“The Black Dollar”

[Poitier]

Article was good and SHE

Good catch.

A I've seen both sides of the "black economic/empowerment" argument for years so what she's saying isn't anything new.

The thing is you have to keep repeating this again and again because a large segment of us refuse consider being said.

 

[J-Nice]

Good catch.



The thing is you have to keep repeating this again and again because a large segment of us refuse consider being said.

You have to consider that these discussions are largely had by activists and professors in academic settings and not by the average person. Also much of it requires alot of reading and research that isn't done by the working poor for the most part (Even though they are the focus alot of the time). Alot of grassroots orgs are very underfunded and lack resources which is why these discussions aren't mainstream enough.

 

[Um. Ghouls]

I can only read what was posted, I see the inferences I think he is making but largely I see his whole premise resting on logical flaws and ignorance of economics.

That said again like I told the other poster, taking what he actually posted he uses circular reasoning that leads nowhere based on what I've posted.

If money and wealth is worthless why even waste time on land resource aquirement, its a waste of time.
As for stopping white supremacy, ther is nothing a population that is 13% of the total population, can do to stop the dominant population from terrorizing them, other than appeal to their interests so that they change on their own.

So if you want to talk about the article lets talk, but don't try to down talk me and insult me, because I will defend myself.

The entire article is her breaking down myths, and educating us on the fallacy of capitalism as a way to independence. If thats the focus, then she clearly wants a new paradigm, right? perhaps this article on its own is not enough to reach the conclusion, but all signs point to there being no way to dismantle the establishment(unless we had the help of the white working class, but they're a bunch of racists), so to succeed we must sidestep the system...Some examples in videogames come to mind, but I doubt any1 would get them.

Tl;dr the author is presenting current empowerment methods as pointless in order to drill into the readers head to figure something else out. Further research can lead to solutions, I can dm you some shyt if you want

 

[David_TheMan]

The entire article is her breaking down myths, and educating us on the fallacy of capitalism as a way to independence. If thats the focus, then she clearly wants a new paradigm, right? perhaps this article on its own is not enough to reach the conclusion, but all signs point to there being no way to dismantle the establishment(unless we had the help of the white working class, but they're a bunch of racists), so to succeed we must sidestep the system...Some examples in videogames come to mind, but I doubt any1 would get them.

Tl;dr the author is presenting current empowerment methods as pointless in order to drill into the readers head to figure something else out. Further research can lead to solutions, I can dm you some shyt if you want

Some myths were broken down with citation.
Her underlying premise about capitalism was never supported in anyway shape or form.

She wants a new paradigm but she can't even clearly express where it will start because it fundamentally what avenues she tries to address were already discredited by her initial contentions.

Which is what I addressed initially.

I have some solutions of my own but ideologically and economically it would be opposite of this woman and those who are anti-capitalist bent, that said if you have some potential solutions feel free to post it, you can dm if you would like as well.

 

[Um. Ghouls]

Some myths were broken down with citation.
Her underlying premise about capitalism was never supported in anyway shape or form.

She wants a new paradigm but she can't even clearly express where it will start because it fundamentally what avenues she tries to address were already discredited by her initial contentions.

Which is what I addressed initially.

I have some solutions of my own but ideologically and economically it would be opposite of this woman and those who are anti-capitalist bent, that said if you have some potential solutions feel free to post it, you can dm if you would like as well.

A conversation is welcome, I'd like to hear your ideas

 

[David_TheMan]

A conversation is welcome, I'd like to hear your ideas

on my side, it has to be economic seperation of black americans in term of storage of capital. Ie black american in mass earning money in dollars but turning those dollars into silver/gold holdings to hold or store wealth.

Storing that wealth in true black owned and independent of the fed banks though puts a target on black america that is the major issue I could see, but if blacks could do that, I do think we would be able to seperate ourselves from having to be integrated in the system to survive and it can change to participating in the system if we want to.

I won't argue for independent economic areas or self ruled land masses like reservations or anything, I think looking at native americans that is a losing proposition and turnned into nothing but ghettos.

The biggest thing to me is the mindset of my fellow black americans in opting to walk away from the system, we have so many blacks that have truly internalized white superiority, internalized worship of the state or belief that it is legitimate and can be used in their benefit that they support the very structure that attacks and hurts us.

TLDR

1) financial independence for black americans in the form of banking outside of the fed reserve system
2) voluntary black removal for white government state and its apparatus into more independent private systems favorable to black americans

 

[Poitier]

 

[Blackout]

Before I take time out of my day to read this article.

Does it mention any solutions that can actually be done by the black populace using our resources so we can take actual baby steps and then adult steps to get forward eventually?

 

[David_TheMan]

Before I take time out of my day to read this article.

Does it mention any solutions that can actually be done by the black populace using actual baby steps to adult steps eventually?

No concrete solutions, author says they are looking at owning land resources as a potential solution.

 

[Poitier]

A conversation is welcome, I'd like to hear your ideas

buy gold and separate bro

 

[MajorVitaman]

You have to consider that these discussions are largely had by activists and professors in academic settings and not by the average person. Also much of it requires alot of reading and research that isn't done by the working poor for the most part (Even though they are the focus alot of the time). Alot of grassroots orgs are very underfunded and lack resources which is why these discussions aren't mainstream enough.

I think this is a big issue in some of these spaces. A lot of times these groups that claim to be "socialist" then end up being just as elitist as the capitalist groups they claim to be against.

 

[Red Shield]

shyt's fukked brehs

 

[Apollo Creed]

on my side, it has to be economic seperation of black americans in term of storage of capital. Ie black american in mass earning money in dollars but turning those dollars into silver/gold holdings to hold or store wealth.

Storing that wealth in true black owned and independent of the fed banks though puts a target on black america that is the major issue I could see, but if blacks could do that, I do think we would be able to seperate ourselves from having to be integrated in the system to survive and it can change to participating in the system if we want to.

I won't argue for independent economic areas or self ruled land masses like reservations or anything, I think looking at native americans that is a losing proposition and turnned into nothing but ghettos.

The biggest thing to me is the mindset of my fellow black americans in opting to walk away from the system, we have so many blacks that have truly internalized white superiority, internalized worship of the state or belief that it is legitimate and can be used in their benefit that they support the very structure that attacks and hurts us.

TLDR

1) financial independence for black americans in the form of banking outside of the fed reserve system
2) voluntary black removal for white government state and its apparatus into more independent private systems favorable to black americans

Black People get their money from Non Blacks, so what happens when Non Blacks get wind of this and decide the services of Blacks are no longer needed thus Blacks will not have any money or capital to "separate".

 

[Yehuda]

Myth: Black people don’t support Black businesses.

Fact: We are some of the most entrepreneurial and we support our own more than any other group when it comes to monetary patronage and cooperative economics.(source)

most Black households spend most of their money on rent & groceries. Not frivolous items as many would like to suggest. Also, our spending habits are the same as most other Americans. However, overall, poor Black people/poor people are actually the most conservative with their money due to OBVIOUS reasons.

"nikkas don't support each other and spend all their money on Jordans"

 

[David_TheMan]

Black People get their money from Non Blacks, so what happens when Non Blacks get wind of this and decide the services of Blacks are no longer needed thus Blacks will not have any money or capital to "separate".

Doesn't matter if black people get their money for non blacks, blacks give a lot of money to non blacks as well who primarily don't reinvest to blacks. The point isn't being black only, its taking black money out the system. Whatever means you have to get money, I'm assuming you do so because you have a competitive advantage over the competitor, regardless of race.