The Chef Hires A Servant To Stop The Kang From Ringing: Cavs vs Warriors III

Who will be crowned NBA Champs and become one of the goat teams in history?

  • Cavs in 4

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Dubs in 4

    Votes: 89 12.1%
  • Cavs in 5

    Votes: 18 2.4%
  • Dubs in 5

    Votes: 177 24.0%
  • Cavs in 6

    Votes: 141 19.1%
  • Warriors in 6

    Votes: 147 19.9%
  • Cavs in 7

    Votes: 130 17.6%
  • Warriors in 7

    Votes: 27 3.7%

  • Total voters
    737

Professor Emeritus

Veteran
Poster of the Year
Supporter
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
51,330
Reputation
19,692
Daps
203,919
Reppin
the ether
G: Harper
G: Jordan
F: Pippen
F: Rodman
C: Longley

G: Curry
G: Thompson
F: Durant
F: Green
C: Pachulia

The Warriors have the firepower, but I think the Bulls could eke out a 7 game series because of their smothering defense. Durant would not score the same way with Pippen on him. He'd get his buckets because he's among the best scorers the league has ever seen, but he would have to work hard for those buckets. Jordan would frustrate Curry with his on ball defense. Curry can be forced into silly errors and mental lapses when you apply pressure on him and no team played the passing lanes better than the 90s Bulls. They would have so many points off of turnovers it's not funny. Ron Harper at 6'6 would have been long enough to guard Klay Thompson so you don't have to worry about a smaller guard like Kyrie on him. That leaves Rodman and Longley down low. They would absolutely feast on the boards and rack up a ton of offensive boards. On the opposite end of the court, who is going to stop Jordan? He is too explosive for Durant and too big for Curry. Your best bet would be Klay Thompson. They would either have to leave Klay one on one to guard MJ and let him try his best to stop him from averaging 40 pts in the series or double him up and leave shooters like Kerr and Kukoc open. There are some games of course where Golden State's shots will be falling for them and they are just throwing up shots and having them hit the bucket, but more often than not the Bulls would wear them down on the defensive end. Durant would average 30, but Curry's numbers would go down. You can rotate Pippen and Jordan on him, and he would find it difficult to get any easy buckets.

You seem to have forgotten that Iggy and Livingston exist. Just need to point that out.

Look at the starting lineups you listed. The ONLY guys that the Warriors actually have to worry about are Jordan and Pippen. And honestly, Pippen would NOT be a tough cover for Durant...so as long as the starting lineup is in, you're relying on Jordan for your scoring. Jordan would be guarded straight-up by Klay. Jordan didn't face a defender of Klay's size who was as good as Klay in his entire career, so you're already starting out good. And then you have the entire team focused on helping Klay, especially Draymond.

Remember, Gary Payton at 6'4" and 180lbs gave Jordan huge problems for three games, with no zone to back him up, and Payton's help was coming from guys like Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins. Klay is 6'7" 215lbs and getting help from Draymond Green and Kevin Durant, who get the added benefit of being able to cheat onto him with the zone.

It would be by far the most difficult playoff defense that Jordan had ever faced. And that's even before you stick Iggy on him whenever Klay wants a break.



On the other side, did you seriously have Jordan guarding Curry? So not only are you working Jordan harder than he's ever had to work on the offensive side, but you're forcing him to run like crazy all over the court guarding Curry too? How the hell would that have worked? When did Jordan EVER guard a player like Curry for the full game? But if you take Jordan off of Curry and put Harper on him, then Jordan has to run around screens guarding Klay AND Harper would get absolutely cooked by Curry...so they're screwed either way.

Durant meanwhile, nearly 7' tall, being guarded by 6'8" 210lb Scottie Pippen...you know he's getting his. Rodman will help, but a 7' shooter like Durant is the kind of player who is going to score just fine on Rodman too.


So let's go to the bench. Bring Kerr and Kukoc in, and now you actually have scoring instead of putting everything on MJ. But GS would go to death lineup in that situation and still have it covered - Curry is on Kerr, Klay and Iggy guarding Jordan and Pippen, Durant on Kukoc, and Draymond at the 5 pretty much free to zone help on anyone he wants.

On the other side, Curry is fukking destroying Kerr (unless they put Livingston in, and then he's destroying Kerr too), Jordan is now forced to chase Klay around all those screens as his "break" from chasing Curry, Kukoc can't guard Durant so Pippen probably has to stay on him as much as possible, and you probably have to keep Rodman in because the Bulls' centers can't guard Draymond.


In the 1996 Finals Jordan and Scottie played 41-42 minutes a game. They'd have to do the same or more here, only they'd be dead-ass tired from guarding Curry and Durant that whole time.

In the 1996 Finals, the Bulls averaged on 84 points/game the last three games....and they'd be facing a much better defense WITH the zone this time.

In the 1996 Finals, Jordan and Pippen combined to shoot 38-114 (33%) over the last three games...and the help defense would be MUCH better this time around plus they'd be far more exhausted from their defensive responsibilities.


In the end, the Bulls won the 1996 Finals because they had a fantastic defense and held Seattle to 89ppg, so scoring only 93ppg was enough to win.

But that was holding Payton-Hawkins-Schrempf-Kemp-Perkins to 89ppg.

No way in hell they're holding Curry-Klay-Iggy-Durant-Draymond below 100ppg. And they're not scoring as much either.


It's not close. The Bulls were an absolutely dominant team for 1996, in the expansion era when most teams were a star, a sidekick, a couple mediocre role players and then a bunch of trash. The Sonics made the Finals by having 2 stars instead of only 1.5 like most teams. But Golden State would have far too much firepower for them.
 

Professor Emeritus

Veteran
Poster of the Year
Supporter
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
51,330
Reputation
19,692
Daps
203,919
Reppin
the ether
Oh, claiming that Pippen would make Durant work really hard....here are some lines.

44 points on 19-29 shooting
27 points on 12-24 shooting
38 points on 16-32 shooting
24 points on 11-16 shooting
34 points on 15-36 shooting
30 points on 13-22 shooting

Those are some of the numbers that Larry Bird put up on Pippen between April 1988 to November 1991.

Numbers that OLD, INJURED Bird put up on Pippen when Pippen was 22 to 26 years old.

Durant is a taller, faster, more athletic version of Bird with a much better handle and at least as good, if not better, jumper.

I'm sorry, but he's scoring on Pippen's ass.
 

BigMoneyGrip

I'm Lamont's pops
Supporter
Joined
Nov 20, 2016
Messages
82,357
Reputation
11,675
Daps
324,724
Reppin
Straight from Flatbush
Oh, claiming that Pippen would make Durant work really hard....here are some lines.

44 points on 19-29 shooting
27 points on 12-24 shooting
38 points on 16-32 shooting
24 points on 11-16 shooting
34 points on 15-36 shooting
30 points on 13-22 shooting

Those are some of the numbers that Larry Bird put up on Pippen between April 1988 to November 1991.

Numbers that OLD, INJURED Bird put up on Pippen when Pippen was 22 to 26 years old.

Durant is a taller, faster, more athletic version of Bird with a much better handle and at least as good, if not better, jumper.

I'm sorry, but he's scoring on Pippen's ass.

Nah Durant is a taller version of George Gervin
 

MrWestGrand

The Negotiator
Joined
Sep 9, 2012
Messages
4,487
Reputation
1,118
Daps
13,391
Reppin
Bay Area
Word I posted some photos in the official photography thread I took earlier today at the parade, might as well repost them here. You can see more photos I took here


e36df4207b91ef4c22b6aa1b182852eb


Dub Nation Couple 2 by RecRollReel - Photo 216277221 / 500px

abac11efffed7e0f83df1b48e0da643e


The Sheriff by RecRollReel - Photo 216275041 / 500px


117a909d1cff83d66dd7a16750790ac7


From Servant to King by RecRollReel - Photo 216275069 / 500px

2b5b055ea2534bac1a659863a8fe1c11


Family of Warriors by RecRollReel - Photo 216275007 / 500px

8bf8a141169b900a796c08a2bc87288c


Dub Nation 2 by RecRollReel - Photo 216275131 / 500px
The color correction on the 2nd pic..:ohlawd:


You nailed that nostalgic look breh.
 

ISO

Pass me the rock nikka
Joined
Mar 12, 2013
Messages
61,451
Reputation
8,396
Daps
195,707
Reppin
BX, NYC
G: Harper
G: Jordan
F: Pippen
F: Rodman
C: Longley

G: Curry
G: Thompson
F: Durant
F: Green
C: Pachulia

The Warriors have the firepower, but I think the Bulls could eke out a 7 game series because of their smothering defense. Durant would not score the same way with Pippen on him. He'd get his buckets because he's among the best scorers the league has ever seen, but he would have to work hard for those buckets. Jordan would frustrate Curry with his on ball defense. Curry can be forced into silly errors and mental lapses when you apply pressure on him and no team played the passing lanes better than the 90s Bulls. They would have so many points off of turnovers it's not funny. Ron Harper at 6'6 would have been long enough to guard Klay Thompson so you don't have to worry about a smaller guard like Kyrie on him. That leaves Rodman and Longley down low. They would absolutely feast on the boards and rack up a ton of offensive boards. On the opposite end of the court, who is going to stop Jordan? He is too explosive for Durant and too big for Curry. Your best bet would be Klay Thompson. They would either have to leave Klay one on one to guard MJ and let him try his best to stop him from averaging 40 pts in the series or double him up and leave shooters like Kerr and Kukoc open. There are some games of course where Golden State's shots will be falling for them and they are just throwing up shots and having them hit the bucket, but more often than not the Bulls would wear them down on the defensive end. Durant would average 30, but Curry's numbers would go down. You can rotate Pippen and Jordan on him, and he would find it difficult to get any easy buckets.
'96 Michael Jordan would not be able to stop Steph Curry. Go watch footage of him defending Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Allen Iverson, Penny Hardaway, and Damon Stoudamire. MJ probably wouldn't even defend him for large portions of the game as that was the point of acquiring Ron Harper. Also, don't compare 90's ball to current ball this isn't the 90's, Steph isn't going to go 1-on-1 all day, Steph feasts off transition threes, off-ball cuts/screens, and high screen and rolls on top of being a deadly iso player, it's constant motion. It's like Mike defending Reggie Miller with A.I.'s handle in 90's terms. The Dubs will try to get Luc Longley isolated with Steph from 30-feet out as they do to slow footed centers in today's game.

The Dubs will put Klay, Iguodala, Livingston, Durant, Draymond on Jordan, he's going to see all of those guys on the wing and he's also going to experience zone defense something he never experienced in his NBA playing career. Jordan never had guys of that caliber defending him in any of the NBA Finals, the Sonics did put Payton on him, but here we're talking about multiple bodies who can match Jordan in length and superior athletes. Also, for your talk about Rodman and Longley destroying them on the boards, we thought Tristan Thompson would destroy them on the boards and he didn't. The Dubs were the third best team at defensive rebounding during the regular season.
 
Last edited:
Top