the next guy
Superstar
And the around 40 women he cheated with. How has no one asked him about this yet.
The 2024 Democratic Primary Thread [Replace Biden Extended Remix Thread]
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Reality Check
Keepin' it 100
People are actually fans of this dogshyt?
No sane politician that wants primarily Democratic votes would associate with Tucker Carlson.
So he is either a tool of the right, and/or mentally unwell.
Either of those should be fully disqualifying.
the cac mamba
Veteran
fukking scum, all of them. i bet bernie runs for reelection too
the level of self-importance these people have is absolutely insane
storyteller
Veteran
This debate is back, but dumber
I side with Vaush here. I think a big contingent of lefties who weren't in the fold BEFORE Bernie's run have turned presidential elections into their focal point for advancing left issues...that's ass backwards to me. It leaves out all the groundwork that was set by OWS, and the activist groups that sprung from it. Laying a foundation for someone to make waves in a primary takes years, not a last-minute jump into the race. Ironically, the foundation prior to Bernie was supposed to be for Elizabeth Warren (yall remember the Draft Warren stuff?) but when she passed on running, Bernie became the guy and it blew up.
Anyway, I agree with Vaush, but I don't think he's making an appealing case for these young lefties. He should talk to them about building from the ground up, creating progressive enclaves in blue locations where a progressive presidential candidate can build steam (and also set up headquarters and do all the groundwork I never see from the Williamsons of the world).
I side with Vaush here. I think a big contingent of lefties who weren't in the fold BEFORE Bernie's run have turned presidential elections into their focal point for advancing left issues...that's ass backwards to me. It leaves out all the groundwork that was set by OWS, and the activist groups that sprung from it. Laying a foundation for someone to make waves in a primary takes years, not a last-minute jump into the race. Ironically, the foundation prior to Bernie was supposed to be for Elizabeth Warren (yall remember the Draft Warren stuff?) but when she passed on running, Bernie became the guy and it blew up.
Anyway, I agree with Vaush, but I don't think he's making an appealing case for these young lefties. He should talk to them about building from the ground up, creating progressive enclaves in blue locations where a progressive presidential candidate can build steam (and also set up headquarters and do all the groundwork I never see from the Williamsons of the world).
the cac mamba
Veteran
oh my god
this is our fukking nominee to be the president until 2029
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Been saying this for a while, bredrin. You gotta work to score your runs, not aim for for homers at each at bat. You don’t have the capital, media interests and infrastructure. Start building an infrastructure and start educating people.
oh my god
Be respectful of Sleepy Joe. The man was at the Constitutional Convention for God's sake
storyteller
Veteran
That was a big story after the first Bernie run. It was supposed to be a chance to build new channels for Progressives to work through and compete. But unfortunately it feels like the 2020 run did three things:
1. Pushed a chunk of activists back to building outside of electoral politics.
2. Intensified the pressure from center and rightwing money, which limited progressive groups' abilities to compete across campaigns (Justice Dems spent a huge chunk of their money making sure Summer Lee could compete with AIPAC money for example).
3. Allowed opportunists to hone in on the younger and very online portion of the left, with messaging that was frustration based without any realistic solutions (hence the hyperfocus on presidential election without even acknowledging that a bunch of Progressives exist all down the ballots).
Progressives made a leap forward into the mainstream conversation, but one step back with all the BS that came with it. I think the impact on discussions will be felt though, because Millenials and Gen Z are definitely more primed to look for systemic problems and fixes.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
I don’t mind NOT Jumping into electoral politics first. You have to actually be a face in your community and achieve stuff. then start local and build up.
Focusing on national elections is just clout chasing.
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storyteller
Veteran
I agree. You can jump into local elections for seats that can have meaningful connections to your town/municipality. But I also think a chunk of very online folk have never realized that you don't need to do electoral politics, local or otherwise, to be a face in your community or to build something that helps it.
Working electoral channels or getting yourself familiar with local officials will always help impact your community. But there are plenty of other ways to contribute that can be meaningful...plus depending on your goals, they can be a faster path to impact.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Totally agree
And you use those theories that you have learned in action and inform people with those actions.
Just trying to be a candidate is clout chasing, imo and it’s why there is no leftist movement in this country.
storyteller
Veteran
Exactly! That experience with people has a ton of value. Right now, the union fights this past year are the best sign of leftist momentum we've got. I think you'll find better leaders in those fights than anywhere on the electoral map.