Steph being an all time bricklayer in the clutch needs to be discussed.

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I hate that stat because Curry has at least 5 shots under 50 seconds that tied the game which should be defined as clutch too but they want to cherry pick to make Steph look worse. Within the first four minutes of this video you can see at least four of em. He also has numerous hits with the Warriors up 1 or 2 to close out games.






This one is to take the league at like 55 seconds which is why they narrowed it to 50 seconds.


Facts, watching Kobe for years I always viewed “clutch” as scoring the crucial baskets/making plays on the back end of the 4th quarter. You could be down 7 and have a player go on a crazy run to tie the game and eventually win it.

Clutch isn’t just about the last shots of a game.
 
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Steph is the only superstar that doesn't live on the FT line.


Steph averages 4.7 to 6.3 fts/game the last five seasons
Bron averages 5.6 to 6.0 fts/game the last five seasons

They're virtually identical. Which is wild because Bron goes into the hole and gets hit about 5x more than Steph does.


Edit: Jokic in their same range, 5.5 to 6.3 fts/game in his four superstar-level seasons. Though he's taking fewer shots a game than the other two, so he averages more FTs per shot.
 
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for as much gravity as he has and as good as a finisher he is thats the issue with being a small guard, you cant just get him the ball in the mid post like other greats. beyond that the main issue with steph and transfers over to clutch situations is steph turns the ball over too much either through being careless or trying to do too much.

good defense by murray of hedging and baiting on the steal last night which imo most defenders wouldnt do in that situation. at the same time its a bad decision by steph of trying to do too much instead of making the simple play. pass it to cp3 then trust him to make the right decision. that and trying to force that pass gave the nuggets a chance to win the game that they may have not had if he forced the 3 or swung the ball like he should have. absolute worst case scenario should have been the nuggets getting the ball with less than a second left.
 
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for as much gravity as he has and as good as a finisher he is thats the issue with being a small guard, you cant just get him the ball in the mid post like other greats. beyond that the main issue with steph and transfers over to clutch situations is steph turns the ball over too much either through being careless or trying to do too much. good defense by murray of hedging and baiting on the steal last night which imo most defenders wouldnt do in that situation but at the same time its a bad decision by steph of trying to do too much instead of making the simple play of passing it to cp3 then trusting him to make the right decision. that and trying to force that pass gave the nuggets a chance to win the game that they may have not had if he forced the 3 or swung the ball like he should have. absolute worst case scenario should have been the nuggets getting the ball with less than a second left.
Use paragraphs breh but other than that I agree
 

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Steph averages 4.7 to 6.3 fts/game the last five seasons
Bron averages 5.6 to 6.0 fts/game the last five seasons

They're virtually identical. Which is wild because Bron goes into the hole and gets hit about 5x more than Steph does.

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Curry
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In his career, Curry has 4 seasons with a free throw rate above league average. One is this year, in 32 games. Another is 2020 when he played 5 games. :comeon: He gets to the line at a rate 8% below the league average in his career.

LeBron
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Bron Bron has never once gotten to the line at a below average rate. 36% above the league average for his career including 19% above average as a Laker.

In their 15th years, LeBron had a 133 FTR+ to Curry's current 121. Of course, Curry only playing 5 games in 2020 effectively makes this year his 14th. LeBron was at a 146 FTR+ in year 14. After a down year and at his :old: age, he's back to getting to the line at a well above average rate, which some may call "living on the line" while Curry has an outlier year.
 

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Curry
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In his career, Curry has 4 seasons with a free throw rate above league average. One is this year, in 32 games. Another is 2020 when he played 5 games. :comeon: He gets to the line at a rate 8% below the league average in his career.

LeBron
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Bron Bron has never once gotten to the line at a below average rate. 36% above the league average for his career including 19% above average as a Laker.

In their 15th years, LeBron had a 133 FTR+ to Curry's current 121. Of course, Curry only playing 5 games in 2020 effectively makes this year his 14th. LeBron was at a 146 FTR+ in year 14. After a down year and at his :old: age, he's back to getting to the line at a well above average rate, which some may call "living on the line" while Curry has an outlier year.


Since they're literally playing side-by-side in the NBA right now, why are you comparing across different eras, when calls were different and when playstyle was wildly different, rather than comparing in the same years right now with the same rules and spacing? I was talking about what they're doing now, not what they were doing a decade ago.

Look at the part you highlighted.

112 122
126 117
111 98
101 93
123 121



You seriously want to pretend one of those players is "living at the line" and the other one is not? They're the same fukking numbers. The variance in their own #'s over the last five years is greater than the differences between them. And once again, for them to be that close is fukking wild considering Bron takes waaaaaay more contact every game than Steph does.

Steph takes 55-60% of his shots from three-point range every year, and just 10-15% at the rim. (only 7% this year).
Bron takes 30-35% of his shots from three-point range every year, and 30-40% at the rim (35% this year).


I wasn't even exaggerating - Bron goes to the hole FIVE TIMES as often as Steph does, at least this year. :whoo:


The fact that a superstar taking 35% of his shots at the rim, and taking contact most of those times, is getting the same # of trips to the line as someone who almost never goes to the rim is wild. Almost every time that's ever happened in the past, it involved a shooter who was a known flopper.
 
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