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desjardins said:
Arum also said Al Haymon was blocking the fight, since yall believe everything Bob Arum says now? :mjlol:
Far as it being a bad business model, it's the model every major promotional outfit uses for their big fights so obviously it's been working out well enough for it to be the standard for the last 10-15 yrs
Are you saying Spence can't sell enough between gate and a likely high ass $80+ PPV to cover a guarantee in the biggest fight of his career but he could do that against Ugas? Make it make sense.
Even if that shyt flops and does 250k buys it's enough to cover a low 8 figure guarantee (split between both guys)
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Man, yall be coming in with bad faith arguments. Who said we believed everything Arum says? In regards to paying Bud a guarantee, Arum stated he was losing money. That's a direct response to the topic at hand.....this guarantee that you're whining about. No matter how you spin it, or no matter how many of yall have become financial advisors in the last month, he still ducked. And he fighting a guy that no one knows.
 
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Man, yall be coming in with bad faith arguments. Who said we believed everything Arum says? In regards to paying Bud a guarantee, Arum stated he was losing money. That's a direct response to the topic at hand.....this guarantee that you're whining about. No matter how you spin it, or no matter how many of yall have become financial advisors in the last month, he still ducked. And he fighting a guy that no one knows.
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The problem is this.. We know yall dont believe Arum.. Yall are picking n choosing Arum quotes that fit your arguments and agendas... All you or anybody has to do is pull up the posts where anyone says its a bad business model to give Shawn Porter a career high guarantee like he was demanding..

When he was legedly offered $1m guarantee damn near the whole Ring was claiming Bud and his side were low balling him.. Same with Danny Garcia...when he was offered $3m guaranteed.. Anybody who has ever considered stepping in the ring with Crawford wanted TR to pay a career high guarantee.. Not one time did any of you clowns say that this was a bad business model.. But now it's a bad business model when it comes to Bud.. :wow: A guatantee wasn't a bad business model with any big fight or semi big fight PBC has made you nikkas pay for.. Now you nikkas wanna use Arum quotes and agree with bullshyt he talking about :heh:
 
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The problem is this.. We know yall dont believe Arum.. Yall are picking n choosing Arum quotes that fit your arguments and agendas... All you or anybody has to do is pull up the posts where anyone says its a bad business model to give Shawn Porter a career high guarantee like he was demanding..

When he was legedly offered $1m guarantee damn near the whole Ring was claiming Bud and his side were low balling him.. Same with Danny Garcia...when he was offered $3m guaranteed.. Anybody who has ever considered stepping in the ring with Crawford wanted TR to pay a career high guarantee.. Not one time did any of you clowns say that this was a bad business model.. But now it's a bad business model when it comes to Bud.. :wow: A guatantee wasn't a bad business model with any big fight or semi big fight PBC has made you nikkas pay for.. Now you nikkas wanna use Arum quotes and agree with bullshyt he talking about :heh:
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The bad business model is giving Bud an outrageous guarantee only for the box office to flop. You watched it with Top Rank and you're about to see it with BLK. I told no lies. And it's not picking and choosing Arum quotes. It's simply speaking facts. Bud's "worth" has yet to match his "value". Why would anyone be mad at a company for trying to make sure the worth matches the value?
 
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The bad business model is giving Bud an outrageous guarantee only for the box office to flop. You watched it with Top Rank and you're about to see it with BLK. I told no lies. And it's not picking and choosing Arum quotes. It's simply speaking facts. Bud's "worth" has yet to match his "value". Why would anyone be mad at a company for trying to make sure the worth matches the value?
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Guaranteeing a fighter gets a purse is not a bad business model. What we saw at TR was shytty promotion, and Bob Arums lack of ability to recruit or build opponents for Crawford to face that would bring him more stardom. TR was more focused on putting international opponents in the ring with Crawford instead of building a domestic stable... Instead of Arum taking any responsibility for his failure he places the blame soley on crawford. So you choosing to take Arums stance now is real funny in the light.. because you're only doing so to justify PBC (who never wanted this fight) offering Bud AND Spence a shytty contract.. If Spence vs Bud is gonna flop at the box office. That says more about Spence and his handlers than Crawford
 
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Black_Jesus said:
The problem is this.. We know yall dont believe Arum.. Yall are picking n choosing Arum quotes that fit your arguments and agendas... All you or anybody has to do is pull up the posts where anyone says its a bad business model to give Shawn Porter a career high guarantee like he was demanding..

When he was legedly offered $1m guarantee damn near the whole Ring was claiming Bud and his side were low balling him.. Same with Danny Garcia...when he was offered $3m guaranteed.. Anybody who has ever considered stepping in the ring with Crawford wanted TR to pay a career high guarantee.. Not one time did any of you clowns say that this was a bad business model.. But now it's a bad business model when it comes to Bud.. :wow: A guatantee wasn't a bad business model with any big fight or semi big fight PBC has made you nikkas pay for.. Now you nikkas wanna use Arum quotes and agree with bullshyt he talking about :heh:
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The hypocrisy on this situation is mind boggling. Haymon presented Bud with a worst contract then Arum ever did and these dudes pretending to not understand how it was a shytty attempt to actually make the fight. Ironically it's appearing like Haymon is doing exactly what they claimed Arum was doing by protecting his cash cow by sending out low ball offers. They got to lie to themselves and be hypocrites since it's no boogeyman on the other side of the street to blame for the fight not coming to fruition. Now fighters are supposed to accept whatever slop is tossed their way or it's ducking :dead:
 
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Guaranteeing a fighter gets a purse is not a bad business model. What we saw at TR was shytty promotion, and Bob Arums lack of ability to recruit or build opponents for Crawford to face that would bring him more stardom. TR was more focused on putting international opponents in the ring with Crawford instead of building a domestic stable... Instead of Arum taking any responsibility for his failure he places the blame soley on crawford. So you choosing to take Arums stance now is real funny in the light.. because you're only doing so to justify PBC (who never wanted this fight) offering Bud AND Spence a shytty contract.. If Spence vs Bud is gonna flop at the box office. That says more about Spence and his handlers than Crawford
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You are purposely being obtuse. Giving a guy that doesn't care to promote his own fights a huge guarantee up front, while you're left holding the bag on the back end, is bad business. He has no incentive to make the fight as big of a success as he can if he already got his bread. This ain't an Arum quote or a me quote. You're about to see with your own eyes that what went on with Bud at Top Rank that had Arum fuming, is happening now when Bud is his "own boss".
 
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The hypocrisy on this situation is mind boggling. Haymon presented Bud with a worst contract then Arum ever did and these dudes pretending to not understand how it was a shytty attempt to actually make the fight. Ironically it's appearing like Haymon is doing exactly what they claimed Arum was doing by protecting his cash cow by sending out low ball offers. They got to lie to themselves and be hypocrites since it's no boogeyman on the other side of the street to blame for the fight not coming to fruition. Now fighters are supposed to accept whatever slop is tossed their way or it's ducking :dead:
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Spell his next opponents name without looking it up.....

Now fans are supposed to accept whatever slop is tossed their way or it's hating :dead:
 
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You are purposely being obtuse. Giving a guy that doesn't care to promote his own fights a huge guarantee up front, while you're left holding the bag on the back end, is bad business. He has no incentive to make the fight as big of a success as he can if he already got his bread. This ain't an Arum quote or a me quote. You're about to see with your own eyes that what went on with Bud at Top Rank that had Arum fuming, is happening now when Bud is his "own boss".
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I never said anything about "a huge guarantee" my issue is with the $0 guarantee for a fight that obviously will be bigger than any fight either have been apart of. Crawford's job is only to step in the ring and do what he does which is knock nikkas out.. Crawford's job isn't to make the fight "as big of a success as he can" Anything outside of knocking nikkas out.. promotion wise such as press tours, radio appearances, etc is the job of the promotors to set up for the fighters.. THATS THE PROMOTORS JOB.. They are supposed to take on some risk.. how much risk varies.. You still dont seem to understand the roles of a fighter and promotor, or you're still trying to play dumb and run with bs narratives..
 
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Champ_KW said:
Spell his next opponents name without looking it up.....

Now fans are supposed to accept whatever slop is tossed their way or it's hating :dead:
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Don't buy it :yeshrug:
Same way I won't be paying $80 for Spence vs Stanionias
Stay focused, we talking about PBC not trying to make the Bud fight . Not the mid bouts that's going result from them fumbling the match they been marinating for 5 yrs
 
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desjardins said:
this gotta be a voice over :russ:
no way dude moving like this after almost dying off the liquor
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shyt some nikkas just don't learn or are hard headed. I had a family friend that stayed in and out of jail for driving drunk and getting fukked up. If I was Spence's team if he's really struggling with the drinking I'd keep him as active as possible so he has less down time to fukk up.
 
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