Susan Rice’s tarnished resume

[theworldismine13]

There is a lot of Foreign policy being dictated on that list.

not really, some secretaries may have more influence then others and some may have been given a looser reign than others, but to say they dictated foreign policy is a reach, even with kissinger, ultimately kissinger's views = nixon's views

 

[Type Username Here]

not really, some secretaries may have more influence then others and some may have been given a looser reign than others, but to say they dictated foreign policy is a reach, even with kissinger, ultimately kissinger's views = nixon's views

McNamara was the worst as far as dictating foreign policy, and he was the DOD head

 

[tru_m.a.c]

not really, some secretaries may have more influence then others and some may have been given a looser reign than others, but to say they dictated foreign policy is a reach, even with kissinger, ultimately kissinger's views = nixon's views

whether they're the head or the body, his point still remains

You can say he's wrong for thinking that that she's much of the same old same old, but that's where the burden of proof falls back onto you

counter his rwanda accusations....

 

[theworldismine13]

whether they're the head or the body, his point still remains

You can say he's wrong for thinking that that she's much of the same old same old, but that's where the burden of proof falls back onto you

counter his rwanda accusations....

Im not saying that he is wrong about her being part of the same old same old, she absolutely is, it's completely correct to say that rice is part of the establishment

I'm just clarifying that the discussion of who will be the Secretary of State is an inside the beltway/office politics issue, it's not a discussion of actual foreign policy, if you want to know what American foreign policy will be like you have to listen to Obama speeches, the sec of state executes the policy they don't dictate policy

as for rwanda, pretty much everybody involved starting with bill Clinton and including rice has admitted that it was one of the biggest mistakes of the Clinton administration

 

[theworldismine13]

McNamara was the worst as far as dictating foreign policy, and he was the DOD head

people like McNamara and Kissinger are aberrations but ultimately the president is and should be held responsible or get credit for foreign policy

 

[TrueEpic08]

You just said a whole lot here, (mind you I have not read that article yet) and it's too early to argue. But you're going to have to substantiate a lot of those statements about what she did. I'd also like to hear alternatives.

Too many posts to respond to, so I'll just use this one:

-Yeah, you could say that she's a symptom of the history of US foreign policy, and that I have more of a problem with American foreign policy than anything (you'd by wrong. I have a problem with the very conception of Foreign Policy and the very conception of global political economy in the general, but that's another discussion), but Rice is the absolute worst of both. She continues old, pseudo-Realist legacies that should have been long left behind.

-On Benghazi: I haven't looked around the board, but you do know that Petraeus just testified right? If not, here's a summary: The CIA immediately knew that the attack was planned and deliberate, and Rice lied (or at least misled everybody) by saying it was related to demonstrations in Cairo over the "Innocence of Muslims" video and was spontaneous. Now, take that with a huge grain of salt due to how caught up in the political binary debate it is, but that says something, no? The article: UPDATE 4-In Benghazi testimony, Petraeus says al Qaeda role known early | Reuters

-On Africa: Here's a bit of a summary of Rice's involvement in Rwanda and the DRC, which honestly goes far beyond the two instances that I just posted there and becomes more and more sordid (but not at all shocking) the more you actually know about the situations there: Susan Rice: Benghazi May Be Least of Her Problems - NationalJournal.com

So yeah, I find absolutely nothing that needs to be redeemed about the current global political paradigm on any level, but even if you did, Rice is terrible. She's completely reckless and plays with the lives of people and entire regions due to her recklessness.

 

[the next guy]

she's married to a cac. yuck.


but seriously, that attitude needs to go. Filpping off Holbrooke? What part of the game is that? And the Clinton thing is just childish. She's a frontrunner. The US needs a mature person as SOS.

 

[the next guy]

people like McNamara and Kissinger are aberrations but ultimately the president is and should be held responsible or get credit for foreign policy

I agree. That's why you pick the best rep. And that's not Susan rice. Is there no one else?

 

[theworldismine13]

I agree. That's why you pick the best rep. And that's not Susan rice. Is there no one else?

from obama's point of view she is a good pick, 1) she's a pitbull, i remember in 2007-8 she was ripping clinton and mccain in the talk shows, this article just adds to her pitbull status imo 2) she follows orders 3) unlike clinton or kerry or other names, she's personally loyal to him

so for obama its a no brainer, she isnt being hired to make policy just to follow orders

 

[the next guy]

from obama's point of view she is a good pick, 1) she's a pitbull, i remember in 2007-8 she was ripping clinton and mccain in the talk shows, this article just adds to her pitbull status imo 2) she follows orders 3) unlike clinton or kerry or other names, she's personally loyal to him

so for obama its a no brainer, she isnt being hired to make policy just to follow orders

Fair. Of course Kerry would be more independent, but would be less controversial and easier to get through the senate. The holbrooke thing rubs me wrong...I'm a big fan of his.

 

[theworldismine13]

The Associated Press: Dozen House women defend Rice over Libya comments

 

[Binary]

Tarnished? More than her GOP counterpart that lied about the WMD and Iraq? I don't think so.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I hope she becomes SoS because she's black.

 

[theworldismine13]

Diplomat on the Rise, Suddenly in Turbulence
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/world/susan-e-rice-caught-up-in-furor-over-benghazi.html