Street Profits want out of WWE?

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Get the entire fukk out of here. Jericho and Malenko was great wrestling, but you can't convince me or anyone else that it was competing with anything during the attitude era. You just want to keep arguing because you have nothing else to do, and you not realizing that 98 was the start of the downfall of WCW shows that you don't know what you're talking about. If it wasn't for Goldberg they would've died quicker.
Their feud isn't all time great because of the wrestling, it's because of the story it told. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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Their feud isn't all time great because of the wrestling, it's because of the story it told. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Ok bruh you win, WCW was doing great in 1998 and the WWF wasn't taking away viewers and causing them to panic relying heavily on Goldberg. Jericho and Malenko had the entire wrestling world and the mainstream media captivated with their amazing storytelling. In fact Nitro went to 3 hours because people just couldn't get enough of WCW's cruiserweight division. Now that I think about it the Hogan/Warrior feud shytted on anything Vince and Stone Cold were doing:ohhh:
 

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98 was definitely the beginning of the end for WCW.

In fact you could even argue it was Starrcade 97, but the product in 98 took a serious nose dive.

Yes there was still good stuff....Goldberg, heel Jericho, the cruiserweights, a couple more things, but there was a lot of trash booking and Nitro's became a chore to watch compared to Raw. Bischoff was out there doing lame ass 30 minute talk show segments and feuding with Jay Leno :scust:. NWO was stale as fukk....Wolfpack was always corny to me. Luger and Sting in the NWO was :what: and don't get me started with how the misused Bret.

The real impact wasn't felt until 99, but please believe they already started alienating their fanbase from 98 and by early 99 it was a wrap.
 

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Ok bruh you win, WCW was doing great in 1998 and the WWF wasn't taking away viewers and causing them to panic relying heavily on Goldberg. Jericho and Malenko had the entire wrestling world and the mainstream media captivated with their amazing storytelling. In fact Nitro went to 3 hours because people just couldn't get enough of WCW's cruiserweight division. Now that I think about it the Hogan/Warrior feud shytted on anything Vince and Stone Cold were doing:ohhh:


they didn't rely on Goldberg. they really didnt rely on anyone. goldberg was just a sure-fire superstar and they pushed him accordingly.
if anything, the WWE are the ones that rely on Goldberg when they bring him in out of desperation. and hes a WCW guy.

if nitro was doing as badly as youre trying to make it seem, then why would they expand nitro to 3 hours AND debut Thursday night thunder?
when your ship is sinking, you don't get awarded with an additional 3 hours of primetime exposure every week.
and they still had wcw Saturday night.


98 was definitely the beginning of the end for WCW.

In fact you could even argue it was Starrcade 97, but the product in 98 took a serious nose dive.

Yes there was still good stuff....Goldberg, heel Jericho, the cruiserweights, a couple more things, but there was a lot of trash booking and Nitro's became a chore to watch compared to Raw. Bischoff was out there doing lame ass 30 minute talk show segments and feuding with Jay Leno NWO was stale as fukk....Wolfpack was always corny to me. Luger and Sting in the NWO was and don't get me started with how the misused Bret.

The real impact wasn't felt until 99, but please believe they already started alienating their fanbase from 98 and by early 99 it was a wrap.


the wolfpack was super-over. they were pretty much the most over "face" stable ever.

they didn't misuse bret hart at all. they gave him all the opportunities needed. i like bret but people just need to come to grips with the fact that he was a big fish in a small pond when he was dominating the WWF. he didn't have the marquee name, the mic skills or the box office presence to shine amongst the top guys in WCW. then add the fact that he just simply wasn't over like that with the WCW audience. it also didn't help that his claim to fame in the WWF was having the best matches most nights. that wasn't gonna happen in WCW where the workrate was way way higher. so he didn't even standout when it came to the in-ring aspect.

'98 WCW was good money until the last couple months. WCW didn't really hit the wall until Halloween havoc '98. most disappointing show ever, and its like they didn't even try to make up for it. then it didn't help that the WWF put the belt on the rock a month later. so now you have a rock/Austin combo basically being the new Hogan/warrior, literally right after WCW's Hogan/warrior laid an egg. it was a wrap from there.
 
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they didn't rely on Goldberg. they really didnt rely on anyone. goldberg was just a sure-fire superstar and they pushed him accordingly.
if anything, the WWE are the ones that rely on Goldberg when they bring him in out of desperation. and hes a WCW guy.

if nitro was doing as badly as youre trying to make it seem, then why would they expand nitro to 3 hours AND debut Thursday night thunder?
when your ship is sinking, you don't get awarded with an additional 3 hours of primetime exposure every week.
and they still had wcw Saturday night.




the wolfpack was super-over. they were pretty much the most over "face" stable ever.

they didn't misuse bret hart at all. they gave him all the opportunities needed. i like bret but people just need to come to grips with the fact that he was a big fish in a small pond when he was dominating the WWF. he didn't have the marquee name, the mic skills or the box office presence to shine amongst the top guys in WCW. then add the fact that he just simply wasn't over like that with the WCW audience. it also didn't help that his claim to fame in the WWF was having the best matches most nights. that wasn't gonna happen in WCW where the workrate was way way higher. so he didn't even standout when it came to the in-ring aspect.

'98 WCW was good money until the last couple months. WCW didn't really hit the wall until Halloween havoc '98. most disappointing show ever, and its like they didn't even try to make up for it. then it didn't help that the WWF put the belt on the rock a month later. so now you have a rock/Austin combo basically being the new Hogan/warrior, literally right after WCW's Hogan/warrior laid an egg. it was a wrap from there.
Expanding to 3 hours is what hurt Nitro, and giving them an additional show didn't help at all since Thunder was seen as an afterthought. You saying they didn't rely on Goldberg is false, because his streak was the only compelling thing they had to compete with RAW. As far as the Wolfpac being the most over babyface group ever DX in 98 was untouchable in ratings and merchandise. Wolfpac was popular but DX was killing it as a stable.
 

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Expanding to 3 hours is what hurt Nitro, and giving them an additional show didn't help at all since Thunder was seen as an afterthought. You saying they didn't rely on Goldberg is false, because his streak was the only compelling thing they had to compete with RAW. As far as the Wolfpac being the most over babyface group ever DX in 98 was untouchable in ratings and merchandise. Wolfpac was popular but DX was killing it as a stable.


I never claimed that expanding helped their product. in fact, its one of the reasons why I eventually lost interest. I hated that idea from jump.
im saying that a so-called dying product doesn't get to expand and take over more primetime television slots.
yall in here claiming wcw was dying in '98, when in reality, that's the year that they hit their apex as a company.

DX had cool merchandise. they weren't untouchable in ratings. LOL. nor were they really taken seriously. they were nostalgic kid chit, if we're being real.

the bolded is YOUR OPINION. and you really didn't even watch WCW like that in order to formulate such an opinion.
 

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Whoooaaaaa.....to say WCW didn’t misuse Bret Hart is nuts. Bret was WHITE HOT coming off the Montreal Screwjob and what does WCW do at their biggest PPV? NOTHING. No match, no feud. Just run in and make the 1-2-3 count.


the montreal screwjob was moreso big in WWF lure.
different world. different fanbase.

WCW fans didn't care. they never even really popped for bret hart like that. even when he made his first big appearances in WCW, his pops were lukewarm.
they also used to side with the heels he was feuding with. bret got exposed in WCW, if we're gonna keep it 100. but people love their WWF nostalgic pieces.

also WCW didn't have a biggest PPV. starrcade was the grand-daddy event, before wrestlemania and all these other shows existed. but WCW used to put heavy stock into almost all of their ppvs, instead of putting all their eggs in one basket. usually the most stacked cards in that era were "bash at the beach" & "Halloween havoc"
 

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they didn't rely on Goldberg. they really didnt rely on anyone. goldberg was just a sure-fire superstar and they pushed him accordingly.
if anything, the WWE are the ones that rely on Goldberg when they bring him in out of desperation. and hes a WCW guy.

if nitro was doing as badly as youre trying to make it seem, then why would they expand nitro to 3 hours AND debut Thursday night thunder?
when your ship is sinking, you don't get awarded with an additional 3 hours of primetime exposure every week.
and they still had wcw Saturday night.




the wolfpack was super-over. they were pretty much the most over "face" stable ever.

they didn't misuse bret hart at all. they gave him all the opportunities needed. i like bret but people just need to come to grips with the fact that he was a big fish in a small pond when he was dominating the WWF. he didn't have the marquee name, the mic skills or the box office presence to shine amongst the top guys in WCW. then add the fact that he just simply wasn't over like that with the WCW audience. it also didn't help that his claim to fame in the WWF was having the best matches most nights. that wasn't gonna happen in WCW where the workrate was way way higher. so he didn't even standout when it came to the in-ring aspect.

'98 WCW was good money until the last couple months. WCW didn't really hit the wall until Halloween havoc '98. most disappointing show ever, and its like they didn't even try to make up for it. then it didn't help that the WWF put the belt on the rock a month later. so now you have a rock/Austin combo basically being the new Hogan/warrior, literally right after WCW's Hogan/warrior laid an egg. it was a wrap from there.


This is all true with the slight exception that they didn't give Bret's character a clear direction for the bulk of his time there, had him turn constantly and ultimately turned him to an NWO lackey.
 

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Y'all really turned a thread about the Street Profits into a debate about WCW in 1998. I fukking love this site.
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TSC is famous for this type of activity.
 

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This is all true with the slight exception that they didn't give Bret's character a clear direction for the bulk of his time there, had him turn constantly and ultimately turned him to an NWO lackey.


yea but a lot of people were bouncing back-n-forth between heel & face in WCW during that time period.

darn near all the major names were in the NWO at one point as well.

why does bret hart have to be an exception? he just didn't have the juice.

they hyped up his debut appearances & debut matches. crowd just wasn't into him.
gave him the world title(I think multiple times)…..still nothing.


Y'all really turned a thread about the Street Profits into a debate about WCW in 1998. I fukking love this site.
:bryan:


but it came back around full circle via the bret hart debate.

further proof that the grass isn't always greener on the other side and it might be too crowded for you over there.

same thing with the street profits thinking they got enough juice to hang in AEW's tag division.:laugh: they better stay where theyre at.
 
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