthy, but shunning people who want the same things is counter-productive.
  • This is an opinion column. The thoughts expressed are those of the author.
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When a wing of progressives called on Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to force a Medicare For All vote in the House, it drew a line in the sand for people on the left. #ForceTheVote was an effort that intended to ostracize Republicans and centrist Democrats who don't support an overhaul of our nation's healthcare system. AOC didn't think it was a good idea, noting that forcing a vote that doesn't have a chance in the House, let alone the Senate, could only cause friction among Democrats and harm their cause.

This disagreement created a loud faction of progressives who are now anti-AOC. They are seemingly led by comedian-turned-political talk show host Jimmy Dore, who in December said that AOC is now "standing between you and healthcare," and went on to call her a liar, gaslighter, and coward.

Unthinkably, given her standing as the highest profile progressive member of Congress, AOC saw her Twitter mentions flooded with hate-fueled banter and accusations of being a sellout and fraud.

She'll be fine, of course, as that's just part of her job. But the impulse from progressives to turn on their own — and for relatively dumb reasons — has become a baffling spectacle and a maddening trend that's stalled real change. Instead of infighting and bickering, progressives need to take a step back and understand what the best path to progress is.

You stab my back, and I'll stab yours
The 2020 Democratic primaries were heated. People who were passionate about a particular candidate would sometimes wade into insults and ridicule on social media. Just about every candidate had a small but loud faction of supporters who would do this, but for whatever reason, Bernie Sanders' online faction got the most media attention. While Sanders continued to offer an inclusive agenda and even denounced the more annoying parts of his base, scores of liberals and progressives became turned off by even the thought of Sanders. They held this grudge despite his long-standing record on vital issues and humble demeanor.

This became clear when Sanders, as head of the Senate Budget Committee, asked Neera Tanden, Biden's pick to lead the Office of Budget Management, to reflect on her own attacks on social media, including personal attacks she hurled at Bernie himself. Tanden apologized for her actions, but if you looked under any tweet about the exchange, you saw countless accusations of sexism on Bernie's part, attacks on his character, and a general sense of pure hatred for the man.

This grudge against Bernie Sanders held by so-called progressives remains weird and a little bit sad, especially considering how long it's been since the primaries. The disdain for the Vermont senator even affects the people he associates with. When MoveOn, a high-profile progressive advocacy organization, endorsed Nina Turner, a former Bernie Sanders surrogate, for Congress, it was met with a wave of displeasure.

The list of pointless grudges doesn't stop there. I'll be the first to admit that I was upset with Sen. Elizabeth Warren during the 2020 primaries.

I felt that she had undermined the progressive cause not just by promoting a misleading story that implied Sen. Bernie Sanders was sexist, but also by not corralling her supporters behind him when her campaign ran out of steam.

But now that a whole year has passed, it is easy to admit that Warren is a pivotal part of the progressive agenda and should be supported as such. Many progressives, though, simply can't get over that grudge. She's still a "snake" in too many people's eyes.

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These people are too petty to see that she's fighting for everything they want, including universal healthcare, a $15 minimum wage, and a cancellation of student loan debt. It will be harder for progressives to accomplish those things if people who advocate for them aren't supportive of the lawmakers who can make them happen. It's not just Warren who's been targeted by progressive grudges, either.

Like Sanders, Warren has fought for a slew of policies that progressives dream about, but for those who illogically consider them enemies of the progressive movement, that doesn't matter.

Read more: The 2 reasons Republicans can't move on from Donald Trump

Keep it simple
As someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter pointing out the hypocrisies of politicians, I am not saying you shouldn't be skeptical of them in general. Even trivial forms of ridicule aren't so bad in the larger discourse. But people should save their real disdain for an actual policy or platform they disagree with, instead of hating on someone who's on their side, and for some trivial thing that happened more than a year ago. Debate is fine and encouraged, but the shaming and booing of one's own team is counter-productive.

Figuring out who the best options for progress are shouldn't be nearly this complicated. Think of the things you support, and support the politicians who agree with you. Naturally, when different strategies towards progress are debated, things may get heated. You might grow weary of someone and have less tolerance for them. That's totally fine, and normal even. But progressives holding these year-long grudges against other progressives can only hurt the ultimate goal.

I wish Bernie Sanders was the Democratic nominee in 2020 and I wish Elizabeth Warren, after realizing her campaign was toast, had done more to solidify his chances. But both of these officials, along with newly chastised-from-the-left AOC, have a moral fortitude that's actually pretty rare in politics. They serve us, but we have a role to play in their success. We just have to be smart about it.
 

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There is a stunning lack of analytical sophistication among much of left Twitter, which causes their loudest voices to grossly overstate support for progressive/left policies. As someone who supports those policies it pains me to say this but it's true...

A THREAD

2/ These folks excitedly point to survey data showing broad support for M4A, for instance, or other left priorities & say "see, the people are with us!" and thus, the reason we don't get those things passed is "big Pharma money" or other corporate money buys off the lawmakers...

3/ This is incredibly simplistic on multiple levels. First, NO lawmakers would actually vote against what the people in THEIR district supported if they believed those people were actually going to vote, money be damned. They wouldn't commit political suicide for PAC money FFS...

4/ If they ARE voting counter to the wishes of most in their district its bc those people aren't voting. But what are they supposed to do? If the people who DO vote are NOT as prog/left then naturally they will vote the way actual voters lean, bc otherwise they lose office...

5/ So the only way to make that survey data relevant -- even assuming it's accurate at the congressional precinct level (which it might not be, seeing as it's aggregate national data typically) -- is to make sure those prog residents of x y or z district vote...

6/ But if the Rep has no rational reason to expect them to, bc they never or rarely do, it's absurd to expect them to go out on a limb in the hopes that will suddenly excite regular non-voters. They won't take the chance. Whether they should or not isn't the issue They won't...

7/ Second, just bc national data tells you x percent support some progressive idea, doesn't mean those numbers adhere at the local or state level in enough congressional districts or states (which elect Senators) to make it possible to gain support for those policies...

8/ For instance, Dem Senators represent millions more people than GOP ones, and bc of gerrymandering, house delegations tilt GOP too, even in states where the population is pretty evenly split (like NC as one example)...

9/ This means, you could have 70% supporting a really progressive policy, but given the structural skew to the GOP & states w/far fewer who lean that way, this won't translate into incentives for lawmakers to push those policies or even make it possible to vote for them...

10/ running up the score (when it comes to progressive policy support) in a handful of populated Blue states and Blue cities in Red States won't matter at the policymaking level because of the structural impediments to actual democracy built in to the system...

11/ None of which means we don't fight like hell for those ideas, but we need to stop being stupid and acting like it's just big money or lack of political will or "being bought off by the 1%" which is the issue here...

12/ To gain broad support and get those policies, we will have to either do massive outreach to those folks currently not in favor of those things and get enough of them to be, or change the structure (gerrymandering, electoral college, filibuster, etc). ..

13/ An additional layer of left naiveté is saying that we just need to appeal to people's class interests (for better health care, jobs, education etc) and push for broad universal programs, to build unity between white folks and Black and brown folks and win progressive policy..

14/ Today Matt Yglesias's intern wrote some shyt like this on Matt's substack, totally misunderstanding the work of @hmcghee to which the essay was somewhat responding. Look, Heather and everyone on the left believes in those types of programs (minimum wage hike, etc)...

15/ But what Heather points out brilliantly & what many of us have tried to point out for years, is that precisely bc of white racial resentment (stoked by politicians for generations), and the effect that has had on white political consciousness around policy to help folks...

16/ we basically "can't have nice things." Unless we confront that racial resentment and its deployment directly (not dance around it by just speaking in colorblind terms as a way to trick the white working class into solidarity), we will never win progressive policy...

17/ Why? Bc white folk associate those efforts with racial redistribution, whether you mention race or not. And history shows they'll sacrifice class interest for caste interest. They end up opposing universal programs BECAUSE they are universal, and they see POC as undeserving..

18/ They will literally be willing to die not to be associated with programs from which they view Black and brown folks as benefitting at all, even when they are universal (like ACA), as @JonathanMetzl showed in "Dying of Whiteness."...

19/ So this means the left can't just appeal to material self interest, bc caste benefits trump them (no pun intended). We also can't just rant about the elites, because white working class folks conceptualize the elite differently than most of us do...

20/ To those folks, the elites are cultural and political, not economic. It's. Hollywood, it's entertainers, it's professors and politicians (the "swamp"). Not rich folks. They don't mind rich folks (and many want to BE rich folks). But they hate the other "elites"...

21/ Because they "look down on" their traditions, their cultural affectations, etc. They buy the notion of individualism and meritocracy though, sadly, which means the rich (like Trump) are fine, so long as they don't seem pointy-headed and intellectual (like Bill Gates)..

22/ So if we want to build solidarity for progressive policy we can't just switch white working class anger to a different target by saying "The real enemy is Wall Street." 1), they SEE immigrants & are fed stereotypes of Black folks daily in news, etc. Wall Street is abstract..

23/ and then 2) fighting Wall Street seems much harder and less likely to succeed than just fighting to stay ABOVE someone else they're already above (black and brown). Whiteness, in that sense, is property for them (as Cheryl Harris notes)...

24/ And given a choice between fighting for some revolution or major reform of the class system that has always kicked my ass, or simply cashing in the chips I already have and trying not to LOSE ground, the latter is much more likely...

25/ It's not that we can't build solidarity. But we'll have to directly confront the racial resentment & the way politicians have utilized it. THIS might work w/white working folk bc it places blame on POLITICAL elites whom they hate, not class ones, whom they don't...

26/ By saying politicians are manipulating our fears and hostilities in order to keep working people divided, we are implicitly attacking class elites (after all, it's for their benefit the pols do this) but by focusing the ire on the POLS rather than those they govern for...

27/ ...we start where the populist rage is focused, which is on elected officials, and make them the first-order problem. Voters are more willing to see themselves as the victims of political swamp monsters lying to them, than they are to see POLS as the victims of big money...

28/ Seeing pols as victims at all is hard for working folks, for good reason. Better to make them the enemy, since so many people across the spectrum already feel they are. even that might not work to overcome the caste benefits of whiteness for many, but it might work for some..

29/ Ultimately, @hmcghee is right on the money when she points out the way race has blocked class solidarity and how we have to directly confront that reality--demonstrating why racial equity and justice are good for everyone. Not just why class solidarity is...

30/There will be no class solidarity without a direct discrediting of white racial resentment. It's a hard trick to pull off, but a necessary one. Trying to side step it is not only disrespectful to folks of color injured by white supremacy and those politics, it is going to fail

31/ Oh one more thing, going back to the stuff at the top of the thread..some say, naively, that "if we just get non votes to vote we could win bc they're mostly progressive." Bullshyt, they are not. The only data on non voters I've seen says they largely mirror voters...

32/ Which is to say, pretty evenly split. So they are not this "ready to mobilize" base of leftists just waiting for a good class analysis to come along...they are much like everyone else. Some turned off and on the left, others on the right...
 
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I keep telling yall... a lot of these types are pushing for more red-brown alliances by claiming any discussion of race pushes away their chasing of right wing populist voices to collaborate with.

they

hate

black

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Stop marketing race-blind policies as racial equity initiatives













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