I am 100% sure this movie will be a flop.
They should've skipped the theaters and sold this to a streaming service.
They should've skipped the theaters and sold this to a streaming service.
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I've seen commercials for this over the past few days and I just shake my head.
The target audience (women) won't care, and the audience that would actually support this (men) won't because they see how shallow it truly is.
The target audience (women) won't care, and the audience that would actually support this (men) won't because they see how shallow it truly is.
They're truly a few years late for the "girl power" wave and it would've flopped then because damn near every other film from that period didAnother feminist masterpiece
NobodyReally
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It's so interesting how people continuously underestimate the buying power of women and their thirst for representation in action films. I remember when the Coli was saying Wonder Woman and Ocean Eight would flop and both made records at the box office. There's so many missed opportunities when it comes to merchandising and film development because people don't understand women. It's funny too because men could be getting paid if they understood this.
All women have to do to circumvent this line of thinking is...well...go out and support. But they don't.
And let's be completely honest: Wonder Woman had no chance of flopping during the comic book movie craze.
These films never interested me outside of Charlie's Angels because they were iconic.
I'm not against female lead action films but the gimmick shouldn't be "they're women".
Jessica Chastain tends to pick roles that align with her feminist ideology. This will more than likely bomb.
Rarely if ever do they support. Same with women sports.
I'm not against female lead action films but the gimmick shouldn't be "they're women".
Jessica Chastain tends to pick roles that align with her feminist ideology. This will more than likely bomb.
All women have to do to circumvent this line of thinking is...well...go out and support. But they don't.
And let's be completely honest: Wonder Woman had no chance of flopping during the comic book movie craze.
Rarely if ever do they support. Same with women sports.
NobodyReally
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All women have to do to circumvent this line of thinking is...well...go out and support. But they don't.
And let's be completely honest: Wonder Woman had no chance of flopping during the comic book movie craze.
Now you're making up stuff.
'Ocean's 8' Proves For The 999th Time That Women Aren't Box Office Poison
Scott Mendelson
Forbes Staff
- Sandra Bullock wide-release opener (around 3.5x its debut), we're looking at a $145 million domestic cume. So, yes, the heist movie has proven, once again, that movies for, by and starring women are not box office poison. You'd think we'd be well past having this conversation, but we're not. Even in the 11 years after Warner Bros. president Jeff Robinov was accused of declaring that he didn’t want to make any more female-fronted movies following the failures of Hilary Swank's The Reaping, Nicole Kidman’s The Invasion and Jodie Foster’s The Brave One (a charge he denied, although the ensuing controversy brought this disparity back to the forefront as a topic of cultural discussion), we're still having this conversation despite counterexample after counterexample.
I'm not going to spend the next several paragraphs reading off examples of movies about women that were massive box office hits (go here for that), but I will note a few things.
The biggest domestic grosser of all time (Star Wars: The Force Awakens) is a female-led sci-fi action movie. Among the only live-action video game movies ever to get sequels and become franchises are Resident Evil, Tomb Raider and Silent Hill. The only DC Films release that was a critical and commercial success was Wonder Woman. The only truly successful comedies last year during a relative slump were Girls Trip, Pitch Perfect 3 and A Bad Moms Christmas. Solo: A Star Wars Story is going to gross less worldwide than any of the Fifty Shades of Grey movies. The biggest-grossing animated movie is Frozen ($1.276 billion worldwide).
The biggest live-action musical of all time is (depending on your definition of live-action) either Beauty and the Beast ($1.263 billion) or Mamma Mia! ($609 million). Summit and Lionsgate's 2D and mostly IMAX-free Twilight franchise grossed $3.3b worldwide, or about equal to the first five ($3.7b) DC Films flicks. Lionsgate's The Hunger Games series earned $2.9b worldwide over four films on a combined budget of $493m. That's not even counting Hidden Figures, The Blind Side, Brave, Inside Out, Alice in Wonderland, Bridesmaids, The Fault in Our Stars, Maleficent and The Last Jedi. Oh, and don't forget The Help, Brave, Lucy and rock and roller cola wars (I can't take it anymore).
So, let us look at the unsurprising success of Ocean's 8 through a positive lens. First, I would argue that it is encouraging that absolutely no one with a brain was surprised by the film's $40 million+ domestic debut. Like the expected $48m Fri-Mon debut of Ride Along back in 2014, the success of this all-female heist flick is encouraging both because it rebuts conventional wisdom and because it was so unsurprising that we may almost be at a point where the success of a movie like Girls Trip or Ocean's 8 is, in fact, conventional wisdom. And that is key. The lesson of Ocean's 8 is simple.
It's not that the movie proves that big movies about women aren't inherently box office poison. It's that movies like Ocean's 8 show that big movies about women/for women should no longer have to shoulder the pressure the onscreen representation of an entire gender. Ten years after Mamma Mia!, nine years after The Blind Side, eight years after Salt, seven years after Bridesmaids, six years after The Hunger Games, five years after Frozen, four years after Fault in Our Stars, three years after The Force Awakens, two years after Hidden Figures and one year after Wonder Woman, movies like Ocean's 8 shouldn't be considered a surprise or a test case.
Walt Disney and Universal/Comcast Corp. both flourished when they realized this over the last few years. Warner Bros. is clearly getting the message too. Movies like the Sandra Bullock/Cate Blanchett/Anne Hathaway/Rihanna/Sarah Paulson/Mindy Kaling/Helena Bonham Carter/Awkwafina heist caper, movies about women, for women and (however too infrequently) by women are not box office poison. They never were.
Those movies were successful but not because they were framed as being female lead films. They were just great films. I'm not saying that women can't be successful leads. I'm not obtuse. I'm saying marketing them just being a woman without any compelling story or substance is what kills them. It could be personal bias though.
Ocean's 8 is the anamoly.
Anybody with sense knows Wonder Woman and a mainline Star Wars movie isn't flopping regardless of who's in it. Everything else up there is whatever. Musicals and kids movies? Come on
This movie is going double Now or Later wrapper, and I'd put money on that.
Anybody with sense knows Wonder Woman and a mainline Star Wars movie isn't flopping regardless of who's in it. Everything else up there is whatever. Musicals and kids movies? Come on
This movie is going double Now or Later wrapper, and I'd put money on that.
NobodyReally
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Y'all are some weirdos. Women are half the population. That means when movies do well, they usually require female support. Spider-Man is breaking records not because only men and boys are supporting, but women are going to see it in droves too. Oceans 8 was not an anomaly. And y'all forget how many Wonder Women is gonna flop predictions there were "because women won't support". Not going back and forth. The test will be the box office numbers.
Json
Superstar
I agree with the sentiment but this movie ain’t it.
Movie gone flop hard as fukk
BaltimoreTwilightMarauder
Superstar
Women don't support women unless they can gain personally.
Red Shield
Global Domination
Yeah...seen the trailer two times. Once before NWY and the other before Matrix...
Most likely gonna bomb.
Should have pushed it back to feb or sold it to a streaming service.
Most likely gonna bomb.
Should have pushed it back to feb or sold it to a streaming service.
NobodyReally
Superstar
This was really good. I was really into it. Not a dull moment and the action was off the chain. The fights were 
There were some predictable moments, and I blame some of that on the trailer for giving things away, but there were also some nice surprises. I was a bit taken aback by the violence/brutality. 
They really took the gloves off, and the women didn't always fair well. There were two things that bothered me in terms of realism, but in comparison to what has been coming out lately, this was still probably one of the most grounded and realistic spy/thriller action movies I've seen in a long time. I also enjoyed the character development, it made the progression of the plot more compelling and intense. Great acting, especially by Lupita and Sebastian.
My theatre was half full, but people, especially the guys sitting near me, were very vocal in their reactions. I feel vindicated because I'm certain that the word of mouth on this one will translate into a surprise sleeper hit.
I give this an 8 out of 10, just because they inadvertently sabotaged one of the twists (because there were a few) in the trailer and for one moment of wtf. lol. But two thumbs up for me.
There were some predictable moments, and I blame some of that on the trailer for giving things away, but there were also some nice surprises. I was a bit taken aback by the violence/brutality. They really took the gloves off, and the women didn't always fair well. There were two things that bothered me in terms of realism, but in comparison to what has been coming out lately, this was still probably one of the most grounded and realistic spy/thriller action movies I've seen in a long time. I also enjoyed the character development, it made the progression of the plot more compelling and intense. Great acting, especially by Lupita and Sebastian.My theatre was half full, but people, especially the guys sitting near me, were very vocal in their reactions. I feel vindicated because I'm certain that the word of mouth on this one will translate into a surprise sleeper hit.
I give this an 8 out of 10, just because they inadvertently sabotaged one of the twists (because there were a few) in the trailer and for one moment of wtf. lol. But two thumbs up for me.
