Stimulus & Bailout Watch Thread

[Red Shield]

I wonder if their looking at this shyt like

gotta be becoming increasingly obvious what's coming in 2022 and 2024.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Why even have Republicans? Democrats can fukk over and sabotage shyt all by themselves.

 

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Poll: Americans are more interested in getting stimulus than in seeing bipartisanship support for bill

WASHINGTON – Americans would rather have stimulus checks in hand quickly than see bipartisan support for President Joe Biden's COVID-19 legislation, according to a new poll from Monmouth University.
More than two-thirds of Americans (68%) said that $1,400 stimulus checks should remain in the stimulus package even if it meant the bill had no support from the opposite party. Democrats have proposed a $1.9 trillion relief package that includes $1,400 stimulus checks; some Republicans have complained that that amount for checks, and the total cost of the bill, are too large.

However, 53% of Republicans polled, agreed that $1,400 direct payments should be left untouched in the bill. About two-thirds (65%) of independents and 85% of Democrats agreed.

Overall, 53% of Americans said $1,400 checks to the public are about the correct amount; 28% of the public would like to see larger payments issued, while 14% think the amount should be reduced.

Another 53% of Americans support raising the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour, a proposal Democrats initially included in the $1.9 trillion stimulus package but which will now likely be struck due to Senate legislative rules. But 45% of the public are opposed to raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour.

While still above water, President Joe Biden's approval rating dipped to 51% in the poll, which had found 54% of the public supporting his first days in office in January. His disapproval rate has shot up, however, sitting at 42% in the recent poll, up from 30% in January.

“It’s probably not a surprise that Biden’s honeymoon period has closed quickly. He does maintain a net positive rating, but the COVID stimulus package will be the first significant test of how stable that support is,” Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute, said in a news release.

Congress's approval rating also dipped from 35% in January to 30% at the beginning of March.

Republicans critical of the stimulus bill have claimed that the proposal would disproportionately aid Democratic-leaning states and claimed the bill would have some effect on when states and local governments could reopen their economies. According to Monmouth, the public is not receptive to the claims; 53% of Americans do not believe that the stimulus package will have any effect on when states reopen.

The poll also surveyed public opinion on another economic proposal in the news: student debt relief. While the upcoming stimulus package does not include a provision that would cancel student debt, the poll found that 61% of Americans support canceling up to $10,000 in college debt for anyone with outstanding federal loans. Thirty-seven percent opposed such a measure.

The poll surveyed 802 adults nationally and was conducted from Feb. 25 to March 1. The poll has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

There was no reason to even capitulate to these centrist Dems because what leverage do they even have?

Lowering the phase out threshold screws over the whole party, and if Biden refuses what are they gonna do? Vote no on the whole package?

 

[South Paw]

There was no reason to even capitulate to these centrist Dems because what leverage do they even have?

Lowering the phase out threshold screws over the whole party, and if Biden refuses what are they gonna do? Vote no on the whole package?

shyt makes no sense especially in this climate

All these politicians really hate the middle and lower class

 

[CrimsonTider]

is this figure that only 9 percent of the bill is covid relief actually true?

tell me thats just fox news lying about it

Not only is it a lie, it’s a very weird angle to take up as opposition to the bill

 

[the cac mamba]

Not only is it a lie, it’s a very weird angle to take up as opposition to the bill

why its stuffed with bullshyt ass spending that isnt paid for. thats blatantly obvious

its an incredibly easy angle for the opposition. its why theyre forcing them to read the whole thing out loud. just wait til the soundbites hit twitter

 

[Peter Parker]

There was no reason to even capitulate to these centrist Dems because what leverage do they even have?

Lowering the phase out threshold screws over the whole party, and if Biden refuses what are they gonna do? Vote no on the whole package?

I really wouldn't put it past Manchin to do some bullshyt like vote no on the whole package

 

[CrimsonTider]

why its stuffed with bullshyt ass spending that isnt paid for. thats blatantly obvious

its an incredibly easy angle for the opposition. its why theyre forcing them to read the whole thing out loud. just wait til the soundbites hit twitter

Most of the money is directly or indirectly going to the citizen

criticizing a bill because it isn’t spending enough on Covid when you have been downplaying Covid to your viewers Is lunacy

 

[ThisIsLife]

I'm done with this stage play the government is constantly putting on for America. fukking with the emotions of those who truly need help, it's sickening.

This whole system needs to be broken down.

 

[the cac mamba]

Most of the money is directly or indirectly going to the citizen

criticizing a bill because it isn’t spending enough on Covid when you have been downplaying Covid to your viewers Is lunacy

going to bureaucrats =/= going to citizens. if it was going to citizens wed all be getting a check for 10 grand

lets not play dumb about the dems exploiting a one time chance to force a reconciliation bill through

 

[AquaCityBoy]

I really wouldn't put it past Manchin to do some bullshyt like vote no on the whole package

I don't think so. His own Republican governor already said he supports a big stimulus.

Manchin can pull that with the minimum wage but he won't do that for the whole package.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

 

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Senate Republicans are leaning on Lisa Murkowski to reject President Joe Biden’s $1.9 trillion pandemic relief plan, hoping they can get unanimous GOP opposition and prevent Democrats from claiming the bill is bipartisan.

Most in the GOP think that the senator will ultimately side with them. In particular, they expect Murkowski to vote no on the first procedural vote on the measure, expected later Thursday. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has said, both publicly and privately, that he wants a united GOP casting 50 "no" votes.

Asked about the Alaskan on Thursday, Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), the No. 3 GOP leader, dug out a paper clipping of a Washington Post story about Murkowski.

“Sen. McConnell has been very clear on that, for all Republicans. The goal is to present a united front against this massive spending bill,” Barrasso said. “It’s my hope that every Republican would vote no at a time we’re in a 50-50 Senate.”

Murkowski is unique, however, and so is her home of Alaska. The state is suffering economically, the pandemic has exacerbated the state’s woes, and she's complained repeatedly that Biden’s less fossil fuel-friendly energy policies are hurting Alaskans. Moreover, her state changed its primary system recently to dilute the possibility of a conservative or Trump-inspired challenger, giving her room to legislate from the middle.

The centrist senator has held talks with the Biden administration about her state’s unique situation for several days now. She also cast a committee vote to support Rep. Deb Haaland (D-N.M.) to be Interior secretary on Thursday, even after her party portrayed Haaland’s energy policies as radical and despite some of her own policy reservations about the nomination.

But the $1.9 trillion stimulus bill is a much bigger matter than Haaland. And Murkowski’s approach to it is clearly on GOP leaders’ minds.

"Her vote’s her vote, but I'm hopeful she'll be there. And I think all of our members are going to [oppose the bill] in the end,” said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the No. 2 GOP leader.


Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who is leading opposition to the bill, said he has his "fingers crossed" that Murkowski joins the opposition. Technically Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) is also not a hard no, although she is unlikely to support the bill.

Murkowski called herself “listening Lisa” on Wednesday, admitting she was torn over what to do about the Covid legislation and talking to members in both parties. The moderate Republican is frustrated that Democrats have ignored bipartisan entreaties and written a bill that isn’t more narrowly focused on coronavirus relief spending.

Yet Murkowski also has acknowledged that her state is in a perilous situation that complicates the straightforward partisan calculus involved in opposing the massive recovery measure. She said she wants Democrats to make the case for why the bill is good for Alaska and clearly wants some changes to the legislation.

“I've been working with people to try to make what many of us consider a bill that has way too much excess. [I’m] trying to make it better,” Murkowski said.

The Alaska senator can be tough to read and even harder to predict. She voted against repealing Obamacare, opposed Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation and supported Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett — even as she railed against the process used to confirm Barrett.

Neera Tanden and the Biden administration lobbied Murkowski hard on her vote as Tanden fought to become Biden's budget chief, a nomination that was pulled earlier this week. Much of their discussions centered on Alaska.

But in comparison to previous moments of uncertainty about Murkowski, Republicans are nudging her more directly to stay in their corner on the coronavirus bill.

“I hope that she would. Obviously, it’s a pretty toxic bill,” said Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.). “Alaska’s definitely a unique state, to say the least. But it is still part of a $2 trillion consequence, long-term, for the whole country.”

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“We all look at our own states. And none of us begrudge the fact that she will look at that. We are hopeful that she will decide the amount of bad in the bill is enough to where she will decide it’s not appropriate to support it,” said Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.).

The Biden administration’s rejection of 10 GOP senators’ entreaties for an aisle-crossing negotiation “has a part to play in this," Rounds added.

But so too does local politics. Murkowski is up for reelection in 2022, and she is keen on standing up for the interests of her state. She told Capitol reporters on Wednesday that she wants to be shown how "this huge $1.9 trillion proposal, how this helps a state like Alaska.”

“My state needs relief. If Congress is going to move this much money out the door, how am I going to make sure that states like Alaska … get access to those rescue dollars?” she asked.

 

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