Stephen A Smith suggest that NBA rating are down because players don't hate each other. Is there any truth to that?

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It’s the fights

Players are not fighting on the court

No one trying to get suspended and loose money

It’s not really and tech’s at all


It’s nothing to really talk about it’s not a villain in the NBA

Media training killed that edge


Also sas kept saying one persons name over and over in that segment



Once he gone it will go back to what they want
 

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Cleveland should be a household name and must see TV for sports audiences.
 

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Teams also had playing styles in the past.

Whether it was fast breaking, or plodding, or whatever.

Now all the styles seem to be the same. Spamming 3s
 
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It’s cause there’s no narrative driving the story

Like CBS used to do



Andrew Wiggins’ late father in that intro :damn:

I don't know if those narratives can exist anymore.

We know far too much behind closed doors, where there's no mystique around players/teams (in real time) where we can build any sense of anticipation. A lot of that too is down to the fact fact we're adults now and stories are for children, especially if posters are older than the players today.

How can you get them to buy into a story when they don't look up to these players anymore, both figuratively and literally (adult-to-adult)?

I've seen a lot of posters talk about how players are too friendly now and that they don't hate each other, when that couldn't be further from reality.

Cats like Gobert and Dray hate each other arguably more than 99.9999999% of any player rivalry back in the day. In fact, ever since the pandemic, it's been Gobert vs. The NBA (which has spawned many a player to target him). The Knicks/Pacers rivalry was renewed, even having Haliburton and Brunson square off in the WWE (which would've been a huge storyline back in the 90s during the Attitude era). We had Bron vs. Brooks. We had KAT vs Jimmy. We had Dray vs Poole. We had Giannis vs Jaylen. We had Luka vs. Booker.

Yet folks don't seem to pay these any mind, which tells you that they don't want to buy into these rivalries in the first place. It doesn't interest them.

What pushes this further into the background is, there's endless channels of entertainment now, and NBA storylines just can't compete. It was different back in the day when sports was essentially the only entertainment. Now the NBA has to compete with social media, video games, influencers and now in recent years - political discourse. The oversaturation of entertainment has desensitized us where we can no longer be captivated (much less care) by something as trivial as basketball storylines.

The moment a game ends, our focus shifts to the infinite amount of stories going on around the world, that we have all at a press of a button and scroll of a thumb.

Back in the day, you turn the TV off and the game is still ingrained in your thoughts. There was nothing to pull you away other than your imagination.

And then you have the other fold to this -

Ring culture.

Nobody gives a fukk about team rivalries, or players hating one another or anything else that is considered a subplot. It's all about the end game and not the journey. Let's just put this hypothetical out there - say the Lakers and Kings had a rivalry amongst themselves, where they had back-and-forth battles over recent years and the players hated one another, with a passion, and the NBA even marketed it as that.

Do we think Lakers fans would care about that? Or would they only care about trying to win another championship? Focusing on their own fictives like when is Bron going to leave, when is JJ Reddikk going to prove himself as a coach, when is AD going to turn the franchise around, when is Dlo going to be traded etc. All things that allow them to fast-forward to when they're winning again. Focusing on a team rivalry doesn't do that.

You can't get folks to buy storylines, personalities or playing styles, if they're already made it known they have no incentive or desire to anymore.
 
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Can we stop perpetuating this myth that the viewership is down for the NBA? It's not down. Point. Blank. Period.

The NBA is still one of the most watched leagues, in this country and all around the globe. The percentage of people in this country who're fans of the NBA has increased since 2019. The NBA is the most followed sports league online in the entire world. The NBA has set attendance records overs the last two seasons.

The TV ratings in the U.S. are down.

And the main reason for why the TV ratings are down are because -

“Currently, Cable TV subscriptions are in just 68.7 million households in the United States. That’s a decline of 34.57% compared to 105 million cable TV subscribers recorded in 2010.”
That excuse doesn’t work considering sports was said to be immune from that compared to other forms of internet.

It’s why they’ve been able to ask for more bread compared to everybody else. Using that as an excuse goes against that narrative and makes them like everyone else.
 

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So the NBA is still exciting to watch from with the athletes at the level they are and even some nights with the 3 point barrages. But something is definitely missing.

I just watched the USC vs UCONN women’s game and that was about as entertaining as any NBA game I watched this year. All love to women’s bball I love to see how the sport is growing but no way a women’s college bball game should be as entertaining as an NBA game
 
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That excuse doesn’t work considering sports was said to be immune from that compared to other forms of internet.

It’s why they’ve been able to ask for more bread compared to everybody else. Using that as an excuse goes against that narrative and makes them like everyone else.
Excuse?

It's not an excuse.

It's stating a fact.

The $77b media rights deal, by in large, doesn't have anything to do with TV ratings (or lack thereof).

"I would just say, to say it directly, ratings are down a bit at the beginning of the season, but cable television viewership is down double digits so far this year versus last year," Silver said. "We're almost at the inflection point where people are watching more programming on streaming than they are in traditional television. And it's a reason why for our new television deals, which we're entering into next year, every game is going to be available on a streaming service."

Straight from the horse's mouth.
 

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Excuse?

It's not an excuse.


It's stating a fact.

The $77b media rights deal, by in large, doesn't have anything to do with TV ratings (or lack thereof).

"I would just say, to say it directly, ratings are down a bit at the beginning of the season, but cable television viewership is down double digits so far this year versus last year," Silver said. "We're almost at the inflection point where people are watching more programming on streaming than they are in traditional television. And it's a reason why for our new television deals, which we're entering into next year, every game is going to be available on a streaming service."

Straight from the horse's mouth.
It is an excuse because it's been said many times before that sports was supposed to be immune from cord cutters unless you'd like to pretend that the conversations weren't there?
 

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Want to know how to start rivalries? Allow players to taunt again. Giving folks technicals everytime they show emotion is so p*ssy. Allow players to talk their shyt and watch how more competitive the game gets:pacspit:
 

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I just read some other thread blaming inside the nba tnt how they whine about the product. But other media channels are doing the same.

What ratings? Basketball is the most popular its ever been worldwide. What do you think other nations are watching? Their local gym basketball games?

NBA games have become the easiest to access they have ever been all over the world. An ongoing process since the 90s when began signing more international players.

Some more rivalries would be great, but for that to happen they need to meet in the playoffs. For example if Knicks and Boston stay strong for few more years and they happen to meet in the playoffs, you'll get yourself a rivalry.
 
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It is an excuse because it's been said many times before that sports was supposed to be immune from cord cutters unless you'd like to pretend that the conversations weren't there?
I don't really care for whatever conversations you've heard. They're inconsequential. Why do you think that's even a relevant talking point?

Nobody can project for everything that's going to happen in the future.

We're dealing with reality as it is right now.

If the NBA ever thought that and even admitted to thinking that, they were either foolish or they were mitigating any potential narrative that could be run against the league. But again, I'm not sure why your focus is what sports were supposed to be immune to, instead of just taking it for what it is now.
 
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