Study: effective tax rate of poor 2X that of rich; middle class tax rate higher too

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Let's just cancel peoples' welfare benefits if their kids fail at school. That'll fix our problems.

Here's the full 135 page report from ITEP...http://www.itep.org/pdf/whopaysreport.pdf

http://www.itep.org/pdf/whopayses.pdf

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The 2013 Who Pays: A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All Fifty States (the fourth edition of the report) assesses the fairness of state and local tax systems. The report measures the state and local taxes
paid by different income groups in 2013 (at 2010 income levels including the impact of tax changes enacted through January 2, 2013) as shares of income for every state and the District of Columbia. It discusses state tax policy features and includes detailed state-by-state profiles providing essential baseline data for lawmakers seeking to understand the effect tax reform proposals will have on constituents at all income levels.

• The main finding of this report is that virtually every state’s tax system is fundamentally unfair, taking a much greater share of income from middle- and low-income families than from wealthy families. The absence of a graduated personal income tax and the over reliance on consumption taxes
exacerbate this problem in many states.

• Combining all of the state and local income, property, sales and excise taxes state residents pay, the average overall effective tax rates by income group nationwide are 11.1 percent for the bottom 20 percent, 9.4 percent for the middle 20 percent and 5.6 percent for the top 1 percent.

• Ten states rank as having the most regressive overall tax systems. In these “Terrible Ten” states, the bottom 20 percent pay up to six times as much of their income in taxes as their wealthy counterparts. Washington State is the most regressive, followed by Florida, South Dakota, Illinois, Texas, Tennessee, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Indiana, and Alabama.

• Five of the ten most regressive states derive roughly half to two thirds of their tax revenue from sales and excise taxes, compared to a national average of roughly one third. Five of these ten most regressive states
do not levy a broad-based personal income tax (four do not have any taxes on personal income and one state only applies its personal income tax to interest and dividends) while the other five have a personal
income tax rate that is flat or virtually flat.

• Of the three broad kinds of taxes states levy (income, property, consumption), the income tax is the only one that is typically progressive in that its rate rises with income levels. Property taxes are usually somewhat regressive. Sales and excise taxes are the most regressive, with poor families paying eight times more of their income in these taxes than wealthy families, and middle income families paying five times more.

• Personal income taxes vary in their fairness not only because of rates but because of deductions and exemptions. For example, the Earned Income Tax Credit improves progressivity in 24 states and the District of Columbia, while nine states undermine progressivity by allowing taxpayers a reduced rate on
capital gains income.

Who Pays? A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States, 4th Edition

• States’ consumption tax structures are highly regressive with an average 7 percent rate for the poor, a 4.6 percent rate for middle incomes, and a 0.9 percent rate for the wealthiest taxpayers. Because food is one of the largest expenses for a low-income family, taxing food is a particularly regressive tax policy; five of the ten most regressive states tax food at the state or local level. Excise taxes on things like gasoline, cigarettes or beer take about 1.6 percent of the income of the poorest families, 0.8 percent from middle income families and 0.1 percent of income from the most well-off.

• Taxes on personal and business property are a significant revenue source for both states and localities and are generally regressive in their overall effect, particularly for middle income households. A homestead
exemption (exempting a flat dollar or percentage amount of property value from a property tax) improves progressivity. A property tax circuit breaker that caps the amount a property owner pays in property taxes can also improve progressivity; none of the ten most regressive states offer this tax break for low-income families regardless of age.

• States commended as “low tax” are often high tax states for low- and middle-income families. The ten states with the highest taxes on the poor are Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, and Washington. Seven of them are also among the “terrible ten” because they are not only high tax for the poorest, but low tax for the wealthiest.
 

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Let's just cancel peoples' welfare benefits if their kids fail at school. That'll fix our problems.

They're falling for the Okey Doke.

This tactic is as old as time breh.

Look at this Taibbi article from last year:

The Real Housewives of Wall Street | Politics News | Rolling Stone


Government gave the wives of two Morgan Stanley executives $220 Million and no one knows where most of it is.

"Bu-bu-bu-but the poor people are stealing $185 a month in Tennessee."

What a disgrace.
 

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They're falling for the Okey Doke.

This tactic is as old as time breh.

Look at this Taibbi article from last year:

The Real Housewives of Wall Street | Politics News | Rolling Stone


Government gave the wives of two Morgan Stanley executives $220 Million and no one knows where most of it is.

"Bu-bu-bu-but the poor people are stealing $185 a month in Tennessee."

What a disgrace.
IF you think that convo has anything to do with $185 a month you've missed the boat.

Keep giving them something for nothing and let's see how that benefits them long term.
 

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IF you think that convo has anything to do with $185 a month you've missed the boat.

Keep giving them something for nothing and let's see how that benefits them long term.

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Keep giving who something for nothing? Those two conversations are intimately connected.
 

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Keep giving who something for nothing? Those two conversations are intimately connected.

Keep giving ANYONE anything for nothing. It's contrary to reality. It is inherently flawed, particularly when you're doing it over generations that create more recipients. It's an exponential problem and we're only in 2 or 3 levels right now. It's not sustainable, it's damaging and it's dangerous. It's not even a color thing either.

Rich people stealing money is also an issue.

Expectations go a long way in humans. When you expect nothing you typically get nothing. As a society we've stopped expecting much of "the poor", we've also done this to the rich. You clearly see the problem with the rich but not the poor.

Both problems exist, both need to be addressed.
 

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Keep giving ANYONE anything for nothing. It's contrary to reality. It is inherently flawed, particularly when you're doing it over generations that create more recipients. It's an exponential problem and we're only in 2 or 3 levels right now. It's not sustainable, it's damaging and it's dangerous. It's not even a color thing either.

Rich people stealing money is also an issue.

Expectations go a long way in humans. When you expect nothing you typically get nothing. As a society we've stopped expecting much of "the poor", we've also done this to the rich. You clearly see the problem with the rich but not the poor.

Both problems exist, both need to be addressed.
you don't take care of the poverty problem then those people in poverty will become YOUR problem. The rich are all living in gated communities with their own private police force.

drops in a fukking ocean compared to what the wealthy are getting away with.
 

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Keep giving ANYONE anything for nothing. It's contrary to reality. It is inherently flawed, particularly when you're doing it over generations that create more recipients. It's an exponential problem and we're only in 2 or 3 levels right now. It's not sustainable, it's damaging and it's dangerous. It's not even a color thing either.

Rich people stealing money is also an issue.

Expectations go a long way in humans. When you expect nothing you typically get nothing. As a society we've stopped expecting much of "the poor", we've also done this to the rich. You clearly see the problem with the rich but not the poor.

Both problems exist, both need to be addressed.


There is an absolute problem with Generational Welfare in this country. I never denied that, but we need a safety net in place to help poor people, without stipulations.

Why does it work in countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. Hell, it even works in places like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE. They have much more expansive welfare coverage. Why doesn't generational welfare happen in those countries?

Mentality. People should have the personal responsibility and self-drive to bounce back. It doesn't mean the system is broken. It works perfectly fine in those countries I listed.
 

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Keep giving ANYONE anything for nothing. It's contrary to reality. It is inherently flawed, particularly when you're doing it over generations that create more recipients. It's an exponential problem and we're only in 2 or 3 levels right now. It's not sustainable, it's damaging and it's dangerous. It's not even a color thing either.

Rich people stealing money is also an issue.

Expectations go a long way in humans. When you expect nothing you typically get nothing. As a society we've stopped expecting much of "the poor", we've also done this to the rich. You clearly see the problem with the rich but not the poor.

Both problems exist, both need to be addressed.

Perhaps, but where are your priorities? Very few people are stealing welfare, and those that do have a minor effect on society. Banks and big business, on the other hand, have made stealing "welfare" their standard modus operandi, and they're affecting society in a very profound and significant way.
 

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Perhaps, but where are your priorities? Very few people are stealing welfare, and those that do have a minor effect on society. Banks and big business, on the other hand, have made stealing "welfare" their standard modus operandi, and they're affecting society in a very profound and significant way.

They don't hear you though.

This is just typical Reagan/Lee Atwater "welfare queens" bullshyt, meant to get the middle class mad at the poor while they are being robbed from the "job creators".

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There is an absolute problem with Generational Welfare in this country. I never denied that, but we need a safety net in place to help poor people, without stipulations.

Why does it work in countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. Hell, it even works in places like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE. They have much more expansive welfare coverage. Why doesn't generational welfare happen in those countries?

Mentality. People should have the personal responsibility and self-drive to bounce back. It doesn't mean the system is broken. It works perfectly fine in those countries I listed.

That's why i said expectations need to be had. The issue is a cultural one, not a monetary one. We've created a culture of dependence, and by we I mean our society.
 

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So this is because of sales taxes? How are poor people consuming more items that happen to fall under sales tax? Also the majority of state personal income taxes are progressive. Could the rates be distorted because many of them dont get salaries but are taxed through capital gains if they sell their shares at a gain.

From what im reading this study doesnt factor national taxes which will more than make up the state deficit in rates.

And anyone making under 20grand tax return time is Christmas for them

Most likely a biased study with the intent to get the result that fits their agenda
 

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So this is because of sales taxes? How are poor people consuming more items that happen to fall under sales tax?

It's not a matter of them consuming more items that happen to fall under sales tax..it's the fact that they have less money overall and spent a higher percentage of it paying sales tax.

For example, let's say a rich person (that makes $10k/mo) and a poor person (that makes $2k/mo) both pay $100/mo in consumption taxes. The poor person is spending 5% of their income on this, while the rich one is spending 1% of their income on it. Even if the rich person buys more, they still will probably end up spending a smaller proportion of income on consumption taxes.

Can't be that hard to understand that...

Also the majority of state personal income taxes are progressive.

Nobody is disputing that.

And anyone making under 20grand tax return time is Christmas for them

Sure, if you have kids. Otherwise this is :duck: .
 

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There is an absolute problem with Generational Welfare in this country. I never denied that, but we need a safety net in place to help poor people, without stipulations.

Why does it work in countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. Hell, it even works in places like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE. They have much more expansive welfare coverage. Why doesn't generational welfare happen in those countries?

Mentality. People should have the personal responsibility and self-drive to bounce back. It doesn't mean the system is broken. It works perfectly fine in those countries I listed.

There is a problem with generational welfare, but to think cutting off benefits is the solution or the fact they receive welfare is the problem is ignorance
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