“The blues are the roots, everything else is the fruits” -- Willie Dixon

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Some on the Blues influencing other music







I found some good small quotes, but do you have any good sources on the first rock artists being black?

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"Along comes Wynonie Harris. He covered Browns record, also in 1947, but it was to become, based on what followed it, one of the most important recordings in music history. He caught Brown's joke, about these church people "rocking," but to add to the parody he changed the rhythm to an uptempo gospel beat, thereby fusing gospel and blues in a spectacular manner. The difference between Wynonie Harris' version and Brown's is the gospel rhythm of rocking on the 2nd and 4th beat of the 4/4 measure, as you hear in Wynonie's rocking hand-clapping, like there had been in uptempo gospel music for decades, as seen above.

When Wynonie Harris' version of Good Rocking Tonight was cut in December of 1947 and hit the charts in 1948, it started a revolution. Although Harris wasn't the first to sing blues with a gospel beat, as others like Big Joe Turner had been doing this for years, it was Harris' record that started the "rocking" fad in blues and R&B in the late 40's. After Harris' record, there was a massive wave of rocking blues tunes, and every black singer had a rocking blues record out by 1949** or 1950. It was a sweeping fad that changed R&B forever. "Rocking" was in, boogie woogie was out, and most R&B artists were trying like mad to out-rock each other. This new music had an extremely powerful beat.

Now that the music had arrived, all it needed was a name. R&B (coined in 1949) was too broad a term, because R&B was a category which included all forms of black music except for jazz and gospel. Anything else was considered R&B, regardless of the actual musical style. It could be a ballad, old-style jump blues, crooners like the Ink Spots, blues shouters, or anything else, it would be classified as R&B. But this rocking music was new and revolutionary, and therefore it needed a new name, so the disc jockeys, led by a Cleveland DJ named Alan Freed, started calling it rock and roll. This was in 1951, and many DJ's followed suit, such as Waxie Maxie in DC, Hunter Hancock in LA, and Porky Chedwick in Pittsburgh. By 1953 the new term was becoming widely used, and also was being used to market the music to a wider audience beyond the R&B market. Many white people who remember the early 50's think that 1954 was the year that rock and roll started. But no, that's just the year they first became aware of it, in crossover tunes like "Sh-Boom" by the Chord Cats, "Shake, Rattle, and Roll" by Big Joe Turner, "Earth Angel" by the Penguins, "Gee" by the Crows, (recorded in 1953), "Rock Around The Clockt" by Bill Haley and the Comets, and some of the first Doo Wop tunes to cross over from R & B. It's also the year Elvis first recorded rock and roll, although these Sun records only gave him local fame, and he didn't actually get famous until RCA picked him up in 1955. Black people who remember the early 50's tell a different story.

In 1952 and '53, rock and roll was becoming more characterized by mellow love ballads by teen-aged vocal groups with bird names like The Crows, Ravens, Orioles, Cardinals, etc. Usually the flip sides of these records were the uptempo dance numbers, which were called the rockers. In various parts of the USA, people were adding their local flavors to it. In the northern cities, the Italian and Puerto Rican communities were playing rock and roll their way. On the West Coast, Chicanos were playing it in Spanish. In the south, country singers were adding rock and roll to their hillbilly boogie, and rockabilly was born. Cajuns in Louisiana were adding rock and roll to their music, and zydeco was born. Overseas, the British were adding rock and roll to their music, and skiffle was born. All this happened in the early 50's, and it all became lumped together into the great melting pot called rock and roll. The first time rock and roll appeared on national television was on May 2, 1954, when the Treniers appeared on the Colgate Comedy Hour when Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin were hosting. This is long before Elvis was on television.

With the music in place, on radio and television, and with the name rock and roll now official, the story has been told. Forget all the myths you hear about 1954, Sun Records, Elvis, Sam Phillips, etc. That's the story of rockabilly, but rock and roll itself was already here, named, recorded, and given airplay, long before then. Many people have continued to spread the myth, that rock and roll was originally a mix of blues and country music, so often and for so long that it's almost considered a fact by some people. The truth is, rock and roll is older than rockabilly, which was a blending of rock and roll with country music. The myth that rock and roll music began at Sun Records in 1954 was believed by the majority of people outside of the black neighborhoods, which means people from remote areas and suburbs, wealthy sections of cities, white regions, etc., who first heard of this music then, and so that's the most common story you hear. Basically, the majority of Americans at the time were completely naive to black culture, and never heard of rock and roll until after the Elvis explosion brought black music into their world. But the truth is, rock and roll was originally just another name for rhythm and blues, which started in the late 40's. With the sudden emergence in 1954 of the world-wide audience that rock and roll received, the impression has been held in the minds of most people that rock and roll actually began that year. Most people as a whole never have known about the original rockers of the Hoy Hoy era, 1947-1953. That's why we are here. A brief listen to the selections on this web site will tell the whole story.

When you read most books on the origin of rock and roll, they describe an explosion that hit around 1954 or '55. All of a sudden, Elvis, Bill Haley, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and others were playing perfectly developed rock and roll, as if it came out of nowhere. Some portray it as a magical moment in a recording studio, with musicians goofing around during a break and playing some unrehearsed jam, and somehow accidentally inventing a whole new type of music. Ridiculous. The more sober authors say, though also in error, that it was a mixture of country music and R&B (an accurate description of rockabilly, which was not the original form of rock and roll). When these books describe the "roots" of rock and roll, they usually start with the blues of the 1930's or earlier, artists like Robert Johnson and Charley Patton, and make references to Chicago blues artists like Howling Wolf and Muddy Waters, and then jump right up to 1954, completely skipping over the hard rocking sax-based R&B of the period 1948 to 1953. There are several reasons for this:


1. On the radio in the late 40's, R&B was taboo, although there were some pioneering DJ's who broke the rules and played it anyway. The first R&B to be heard on the radio in NYC, for example, was in the later part of 1952, and even then it was only heard after midnight. Some large cities had R&B programs before this, but in general, there was almost no R&B on the radio in the early days. Without radio, the only place that R&B was widely known was in black neighborhoods before 1952, but by then, the music had changed around and R&B was mostly changing over to the doo wop vocal groups, popular among teenagers, which means the earlier-style R&B never became widely known.

2. By the time R&B was becoming heard on radio stations, the 78 RPM format had just recently been replaced by the new 45 RPM records. Radio stations had just bought all new records and dumped out the old ones, since the 78's were heavy and cumbersome, and broke easily. By 1951 and 1952, the only demo records being shipped to radio DJ's were the new 45's. Unfortunately, all the early R&B had been recorded on the old 78's, so when R&B started being played on the radio, these 78's were already in the dumpster. Later on, when "golden oldies" were being played, that meant old 45's, since the 78's had long since been discarded. So, these Hoy Hoy era 78's were never played much on the radio.

In addition, there is the story of the juke box. In 1950 and 1951, most of the juke boxes in wealthier neighborhoods were being upgraded to play the 45's, while most R&B records were still being issued mainly on 78. The 45 RPM format was introduced in 1949 on RCA Victor, and other labels converted in the early 50's, but many labels continued to produce 78's as late as 1959, especially for the R&B market. This is because most black people did not have the disposable income to go out and buy new record players that played 45's, and juke box operators typically didn't convert the juke boxes in black neighborhoods right away either. (This story is also true for hillbilly or "country" music, since country music fans were also typically poor). Thus, Hoy Hoy era R&B was caught in the trap of being among the last records issues on a doomed format, and most of this music was lost to the newer world of the 45 RPM listener.

3. When rock and roll became fully entrenched after rockabilly arrived, and even more so with the British invasion of the early 60's, it became a guitar-based music, and these guitarists naturally looked towards other guitarists as the pioneers of the music. Thus, Eric Clapton would listen to B. B. King records, Keith Richards would listen to Muddy Waters, etc. and espouse these artists as their inspiration. Record companies then became interested in reissuing the older stuff, so long as it had a guitarist in the lead. But rock and roll before 1954 was saxophone-based, with very little guitar at all. Since the sax was virtually dropped from rock and roll after about 1956, most of the early stars remained forgotten. This is also true about the piano, which was probably the instrument that rock and roll was first played on.

4. In the mid-50's, when rock and roll was popular, each major record company had a few megastars they were trying to sell. RCA had Elvis, Decca had Bill Haley and Buddy Holly, Capitol had Gene Vincent, etc. It was not in the best interest of these big record companies to re-issue the recordings they already had of the earlier rock artists, since that would take away from the momentum of their "product," which was their new artists. Thus, for example, even though RCA Victor was sitting on a gold mine of early rocking R&B recordings by artists including Piano Red, Big Boy Crudup, Mr. Sad Head, the Du Droppers, Big Maceo, etc., their attention was directed towards promoting Elvis.

It was also obviously not in their best interests to mention or promote the music of the earlier artists on the small independent labels, which did not have the resources to compete with the major labels. Thus, the R&B artists of the late 40's and early 50's faded into oblivion. The mid-50's white teenagers thought of these artists as being old-fashioned blues singers whose records weren't worth listening to. The only popular R&B artist from the late 40's who also made it big in mainstream rock and roll in the mid-50's was Fats Domino, who had smash hits going way back, the first of which was recorded in 1949 [Little Richard had records as early as 1951 but they weren't big sellers and he wasn't famous until Tutti Frutti in 1956. Chuck Berry was a popular local performer in East St. Louis during the Hoy Hoy era, but he never recorded before 1955 when he became famous with Maybelline. Ike Turner was also a successful R&B artist during the Hoy Hoy era, with hit records going back to 1951, but his mid-50's records were always promoted to the R&B (black) audience, so he is not usually mentioned in rock and roll (white) books, an unfortunate error on their parts].

5. By 1954 or 1955, the name "rock and roll" had become the common name of the music, which was now being marketed to white teenagers, who identified themselves with that new moniker. There was little incentive for these young fans to listen to earlier music with some other name. The common name for the earlier music was R&B, and the racial connotation of that name kept most rock and roll fans from exploring the earlier records, though it was the same type of music. Besides, these records had been geared towards adults, with adult lyrics, and the kids just weren't ready for them. The exceptions to this rule were the few black artists who somehow had their records promoted as rock and roll records, rather than R&B records. These artists were Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Fats Domino, and the vocal groups. The black artists whose records were promoted as R&B did not sell much to white teenagers. For example,
Ike Turner
had been selling rock and roll records since 1951, but his name is never even mentioned in "roots of rock" books, simply because his music had been promoted as R&B. The music itself, however, was the same. Ike Turner has his
own website."

Morgan Wright's HoyHoy.com: The Dawn of Rock 'n Roll
 

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Gospel is also more rhythmic and diverse in vocal harmony. They both use melismatic colorings though




Talking about Adele in another thread and her Blues rooted style reminded me of



Classic female blues

Classic female blues was an early form of blues music, popular in the 1920s. An amalgam of traditional folk blues and urban theater music, the style is also known as vaudeville blues. Classic blues were performed by female vocalists accompanied by pianists or small jazz ensembles, and were the first blues to be recorded. Ma Rainey, Bessie Smith, Ethel Waters, and the other singers of this genre were instrumental in spreading the popularity of the blues.

The classic female blues singers were pioneers in the record industry, among the first black singers and blues artists recorded. They were also instrumental in popularizing the 12-bar blues throughout the US. Mahalia Jackson and Janis Joplin are among those who name Bessie Smith as an influence. According to LeRoi Jones, phonograph recordings of the classic blues singers "affected the existing folk tradition and created another kind of tradition that was unlike any other in the past".[17]

Daphne Duval Harrison says that the blues women's contributions included "increased improvisation on melodic lines, unusual phrasing which altered the emphasis and impact of the lyrics, and vocal dramatics using shouts, groans, moans, and wails. The blues women thus effected changes in other types of popular singing that had spin-offs in jazz, Broadway musicals, torch songs of the 1930s and 1940s, gospel, rhythm and blues, and eventually rock and roll."[17]

Classic female blues - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Blues singer Bessie Smith was the highest-paid black entertainer in America during the 1920s. She had a slew of hit records and toured so much that she had her own railroad car. When Smith died in 1937 as a result of an automobile accident on Highway 61, she was barely scraping by. Fans, friends, and family raised money to put up a stone more than once, but her husband pocketed the money every time. Her grave went unmarked until 1970, when singer Janis Joplin (with an old friend of Smith) bought her a tombstone. The inscription reads, “The Greatest Blues Singer in the World Will Never Stop Singing.”

Joplin is just one of numerous performers who felt they owed a debt to Smith. The two most important American singers of the 20th century; Frank Sinatra and Billie Holiday, both proclaimed Smith as a pivotal influence. Yet Smith has largely been forgotten by the general public. Much of this has to do with the primitive recording techniques of Smith’s time


The songs Smith left behind will continue to be played and influence new generations of singers, not because of her technical virtuosity as much as the raw emotionality with which she imbued her material. Not only would we not have had Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, and Janis Joplin without Smith, we wouldn’t have singers like Amy Winehouse and Adele. It’s impossible to overstate Smith’s influence. “The Greatest Blues Singer in the World Will Never Stop Singing.” indeed.

Bessie Smith: The Complete Columbia Recordings








 

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Sophisticated blues = jazz but there is also Bluesy Jazz and Jazzy Blues. From another thread regarding Adele


I love Adele, especially that first album...I think it's an error to put her in the R&B catagory though, her shyt almost sounds like folk music at times even though it's "blue eyed soul".

I love Jill too, while i'm sure she'd still be overlooked she would probably be more popular if she did the kind of music Adele does, they don't really have the same lane so it's hard to compare them.


I'd be like bytch you ain't going nowhere.:mjcry:
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My favorite joints from her first album...doesn't really sound like R&B to me but a lot of people put her in that box and compare her to other singers in that genre, that's kind of unfair to them...she's clearly pop/folk.




Those last 2 songs are clearly R&B with Jazz/ Blues tinges the first ones sounds Folky-Lullabyish. Adele has a big Blues influence in her sound which can clearly be heard in her biggest songs like Rumor Has it and Rolling In the Deep which also contained a Blues-Gospel Stomp tinge. Jill Scott has a more sophisticated Jazz approach (Sara Vaughn'ish) which makes her more similar to Amy Winehouse.

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Torch song

A torch song is a sentimental love song, typically one in which the singer laments an unrequited or lost love, either where one party is oblivious to the existence of the other, where one party has moved on, or where a romantic affair has affected the relationship.[1][2] The term comes from the saying, "to carry a torch for someone", or to keep aflame the light of an unrequited love. Tommy Lyman started the use in his praise of My Melancholy Baby.[3]

Torch singing is more of a niche than a genre, and can stray from the traditional jazz-influenced style of singing, although the American tradition of the torch song typically relies upon the melodic structure of the blues.[2] Some examples of torch songs are "Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man" (1927), "Lili Marlene" (1938), "One for My Baby" (1943), "Cry Me a River" (1953), "The Man That Got Away" (1954),[4] "Ne me quitte pas" and "Here's That Rainy Day" (1959), "By the Time I Get to Phoenix" (1965), "One Less Bell to Answer" (1970), "Losing My Mind" (1971), "And I Am Telling You" (1982), "I Will Always Love You" (1974) and "You're Beautiful" (2004).


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Adele "Rumor Has It" is an R&B/Soul influenced Blues shuffle with even a slight touch of Gospel (hand claps). Hear those repeating blues riffs on the guitar?




this Outkast song is basically using the same Blue shuffles and repeated riffs but w/o the Gospel influences



"Rolling in the Deep" is pretty much the same formula



.......but the Gospel influence is stronger
 

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Another breakdown on how one can be "Bluesy" w/o adhering to the 12 bar blues form. Jazz musicians do this a lot..

Debunking The Blues Scale

"As to the influence of vocal blues upon jazz, once again the blues was of profound importance. The idea that every jazz musician should be able to play or sing the blues seems to be so widely accepted as to be part of the public domain. However, in the case of jazz, other influences were at play. The use by jazz musicians of popular standard songs of the period 1910-1960, all of which were harmonically centred around the classical major-7 (or Ionian) mode and its related scales, and many of which were written for stage and the movies by composers who were not from a jazz background, meant that jazz vocalists and instrumentalists alike had to deal with modalities and harmonies which were not of themselves related to the blues. However jazz musicians, as with those who stuck firmly to the performance of rock or blues music, used pitch sliding or bending rather than trying to accurately centre each note. This is especially evident in the work of jazz vocalists such as Louis Armstrong, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald and Sarah Vaughan, and has been carried on to be an integral part of the sound of every style of jazz music to the present day.



The upshot of this bluesy approach to pitch not only by jazz vocalists but also instrumentalists is that a blues-like sound can be perceived even in the performance of a ballad written from a major-7 standpoint. Hence, renowned jazz vocalists such as Ella Fitzgerald will invariably sound bluesy, even when singing a relatively undecorated version of a major key ballad without any use of techniques such as scatting. It is interesting to reflect that she recorded comparatively little strictly twelve-bar blues material in her long and prolific career. However, along with every other jazz singer, she used blues-based pitch sliding or bending as a standard jazz device, for that indeed is its function, especially in vocal jazz, and this practice may be traced directly back to the blues. Her 1958 recordings with Louis Armstrong of the music from George Gershwin’s Porgy and Bess (re-issued by Verve on CD, 1986) stand out in this regard. Therefore the blues sound in jazz has more to do with the treatment of pitch than the use of any one particular scale"


Debunking the Blues Scale
 

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Delta Blues has had more impact on rock music but the type of Blues with the most impact on Appalachian Country music (you can hear the delta style on Country music from like Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana etc..) from a guitar standpoint is Piedmont Blues because of it's geographic origins.

 

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Blues and Soul music vocal connection



The precursor to "Blue Eyed Soul" was known as "c00n Shouting" which is based in the BLues just like Soul/R&B

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