Texas Muslims Want to Build Homes and a Mosque. The Governor Says No.

[Pull Up the Roots]

Idk how you can say only xyz is oppressing Muslims when they do in fact go after Mormons and Hasidics. I think they should be regulated even more strictly. They're criminal organizations masquerading as religion.

You're being dishonest. The state doesn't go after Mormons or Hasidics simply for building religious communities, they intervene when there's criminal behavior like abuse, fraud, or exploitation. You're deliberately conflating prosecution of criminals with persecution of communities to justify discrimination against Muslims who are, in this case, doing everything by the book. You're weaponizing a false equivalence to rationalize anti-Muslim bigotry.

I've likely made threads or posted about it over the years so I have. I chipped in my 2 cents here.

Raping and killing children is wrong? Can we agree on that?

I remember a few crazy ones over the years ie Jeffs

What the heck are you talking about? Y'all can't justify the state's discrimination, so now you're dragging in completely unrelated horrors to muddy the waters. That is weird.

The Waco Siege happened in Waco Texas right? Or was that another state?


I'm sure there is extra ire on them being Muslims but it's not like shyt like this happens in a vacuum.

Waco was a militarized siege involving a heavily armed cult accused of child abuse and stockpiling weapons. This is a peaceful, legally structured housing project, operating transparently and *within* the law. The fact that you're reaching *that* far to make a comparison says more about your bias than it does about the project.

"Extra ire" because they're Muslim *is* the point, and that discrimination isn't excused by falsely pretending there's some precedent when there isn't. Stop justifying bigotry by pretending it's about anything else. You know damn well what the state of Texas, Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton are doing and why they're doing it. Come on, man.

Not sure why you feel that way. But it is generally better I think to nip a few child brides and mass graves in the bud than hear about it on dateline in 20 years.

it's not like forming an insular religious community in Texas is some new grand idea that will magically result in a different outcome

You want to talk about child marriage and abuse? Let's start with the fact that Christian fundamentalist communities in the US have long histories of it. Over 200,000 minors were married in the US between 2000 and 2015, and many of those marriages were backed by conservative Christian values and laws that still haven’t been repealed in red states like Texas.

Groups like the FLDS literally ran child bride cults, and were left alone until the damage was done. Evangelical and Baptist churches have repeatedly covered up decades of sexual abuse. In your backyard of Brooklyn, there's been waves of child sexual abuse cases in the Haredi community, Hareid groups stalled a bill banning child marriage, and child marriage is also a problem in Orthodox communities. That's not something that might be reported on in 20 years - it happened already, and it is still happening, yet it isn't being used as a pretext to deny those groups rights, because that's not what this is really about. These aren't isolated incidents, either.

You obviously don't care about abuse. You're just engaging in selective outrage to smear a group you already don't like and pretending it’s "concern."

Banning child marriage in America: An uphill fight against evangelical pressure

Kentucky's bill had to change to accommodate religious concerns. A similar bill is dying in Tennessee. Here's why

www.salon.com

Widespread child marriage in U.S. is a secular issue

Did you know that minors can marry in 45 U.S. states? Only this month did Rhode Island join Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey and Pennsylvania in banning marriage for individuals under

ffrf.org

United States' Child Marriage Problem: Study Findings (April 2021) - Unchained At Last

The United States has a child marriage problem - but a simple solution is available. Nearly 300,000 minors, under age 18, were legally married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018, this study found.

www.unchainedatlast.org

Ultra-Orthodox Shun Their Own for Reporting Child Sexual Abuse (Published 2012)

In confronting Jewish laws that forbid airing allegations against fellow Jews or turning them in to the police, families of ultra-Orthodox victims who have been molested face intimidation by their communities.

www.nytimes.com

Silence and self-rule: Brooklyn's Orthodox child abuse cover-up

Brooklyn's ultra-Orthodox rabbis claim they are co-operating with authorities over child sex abuse. But victims say they are being persecuted – and that the DA is doing little to help

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Islam is notorious for not integrating well with other cultures. Let's not pretend the people don't have any concerns especially those leading those effort.
Sharia law is not compatible with the American constitution

Not sure why you are trying to tie some Christian sect to Islam when you know damn well this country from its in inception has always tolerate various crazy Christian sects.
Even the crazy mormons and their laws know to stay inline with the constitution. None of the laws you posted from the Amish goes against the constitution. Islamic laws of men being allowed 4 wives or apostacy laws is in direct contradiction of the constitution.
If they want a place to practice sharia, they are in the wrong country

Alright, then, let's talk about integration and separate legal systems, because Hasidic and Haredi Jewish communities in New York have long operated with their own internal religious courts (beit din), enforce gender segregation on public buses and in private spaces, and push for separate subway cars for women. These communities police themselves (shomrim), discourage reporting to outside authorities, and have created insular systems where abuse and coercion can thrive, and yet, no one is screaming that they're incompatible with the US Constitution. So let's not pretend this is about anything other than your personal discomfort.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

i've noticed that these goofy white liberals like @Pull Out The dikk patronize muslims by treating them like children, and refusing to criticize them or hold them accountable. ever

is strict sharia law, as practiced in the middle east, compatible with western society? treating women as second class citizens? killing people for leaving a religion? not letting women drive, beating them for leaving the house without covering their hair? the answer is no. you can't spin that

you cannot be a hardcore liberal and spin hardcore sharia law's treatment of women

Why is it acceptable for this racist piece of shyt to say this?

It's pretty rich hearing this from someone who's literally part of the group spreading lies, inciting racism, and blaming immigrants for every problem in this country. You might be able to fool almost everyone else on here, but I remember you openly saying you were voting for Trump, supporting DeSantis, and pledging to vote for him again. I've seen you post links to neo-Nazi Twitter accounts, white supremacists, and other racists. You've deflected from police abuse by using the tired "what about black-on-black crime" trope. You've called dark skin disgusting, and even told people to stop "beating others over the head" about race while spouting your bigotries.

 

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AI is crazy these days

 

[DonFrancisco]

Not sure why you are trying to tie some Christian sect to Islam when you know damn well this country from its in inception has always tolerate various crazy Christian sects.
Even the crazy mormons and their laws know to stay inline with the constitution. None of the laws you posted from the Amish goes against the constitution. Islamic laws of men being allowed 4 wives or apostacy laws is in direct contradiction of the constitution.
If they want a place to practice sharia, they are in the wrong country

I use that sect because in the US as well as many parts of world memonite communities have been hotbeds for ra*pe, murder, terrorism, etc. Why is it okay for them to create insulary communities that do not follow US laws and the Constitution (covering up sexual assault and trying cases in their community violates due process). Also this is not a blanket indiciment on all menoninite sects as well as a community wanting to have Islamic values guide community

 

[mastermind]

No, you are. Y'all are the ones dragging in all this irrelevant noise when the issue is simply about the state of Texas openly discriminating against Muslims. That's the point. Stick to it. There's no evidence that this is meant to be "Muslim-only," and if they ever tried to make it that, they'd be sued into oblivion. The NYT article literally says they're following the law, making concessions, and adjusting the project to comply with state requirements. The only thing that stands out here is the fact that they're Muslim, and that's exactly why the state is targeting them.

@88m3 is a proud islamaphobe


Continuing to engage is a waste of time.

Try to take a cell phone to an Amish community or tell menoninite community how to live? See how that turns out

Ironic to since the menonites in Texas are the epicenter of the measles outbreak

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

And you had black folks upset at Jasmine Crockett for calling this racist, immobile POS “Governor Hot Wheels”

 

[Bleed The Freak]

In a normal world this is an easily winnable lawsuit

These are not normal times

 

[88m3]

You're being dishonest. The state doesn't go after Mormons or Hasidics simply for building religious communities, they intervene when there's criminal behavior like abuse, fraud, or exploitation. You're deliberately conflating prosecution of criminals with persecution of communities to justify discrimination against Muslims who are, in this case, doing everything by the book. You're weaponizing a false equivalence to rationalize anti-Muslim bigotry.


What the heck are you talking about? Y'all can't justify the state's discrimination, so now you're dragging in completely unrelated horrors to muddy the waters. That is weird.


Waco was a militarized siege involving a heavily armed cult accused of child abuse and stockpiling weapons. This is a peaceful, legally structured housing project, operating transparently and *within* the law. The fact that you're reaching *that* far to make a comparison says more about your bias than it does about the project.

"Extra ire" because they're Muslim *is* the point, and that discrimination isn't excused by falsely pretending there's some precedent when there isn't. Stop justifying bigotry by pretending it's about anything else. You know damn well what the state of Texas, Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton are doing and why they're doing it. Come on, man.



You want to talk about child marriage and abuse? Let's start with the fact that Christian fundamentalist communities in the US have long histories of it. Over 200,000 minors were married in the US between 2000 and 2015, and many of those marriages were backed by conservative Christian values and laws that still haven’t been repealed in red states like Texas.

Groups like the FLDS literally ran child bride cults, and were left alone until the damage was done. Evangelical and Baptist churches have repeatedly covered up decades of sexual abuse. In your backyard of Brooklyn, there's been waves of child sexual abuse cases in the Haredi community, Hareid groups stalled a bill banning child marriage, and child marriage is also a problem in Orthodox communities. That's not something that might be reported on in 20 years - it happened already, and it is still happening, yet it isn't being used as a pretext to deny those groups rights, because that's not what this is really about. These aren't isolated incidents, either.

You obviously don't care about abuse. You're just engaging in selective outrage to smear a group you already don't like and pretending it’s "concern."

You pompous piece of shyt how dare you accuse me of being dishonest. Religious communities and crimes go hand in hand. You've really got your blinders on if you're unwilling to admit that. I would be saying the same thing if white Catholics or Protestants tried to pull this same move in 2025.

They all start out as Mr. Rodgers style developments that are "peaceful, legally structured housing project, operating transparently and *within* the law and then turn into horror shows!

Did Georgia target Malachi York because he was Black and or Muslim? Most likely but like they did murder and rape all those people or at least that's what I've read.


You're not even paying attention to what I've written and just trying to attack me for no reason. I specifically said the Hasidic communitie and groups like FLDS and reference one by name Warren Jeffs(there was a huge thread on here or the other site). This forum or the other one we also discussed religion and these sick fukks more often when it happened but no one really makes new threads here anymore.

Warren Jeffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It should go without saying that a group that thinks black people are the devil and don't have souls are human garbage.

I call out Hasidic bs on here all the time when it comes up but the antisemitism here is already at a 10/10. They pushed a disabled black man out of his wheelchair and attacked him with clubs for no reason last week where I live. It's not difficult to imagine what I would like to see happen to them.

It should really go without saying that both are absolute trash.



As far as Muslim Americans go feel free to build all the mosques they want and practice their religion within the law.


I however won't be thanking them for killing millions of black people and consigning millions more to debilitating diseases by helping to elect Trump.

I also will not be thanking them for their silence as their home countries hold black people in slavery, fund genocides in Africa, and steal Africa's resources.


Have a nice weekend

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why is it acceptable for this racist piece of shyt to say this?

So its even worse that you’re defending islam?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@88m3 is a proud islamaphobe


Continuing to engage is a waste of time.
Ironic to since the menonites in Texas are the epicenter of the measles outbreak

What’s islamophobic about this?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And memonites laws and beliefs are commpatible? The Amish are allowed to have their own justice system:

Amish Punishments – Amish Rules

amishrules.com

That doesn’t mean I should support a bigger example of this with way more money behind it???

 

[newworldafro]

I watched this video, below, a few weeks ago. The OP city is in Plano, TX, but this video is Irving, TX, both in DFW.

The Irving one appears to be pan-Islam, there were Somalis in there from Minneapolis and your Arabs and Pakistanis. Even showed a scarved-up black woman security guard at the Islamic school, also at the Mega Mosque.

The architecture is super dope for these houses. A typical new American subdivision is very cookie cutter and you can pick from 5 or 6 layouts.... not here.....all these houses uniquely combine historical w/ modern features...Definitely impressed by that aspect.

American Dream yes .... deep sharia law will probably conflict at some point, beyond just the Governor stirring up the pot. Interesting. Worth a watch just get a flavor of Islam in place like Texas.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

So its even worse that you’re defending islam?

Religious freedom either applies to everyone, or it's meaningless.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

MAGA babble.

You're doing exactly what I said you'd do by trying to shift from a civil rights conversation into a racist morality play. You see a Muslim community that follows the law, meets state requirements, and tries to build something like everyone else, and your response is to spiral into unhinged screeds about Waco, Jeffs, mass graves, and child rape? That's a MAGA-esque smear tactic, rooted in bigotry and nothing more.

You keep saying you'd say the same if it were Christians or Hasidics, but you don't. You didn't show this energy for the actual documented abuse and child marriage cases that already exist in Christian and Hasidic communities. You only bring them up now to serve as deflection, because you need cover for singling Muslims out.

And your attempt to weaponize Black suffering to justify this is beyond disgusting. You don't care about what happens to Black people in Africa, or in America, unless it's something you can twist to justify harming someone else. You're exploiting injustice, just to launder your prejudice through it. And you're too much of a coward to be truthful to yourself.