Telegram tops the chart of most downloaded apps worldwide for January 2021

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Been on telegram and signal for a year. Also proton mail. IYKYK

TBH the government is probably about to shut all or most of these down soon or force a backdoor.

Both parties were trying to do it in the last admin.

that ain't happening for a variety of reasons.

Signal and it's protocol is open source and they don't store any messages on their servers.

telegram is owned by a Russian billionaire who successfully evaded bans by Russia using domain fronting.

 

[J.E.T.S]

Been on telegram and signal for a year. Also proton mail. IYKYK

TBH the government is probably about to shut all or most of these down soon or force a backdoor.

Both parties were trying to do it in the last admin.

protonmail + CA + burner app + proxy + the right bin =

 

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Even the most professional of those apps, Zoom is sus as fukk and no respectable company uses it for any type of meeting discussing their trade secrets.

It's also 30% dominated by Facebook companies (maybe more I'm not up on every single property they own) and they're also spying on people and gave rise to Donald Trump's little facist takeover.

Telegram and Signal are only popping right now because it's a place where White Supremacists conspire to do shyt in "secret"

I can see the criticism with TikTok and Facebook.

You're completely wrong about Zoom. I can assure you there are many global banks and enterprises who use Zoom for their business meetings everyday.

WhatsApp was an amazing VOIP app that was in existence long before Facebook bought them. It was a godsend especially for people to communicate with their loved ones internationally without having to keep buying phone cards at the gas station

Telegram has been a dope platform for years for group discussions long before the MAGA crowd moved in. Telegram ain't going nowhere.

Some of your judgments are off.

 

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that ain't happening for a variety of reasons.

Signal and it's protocol is open source and they don't store any messages on their servers.

telegram is owned by a Russian billionaire who successfully evaded bans by Russia using domain fronting.

They can’t shut down the actual app but they can force every isp to drop them and ban their traffic which would effectively kill them.

You could get around that but they can basically make it so restrictive that only advanced people will be able to install and configure and run the app.

 

[Paper Boi]

I can see the criticism with TikTok and Facebook.

You're completely wrong about Zoom. I can assure you there are many global banks and enterprises who use Zoom for their business meetings everyday.

are they discussing trade secrets in these meetings, because if they are then they're being quite irresponsible.

i know my company does not due to security risks.

 

[Address_Unknown]

It’s like what’s app and messenger right ? What’s makes it different and better

It's the closest variant to WhatsApp that isn't WhatsApp right now for those who aren't keen on the new policies that will take effect in the next day or so in regards to how much of your information they'll admit to taking from your "experience".

While they aren't exactly reading messages, they are indeed collecting seemingly harmless data on your phone behaviour pattern, like if you let your battery die down aa opposed to keeping it charged, the location you are based in, the shyt you search for etc....

Telegraph supposedly doesn't do this, but I trust none of these platforms to the point where I talk anything personal on em that I couldn't in a semi crowded area so even if it does, I'm some what insulated.

Not sure how the video and call quality is, but the messaging system isn't as informative as WhatsApp, which has different levels of ticks to let you know the status of messages sent.

Minor foibles if you aren't picky. The one thing I hated about it was the fact that it automatically broadcasted to everyone in my contact list who has it, that I just downloaded it.

Got me like "My nikka, I downloaded you for privacy issues, which part of the game is this shyt???"

 

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They can’t shut down the actual app but they can force every isp to drop them and ban their traffic which would effectively kill them.

You could get around that but they can basically make it so restrictive that only advanced people will be able to install and configure and run the app.

I don't think theres any precedent for the U.S government telling ISP's to ban traffic to a particular service.

Internet censorship in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Jekyll]

I don't think theres any precedent for the U.S government telling ISP's to ban traffic to a particular service.

Internet censorship in the United States - Wikipedia

Usually they’re dealing with US run sites that they can seize. They could easily lean on Apple and Google to ban these apps which would likely require root access to the phone to get around. They could be banned by the Commerce department.

What the government is actually after is worse than that though. They want the actual keys to the encryption or want a backdoor.

It would ban providers in the U.S. from offering end-to-end encryption, encrypted devices that cannot be unlocked for law enforcement, and indeed any encryption that does not build in a means of decrypting data for the police. Security researchers and civil-rights advocates have long feared the introduction of such a radical bill, and now it’s finally here.

The Senate’s twin threats to online speech and security

 

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Usually they’re dealing with US run sites that they can seize. They could easily lean on Apple and Google to ban these apps which would likely require root access to the phone to get around. They could be banned by the Commerce department.

What the government is actually after is worse than that though. They want the actual keys to the encryption or want a backdoor.



The Senate’s twin threats to online speech and security

seizing a domain is different from banning traffic to a service. Domain seizure for a messenger service ain't happening unless it can be proven in court that they've operated illegally and in a criminal manner. Trump couldn't even get TikTok banned, so I don't think they can press any app store. You don't need root access to sideload an app on android devices. I don't think you need root to sideload apps on ios either, i think chinese users use websites with ios enterprise certificates to bypass the local app store.

The recent solarwinds breach will dead those encryption backdoor encroachments for a while.

 

[Jekyll]

seizing a domain is different from banning traffic to a service. Domain seizure for a messenger service ain't happening unless it can be proven in court that they've operated illegally and in a criminal manner. Trump couldn't even get TikTok banned, so I don't think they can press any app store. You don't need root to sideload an app on android devices. I don't think you need root to sideload apps on ios either, i think chinese users use websites with ios enterprise certificates to bypass the local app store.

The recent solarwinds breach will dead those encryption backdoor encroachments for a while.

The feds don’t just seize a domain, they can raid and seize all assets involved if they want. Federal judges also clearly said that the Potus/Commerce did have authority to ban Tik Tok but he didn’t demonstrate a sufficient enough cause.

And the point that you seem to be missing is that you are required to sideload an app or use some sketchy chinese workaround, then you are going to lose most of the layman users.

The government has the tools at its disposal to neuter the internet if they wanted. I don’t think that’s arguable. If you think so then visit countries like China and North Korea or the UAE where the government shuts certain portions of the internet off and throw you in jail for using VPNs. We’re a pen stroke away from that reality and some officials are moving towards that direction.

 

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The feds don’t just seize a domain, they can raid and seize all assets involved if they want. Federal judges also clearly said that the Potus/Commerce did have authority to ban Tik Tok but he didn’t demonstrate a sufficient enough cause.

And the point that you seem to be missing is that you are required to sideload an app or use some sketchy chinese workaround, then you are going to lose most of the layman users.

The government has the tools at its disposal to neuter the internet if they wanted. I don’t think that’s arguable. If you think so then visit countries like China and North Korea or the UAE where the government shuts certain portions of the internet off and throw you in jail for using VPNs. We’re a pen stroke away from that reality and some officials are moving towards that direction.

The feds can only raid and seize assets within their jurisdiction although I don't believe this will ever happen to telegram or the signal service.

as far as iOS goes, the majority of users probably wouldn't take the extra steps to install a messenger app.

The Internet infrastructure in those countries isn't built the same way it is here. I don't see any internet shutdown in the United states happening at all in the foreseeable future.