Spotting Bad Faith Arguments (Or: @the cac mamba's Playbook)
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The funny thing is a lot of those fallacies can be just as misapplied to dismiss legitimate arguments. Take #7 for example. Everyone disagreeing with someone doesn't mean everyone's right. They could all just be subscribing to groupthink#13 reinforces this
Why create a strong argument when you can "see what kinds of words/phrases get positive responses versus which ones get negative responses" and cater to the crowd?
It's trying to help YOU avoid bad faith arguments. Both #7 and #13 are really good advice for anyone who has to interact with other people and who wants to be effective and also learn things.
#7 is saying that when multiple people are saying there is something seriously wrong with your argument, it is worthwhile to take their perspective into account. The point didn't even say that means you're "wrong", it just means you should check yourself to make sure that there's not something you're missing, or perhaps a different equally valid perspective.
#13 is just saying you should use language that fits your audience. It doesn't mean you should change your argument, it just means that a conservative coming onto a liberal board is gonna lose if they talk about "those illegals" and a liberal on a conservative board should know they're getting laughed away if they start with, "as a cis-person, I..."
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IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
you're........ asking for ze papers?Receipts.
Revision is crazy here. Dead7 has been posting the same way for more than 10 years. HL got swept up in tbe same bullshyt America did with the both sides stuff.
So dead7 literally was voted in cause he was conservaite and everyone wanted to be "fair"
Dead7 is a libertarian, his solution to everything is cut it. He can't argue or ever argued in good faith cause only stupid people think less rules is better.
So dead7 literally was voted in cause he was conservaite and everyone wanted to be "fair"
Dead7 is a libertarian, his solution to everything is cut it. He can't argue or ever argued in good faith cause only stupid people think less rules is better.
Again in a place like HL where there is clear groupthink it's not unlikely or uncommon for said groupthink to be wrong.
So the mob should disregard any legitimate points made if they aren't made with the codewords and language they approve of. Seems you are an advocate of ideological mob rule
While we're talking about bad faith arguments, and we have the presence of our distinguished ex-mod @DEAD7 , lettuce discuss another bad faith argument tactic:
JAQ-ing Off
In summary, the idea of "just asking questions" is a way to make ridiculous accusations while sidestepping the burden of proof.
It's a way of trying to trick someone into making an inconsistent statement about the validity of questioning a belief, i.e. it makes you look irrational because you're pointing out how ridiculous the question is (in context).
JAQ-ing Off
In summary, the idea of "just asking questions" is a way to make ridiculous accusations while sidestepping the burden of proof.
It's a way of trying to trick someone into making an inconsistent statement about the validity of questioning a belief, i.e. it makes you look irrational because you're pointing out how ridiculous the question is (in context).
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Example:
-The Black Panther: Black people can't get ahead because of historical injustices.
-BADFAITHPOSTER7: Could you please provide some links that prove slavery and Jim Crow are the main contributing factors to economic disparity between Blacks and Whites?
-The Black Panther: Black people can't get ahead because of historical injustices.
-BADFAITHPOSTER7: Could you please provide some links that prove slavery and Jim Crow are the main contributing factors to economic disparity between Blacks and Whites?
"A number of people agreeing" and "groupthink" are not the same thing. There's no significant reason for groupthink in HL - we don't have any social cohesion and the shared values aren't extremely large. You're just using "groupthink" as a lazy way out of explaining being in a minority position. You need to make a better case than that.
No one said anything like that, anywhere. It's like you're trying to demonstrate bad faith arguments yourself right now.
Quote some examples of “ridiculous” questions I’ve asked please. There should be lots to choose from.
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How about the one that got you de-modded, for starters? :bpmjpls:
You edited the post, but I got the original text from responses:
Wait the white nationalist were the victims of the violence?The car was driven into them killing one and injuring several others?
The spin on this should be interesting.
And the resulting copping of pleas:
It was a legit question as to whether cacs were being killed, I have since retracted it, and admitted i was wrong.
I'm trolling the thirst for blood.
Interesting that its considered ban worthy tho... I see much worse almost daily.
I was... wouldnt that make the victim a white supremacist?Ya'll condemning me for that?
Should I find more, or are you done?:mbaku:
I regurgitated a tweet and asked if it was true.
turns out the tweet was right wing bullshyt, and I apologized. That’s what your talking about as bad faith?shyt was a mistake, and I owned the error
You’re reaching... but I get it.
Just say lefties don’t like to be questioned.
I regurgitated a tweet and asked if it was true.
Yes. Exactly.
You asked a trolling question (and yes, you admitted you were trolling) without fact-checking in order to score political points.
You only copped those pleas after you got called out for it.
You did so in bad faith. That is a perfect example of what I mean by "JAQ-ing off".
You admitting fault actually proves my point: you agreed that your question was BS in the first place.
Apologizing doesn't erase your original intent.