81.5 percent of Iguodala’s scores versus Cleveland were assisted. The nearest defender on all but nine of his 37 made field goals was Mozgov, Thompson or 34-year-old James Jones. - '15 Finals.
He was benefiting on open shots and open floor space when the Cavs were focused on containing Curry and Klay. He basically had his shots handed to him on a silver platter with minimal defensive attention.
The point is he made them and those makes were key to their success. He obviously benefitted from the attention Klay and Steph got, but he still had to knock down shots. See Harrison Barnes
and I'm not giving credit to Curry for Iggy hitting shots.
Without the proper context this is meaningless. It's all about the lineups you play in. Iggy typically played with against second units (more so during the first half of the series) with a mixture of the starters or he played with the best starting lineups. He was an integral part - but not the most important part.
I wasn't using plus/minus as my sole argument, simply pointed out it was one of many areas where his measurable performance was better than Steph.
You can't use ORTGs and DRTGs for players that have two different roles on a team - they're TEAM stats (I don't know how many times this needs to be said).All it measure is how many points per est. 100 possessions the team scores when the player is on the floor. Unless you're the main scorer/ball-handler it's pointless even using ORTGs for individual players Are you seriously going to use him shooting better from the field when he didn't have to deal with all the defensive attention that Curry dealt with? You're smarter than this.
David Lee, Festus Ezeli, Harrison Barnes, Shaun Livingston all had a higher ORTG in the Finals - you gonna argue they had more importance and impact on offense than Curry did too?
Mariesse Speights, David Lee and Leonardo Barbosa all had a higher DRTG in the Finals - you gonna argue that they had more importance and impact ton defense than Iggy did too?
Are you really going to compare guys who barely played to Iggy who had the 3rd most minutes on the team?
Please don't tell me you're being serious.
Better asst to to ratio
Steph's was 1.3 to 1.
While you can certainly nitpick each one of that stats I mentioned when taken one by one, when you look at them as a group the total picture paints a different light. The crux of your argument seems to be that Steph was better because he's better.
This is false. Draymond had as much influence on LeBron by helping out on drives and deterring him away from the paint. Draymond had the most impact and importance on the defensive end - especially during the second half of that series when he anchored the defense; switching on any player and protecting the rim (when Bogut was benched)
Draymond was the last line of defense. Bron couldn't get by Iggy. He was clearly the most important player defensively as evidenced by him torching everybody when Iguadola wasn't on the court.
'Iggy' makes LeBron's shooting iffy
"On shots contested by Iguodala, James is shooting 24 percent from the field. On shots contested by anyone else, James is shooting 41 percent. "
Andre Iguodala: Justifying the Most Valuable Player of the 2015 NBA Finals
Here are James' statistics with Iguodala on bench versus Iguodala on court:
Iguodala on Bench: 44% FG, 82% FT, 47% eFG, +30 +/-, 107.4 offrtg, 88.6 defrtg, +18.8 netrtg
Iguodala on Court: 38% FG, 66% FT, 41% eFG, -55 +/-, 94.1 offrtg, 109.7 defrtg, -15.5 netrtg
Now given that Bron was the Cavs sole player capable of generating any offense for himself or his teammates and his performance was enough to win them 2 games in the series despite the odds against them, you simply cannot underscore the importance of Iguodala's defensive impact guarding him basically full-time while also contributing at an elite level on the offensive end.
Because he carried the biggest offensive workload and was their best scorer by a considerable margin while dealing with the Cavs defense centered around stopping him - while role players (like Iggy) benefited from open shots. I don't know why I need to keep stating this.
He also only had to play one side of the ball. You're also ignoring the Cavs defense was exhausted and consisted of Delladova, brain dead Shump and JR Smith, not exactly Larry Brown's Pistons.
And of course the Warriors also had the 2nd best shooter of all-time in the backourt and a revolutionary system predicated on elite player and ball movement. Certainly Steph was important to that, but not sure who you can single him out as the singular reason for their success, espicailly given the cirumstances of the depleted Cavs team .
Numerous statistics favor Iggy and of the 11 professionals who voted on MVP apparently none felt Steph was more important/valuable. Now sure its possible we're all wrong.
but to act like its not debateable?
